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On 5/20/2016 at 2:44 PM, Sri McDonald Trump Maharaj said:“Happiness is your nature. It is not wrong to desire it. What is wrong is seeking it outside when it is inside.”
― Ramana Maharshi“It is always the false that makes you suffer, the false desires and fears, the false values and ideas, the false relationships between people. Abandon the false and you are free of pain; truth makes happy, truth liberates.”
― Nisargadatta Maharaj“All you want is to be happy. All your desires, whatever they may be, are longing for happiness. Basically, you wish yourself well...desire by itself is not wrong. It is life itself, the urge to grow in knowledge and experience. It is choices you make that are wrong. To imagine that some little thing-food, sex, power, fame-will make you happy is to decieve oneself. Only something as vast and deep as your real self can make you truly and lastingly happy.”
― Nisargadatta Maharaj“You may die a hundred deaths without a break in the mental turmoil. Or, you may keep your body and die only in the mind. The death of the mind is the birth of wisdom.”
― Nisargadatta Maharaj, I Am That: Talks with Sri Nisargadatta MaharajI realized a portion of the, "Happiness is your nature. It is not wrong to desire it. What is wrong is seeking it outside when it is inside.”
Happiness is your nature. Upon thinking it is wrong to desire it it will be a wall around you until you seek it outside though it is inside. Relax in it. Upon seeking it where it isn't found it omits you. (notice this process in action during meditation/introspection)
Please offer an explanation of the rest of the quotes. I understand fairly, but I wish to be more detailed.
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Expressions are riddles, not thought transportation. If the expression's witness cannot solve the riddle, they cannot understand it's meaning.
I'm curious, have you ever tried thinking without expressing what you were thinking? In other words, there are expressions tinier than things like smiles or audible terms, like a movement or rest intended to let someone know you are present. It's all about intention. I'm curious whether you can stop intending any expression, at least for an amount of time you can confidently say you actually accomplished this. You'll have to be thorough, if you're one of those who demands more than one evidence. Another point, after you try that, is to stop intending to transfer your thought via expression. Expressions are not thought transportation. Once you express (orally, through the hands, etc.) it is up to your witness to understand... either they know the interpretation or not.
Another thing, and this has perhaps subliminal purpose, stop trying to hide what is already hidden. If someone demands your reason for being in their house (and you've broken in), freaking out doesn't preserve your cool. The truth is in your mind, stop trying to hide what is already hidden, perhaps they can't even understand your expressions (like leaning on one foot with one arm crossed). START BUILDING CONFIDENCE AND TOPPLE THOSE FALSE NOTIONS.
Also, have you ever experienced emotion (not assuming you have)? Well, awareness requires a means by which it is gained... a sense(s). Yes. Now, through which sense(s) do you have(have you had) awareness of any emotion? Maybe you were watching a movie and experienced it, with which sense(s)? The main point is that it only ever was something you were aware of through at least one of your five senses, and that awareness of it didn't venture beyond that. If you want to manipulate your emotion, manipulate either the senses which sense it or what they sense (the thing you call emotion). Perhaps an emotion is merely a slightly war air, and one moment becomes cold as it exits your nostril(s) at which point you now know it is air... but would be confused as to how it jumped from emotion to air if you had not understood this. Yes, emotion isn't at all emotion, it is merely something you sense with your five senses which you've given another name because you've misidentified it.
Maybe tell me what you think, especially if you tried the whole zero expression (the first exercise) and not intending to use expression as thought transportation (the second).
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what if you can still quote people and have an account and receive messages?
Expressions are riddles, not thought transportation. If the expression's witness cannot solve the riddle, they cannot understand it's meaning.
