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@Inliytened1 Proverbs 27:17 You use steel to sharpen steel, and one friend sharpens another. Tho I understand, I will make an effort.

Maybe if you can strip away the labels and concepts that have been learned to describe the experiences and don't be quick to try find explanations. Quite often the mind will strangle it with those things so much so that we cannot full enjoy them or allow them to teach us as clearly as they potentially can. Not easy for sure but we don't have to chase the mind wherever it goes, let it fly off on it's own and instead keep awareness free to observe the activity in as free a form as it will be. Don't judge or compare your experiences, they are pure and perfect for you as it is.

Oh yea...this will end well.

You know nothing about me.

Ask myself my own name? Um....ok

It's a question....again it seems you like to play the role, do you?

So you play the part of the accuser? Interesting...hm

We can play a part in the story, even enjoy the story or change the script or plot of the story without having to believe the story is all we are. Enlightenment and solipsism are just another story.

@Razard86 It was a little joke which could have been simply laughed at but instead the addiction to drama and story telling is so hard to resist there needs to be another fix. It's just so silly.

If it's just you talking to yourself wouldn't it be you realizing that you are all alone? That's how the solipsism story goes, right? Tough to keep your story straight, huh. The ego is addicted to stories, it's addicted to identity and it does not matter if it's positive or negative, pain or pleasure, true or false just as long as you believe it.

Enlightenment and solipsism are just more stories to replace other stories and they are ruining the movie.

I kind of compare it to having a mystical experience through a substance or a meditative state then after the substance or state wears off it appears as if this 'awakening' went away with it. This is a dynamic of our awareness and the content of awareness. While the induced mystical experience is happening it has our full attention so it's prominence and impact is amplified in our awareness. In everyday life the roles that we fill to navigate the world requires attention to actually fulfill the roles. Now, as we fill the role in every day life after we have had an awakening experience this role usually has strong identity association that will entice us to believe we are that role. When that happens it can limit our conscious experience to a state before awakening. It is a skill that we exercise to be able to keep the awareness of that mystical experience while simultaneously fulfilling the roles of every day life. The skill is in being present fully in the role while being present fully in awakened awareness. The more we exercise that skill the more fully we can fulfill the roles of every day life while we have awakened presence. The highs of the mystical experience is stretching awareness but the lows we exhibit are more indication of our consciousness. So, sure, every day life with the socialization and the struggle for survival can distract us from being presence...if we allow it. On the other hand we can go through every day life with the fulfillment of being presence letting that be expressed in everything we encounter. Just something to consider.

Solipsism is spoiling the movie.

As the personification of our sense of self the ego can be whatever one cultivates it to be instead of the ego compelling us to behave on it's behalf under duress. The ego is only a fraction of the human experience of consciousness but quite often it is the part with the loudest voice and it wants to be the only voice, many allow it.

There is a difference between suffering, the pain that can come in life and self suffering, the misery created by the self from only the imagination. Some might say, well, everything is only experienced through the imagination and yes, while that is the case there are some things that are only imagined. The ego will create distress, a suffering, to justify it's own identity and that is an unnecessary suffering. We can use the information gleaned from the past provided by self conscious through the ego without having to 'self suffer'. The distress the ego is creating it meant to compel us to behave in a way that reinforces the ego's identity system. We can actually cultivate an inner life where the self conscious is not creating distress and misery because of identity while still providing some information for guidance. So there is a distinction between 'suffering' and 'self suffering'.

@Razard86 ok buddy

@Razard86 whatev bro peace

You replied to someone who made a glib comment about the actuality of his enlightened ass. Your first post in the thread you created that I quoted in response was an eloquent elucidation on the topic of long replies to short comments, I suspect that you consider what you wrote wise insight or maybe not. Possibly the only time you addressed a point in our exchange you shrugged off saying your reply was only '15 lines' but it was mostly serious comments to a post that was less than 15 words of mostly humor. So you again had written some succinct wisdom about not taking oneself quite seriously thus I quoted you for it. You have such powerful wisdom that even you don't want any of that smoke. You then wrote stuff like quoted above once again carrying over from previous exchanges with your story telling about what you believe you know about me using the pretext of me carrying some grudge. Yet, I was quoting you in agreement so I guess it's an agreeable grudge? BE grudge? Hah enough psychedelic etymology. Maybe 'be'ing can help anything..anyhow, I root for your well being in whatever way it is. Peace In deference to the thread starter @BipolarGrowth I have submitted two individual posts in your thread at various points one in support and one in challenge of the thread topic. Nothing heard from you in reply even though I welcome the discussion so I just wanted to let you know I'm not trying to derail your thread with the most unwelcome discourse. Peace

So telling someone you suggest is vulnerable that death isn't real is more wise?

Telling people they aren't enlightened online is more entertaining to see than the ones posturing enlightenment online because it's the human animal trying to catch it own tail. Even though it's not hard to imagine there are some who think they know the lexicon and lean in to a few of the traditional concepts trafficked on the forum...so nobody knows your guru is a dog online. Nah, what I call liberation is an experience of well being, anyone can be it, I encourage everyone to be well. The whatever bullchit esoteric conceptualizations and heuristic complications is just distraction. People telling stories. Being presence is simple. Just be...well.

@Holykael That's quite a story you have there. Do you really believe that's what it is? Whatever story creates well being in you live it. Peace

Watch what? It's ok to say death isn't real but it's not ok to say it's eternal sleep? After dealing with muffugers like you my whole life I need a nap...a real long nap.

You believe you know but it's just your imagination. I've been focusing on the messages, the points and addressing them. You are focusing on me and creating a story about me that fits into what you want to believe while ignoring the points being addressed. You are defending identity through this instead of engaging in discussion about the topics.

Simplicity in being presence transcends the complicated activities of the mind.

I'm not just pointing to the attachment to self identity which creates the separation, it does, but also the personified sense of self, the ego, creates imagined hoops to jump through to get something imagines it doesn't have. So even if our attachment to self identity isn't strong and awareness is expanding the ego, the doer, thinks it's helping the awakening process by creating imagined requirements 'to do' for liberation that really have an opposite effect in our consciousness. Yea, one could say the ego hides liberation, the cessation of self suffering, behind these obstacles which then produces self suffering if one believes they are required to jump through the hoops to 'get it'. Cease believing in the obstacles and the hidden is revealed. Even "when that illusory believer gets out the way, liberation is already what IS!" is an imagined obstacle belief that there's an illusory believer hiding liberation that once we get it out of the way we become aware that it already is. It's a subtle perception that has profound effect. The illusory believer itself isn't an obstacle if we aren't attached to the believer or it's beliefs. Our mind has all sorts of useful beliefs that allow us to navigate the world but if one believes they must be removed along with the believer for liberation that is an imagined obstacle. I could even flip it onto my own words by saying ceasing to be attached to the believer and the beliefs is an imagined obstacle. Although, it isn't something to be done to attain, it is something not done, 'attachment', that reveals in our awareness, a 'realization' of it. Again this is a subtle perception that has profound effect.