I'm curious, have you ever tried thinking without expressing what you were thinking? In other words, there are expressions tinier than things like smiles or audible terms, like a movement or rest intended to let someone know you are present. It's all about intention. I'm curious whether you can stop intending any expression, at least for an amount of time you can confidently say you actually accomplished this. You'll have to be thorough, if you're one of those who demands more than one evidence. Another point, after you try that, is to stop intending to transfer your thought via expression. Expressions are not thought transportation. Once you express (orally, through the hands, etc.) it is up to your witness to understand... either they know the interpretation or not.
Another thing, and this has perhaps subliminal purpose, stop trying to hide what is already hidden. If someone demands your reason for being in their house (and you've broken in), freaking out doesn't preserve your cool. The truth is in your mind, stop trying to hide what is already hidden, perhaps they can't even understand your expressions (like leaning on one foot with one arm crossed). START BUILDING CONFIDENCE AND TOPPLE THOSE FALSE NOTIONS.
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If you say that it is here, a there must exist. But any "there" is simply present.
If you say that it is there, a here must exist. But any "here" is simply present.
If you say that it is small, a big must exist. But big is simply size.
An ant may seem small to an unenlightened, but the ant may seem big to a gnat.
If you say that it is big, a small must exist. But small is simply size.
A human may seem big to an unenlightened, but the human may seem big to an ant.Focus on actuality. Also, avoid the illusion of one. It is often during the illusion of controlling. For one moment, close your jaws and try to reason that they are plural rather than one. Perhaps situate and adjust until you find the illusion of one again. This illusion is potent... like focusing on a hand and knowing it is a hand, but forgetting it is multiple things combined. People are combinations of what elsewhere isn’t a creature, elements. Apart from assembling a creature, those which form you merely are… being elements. With pointillism, dots are seen from a distance… they are placed so as to, from a distance, seem to form a solid image. That image is like the illusion of one. Wherever you seem to sense one, you sense the same lying confirmation you experience when you seem to sense yourself. But you are multiple, thus consciousness of self is to be under an illusion.
“The consciousness of self is the greatest hindrance to the proper execution of all physical action” – Bruce lee
“Trying to define yourself is like trying to bite your own teeth." – Alan Watts -
Lol I don't know why there's question marks in my post, I meant I loved the quote
I see what you mean, worry is like the conditioned thoughts that keep us stuck in our usual way of seeing things, and meditation helps to let go of those and only focus on right now, beyond the thoughts
Oh then I don't think I misunderstood you, I thought you might think that. Looks like you understand a bit of what I meant though. As for whether or not worry is conditioned, check this out. I was focusing on what I exactly I "know". What I noticed is that I only "know" what I'm currently thinking. That is the extent of my knowledge. Whether or not i respond with what I memorized depends on whether I can make enough connections and be close enough to grasp it from where my current thought is.
But seriously look at my other comment. I just had a brain fart and some of the things I've been contemplating have been making sense. I revised the response to Maorice's comment.
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3 hours ago, Maorice said:
"Me" is a combination together forming "Me", therefore the case is "We". The eyes which see are not the ears which hear, and the connection between them, too, isn't "Me" it is "We". It would also be erroneous to say that "I" represent "Them", rather than to merely say "We" sometimes work together. Because sometimes I sit on my leg and can't move it, so that "We" are smaller in number. But that leg may soon join "Us" again.
Therefore, because all of my components are elements which may not compose a creature... the universe is like a complete creature, whereas humans are an increment... a limb.
There is no such thing as "My Life" there is only "Life". Existence actually only is. There is no belonging. Giving is only movement. Recieving is only movement. Small is only size. Tall is only size. A lake is a large puddle and a small ocean. If you stop considering belonging, you can notice IS-ness. Existence actually rather than inaccute perspectives. Inaccurate perspectives are formed much like imaginations, except with words. A unicorn is perhaps a combination of a horn, a horse, and the colors of the rainbow. Everything belongs where it is, if you are not it... it doesn't belong to you. Because nothing impossible has ever happened, it is logical that the thing is where it is. But since I am actually "We", We belong where we are rather than to anything else.
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I wrote this one, it is in terms of the mind and non-mind.
"Surrender if resistance costs more than it benefits. Resist if surrender costs more than it benefits."
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On 5/16/2016 at 2:03 PM, Saarah said:@Sri McDonald Trump Maharaj LOVE IT!!! ??
I honestly thoroughly applied that quote. I found that, like worry, hate and love are like realizing something a second time. Because worry does nothing more than remind you of what you already know. Rather than to dwell on anything, I keep moving via contemplating, reestablishing focus (overall focus), and meditating. It is then that I don't look like a child staring at what they already have rather then to invite new experiences. As Christ said, "The old wine is better, they say."
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I gathered two very opposing ideas to meditate on. They key is to observe the psychological and non-psychological affect of these meditation. Be thorough, though these directions may be unconventional and even considered other than moral (according to mainstream). Please tell me what you experience as a result of this, maybe even do them while doing chores if you can't just lay down and be still. But seriously, I'm interested in what you experience will be.
1Don't believe anything. Don't believe that you don't believe anything, while you are. If you aren't satisfied you've properly done this, it's because you require too much evidence. But evidence is the basis for proper belief. Don't believe anything. Not even the aforementioned. I want you to tell me if you can follow through with reaching for something if you believe nothing about it or reaching for it.
2) Believe everything, despite whether it would be contradictory having beliefs which contradict one another. Believe white isn't white, and that white is white, and that white isn't at all, and that white exists.
3) I don't expect you to fully accomplish this next one.Focus on something you doubt or something you believe. Attempt to both doubt and believe it.
4) This one is kind of hard, but if you fear during it you'll likely be at a loss for words. Focus on something you've either doubted or believed and NEITHER believe nor doubt it.
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Do you realize what anger is? Nothing more than emotion.
Realization of emotion suggests awareness of it, right? Well, awareness requires a sense whereby it is gained. Through which "sense" is your awareness of your emotion? This "sense" is simpler than you may think. As for how to observe it... salt isn't sugar, but to the eye they are both white. Work with what you have evidence of; therefore build upon factual premise, deduce. I recommend trying to preserve the conditions (sounds, sights, tastes, smells, sensations) which are present during your emotion, so that you can observe it without error. Think deductively. The anger/emotion you have... by means of the sense your awareness of it is by, locate it. NOW, it is simply something you've misidentified. Your misunderstanding is much like cavemen being impressed upon witnessing fire for the first time. However, if you treat emotion deductively (as with salt and sugar) you can bypass how impressing emotion is and better understand. After realizing this, I understand people far better. Movies seem to involve primitive minded, ignorant children (and the hype is easier to identify). I now know emotions aren't an aspect of your personality, they are merely what your five senses sense and what you likely misunderstand. The only reason you've associated them with your personality is because they have become quite familiar. When you experience a new "emotion" you likely get a kick out it, because you feel new and up to date, really that emotion is only something at least one of your five senses senses. Significantly changing what the five senses sense is manipulation of "emotion".
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I love you.
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I believe that many people suffer the illusion of individuality. The fact is that one person comprises multiple elements, hence they cannot be something single. The way the illusion works is much like how two eyes provide one path of vision, so that you wouldn't know you had two eyes (and not one) without a mirror or feeling around (or something). People aren't individuals, they are combinations of what can be found elsewhere not forming a creature. Just as two eyes provide one vision, the true case is unity (collaboration/combination) rather than individuality.
I've also found that this sense is often present during partial satisfaction (rather than complete satisfaction).
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On 2/10/2017 at 3:53 AM, Vanish said:Can you describe the essence of this in one or two lines?
I've had some more experience examining, contemplating, and recording concerning this topic.
The next post will quite possibly be the greatest ever on Actualized.org (I've long worked with simplification, which has helped me maintain order rather than a jumbled bulk of a mind... slowly I've built upon factual premises, forgoing the inessential one's, and I've found something monumental). All without the use of machines. I highly recommend deducing, rather than surmising. Doubt and belief both require trust to be placed, to deduce is to properly lay the blocks of your tower. Sit tight, because it (the aforementioned) will come soon. I'll call it: "An Answer: Self-Actualization in Actuality"
In that post I'll describe the manner (partially the aforementioned, concerning "building") of self-examination, clear the confusion between the psychological and the non-psychological, and more. Most of my prior posts were written in words I wrote despite not quite knowing how to put what I know into better expression.
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I'm rewriting this reply because I found newer information.
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Focus on efficiency in terms of breathing and blinking, the rest will come easily. Those were the most problematic I experience during fear. Upon fear, I would stop breathing; but because I literally stopped (neither exhaling nor inhaling) I would be either too tense or too loose; and, without prior knowledge of the aforementioned, I would tense or loosen further (even with other body-parts). So you can imagine how easily that got out of hand and how easily I can manage now, with a better understanding of emotion and knowing I can manipulate them.
Experience (inasmuch as the five senses and deduction) is trustworthy. Let doubt or belief be a response based on experience with your five (or more) senses and/or deduction (psychological). Believe what is fact BY COMPREHENSION (deduction).
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Don't be mislead. The brain must process details, it is after processing (and, ultimately, after an event) you actually become aware. However, if you can exclude inessential psychological processes, your mind can become faster (seeing as how you work with less). As they say, "More money, more problems."
The more you're around, the more processing and work you have to do. It is exactly that I have in mind to explain: efficiency.
Upon emotion, locate where your five senses reveal it (they tend to operate like instruments, emotion being the overall result). Notice that you can, with at least one of your five senses, sense emotion... whereas the five senses cannot sense thought. If you manipulate those conditions, you can manipulate emotion, what is crucial is that you change your thought process (to something like ice-cream, during anger) while you manipulate the emotion. Notice how emotion isn't at all related to thought.
The aforementioned also applies to fear. Thought isn't emotion, and fear is an emotion.
Fear is often during inefficiency. So, happiness is often an animal instinct which notes that your current condition is favorable.
For example, when Caesar Augustus (former King) had been hugged before he was stabbed in the back. Now, his five senses identified the hugging as pleasant, but because the five senses aren't intelligent... they could only consider the present rather than the future. But hugging is good, yet a stabbing came afterward.
So, complete happiness is during efficiency (of some kind). You may find partial happiness while your hands are raised over a keyboard (instead of laying where they can rest, efficiently). Upon fear, most people respond with inefficiency immediately, the idea is to stop that. Most people worry (but immediate worry isn't as necessary as immediate planning), become too tense (whereas they shouldn't be too tense OR too loose, it's situational), they don't blink enough, their breathing stops or is uneven (and when it stops they are tense, because they aren't inhaling or exhaling). But the truth is, before they can properly respond, they require a plan.Better to die forming or with a plan than without a plan, but to be efficient... if you know you're gonna die it's better to not waste your time (haha).
So, upon fear, patrol (with your awareness, not to advise you feel yourself or look everywhere) your body for inefficiencies and manipulate conditions according to what suits you... unless it is dangerous to move. At that point you can ignore emotion, it won't interrupt a thought process. Simply begin thinking of away out and overlook emotion no matter it's nature. It will only affect you bodily, so you're subject to it at least to that extent. But focus on thought, perhaps manipulating physical (or audio) conditions to suit your emotion if it becomes too unbearable.
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Emotion is happy with you, concerning your spot in the survival of the fittest.
Emotion is sad with you, possessing a level of gentleness yet assertiveness (it is reasonable).
Emotion is angry about you/with you (reasonably) ... but a message is present with anger, and sadness concerns what you should be conscious of.As for remembered emotions, they are no longer apply to the present because they were according to a former present. The present emotion concerns present matters. If you try and summon a past emotion, you may feel a yearning to dwell more on the current affairs because such is gone... it's because you have grieved the teacher as the teacher is trying to school you.
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On 2/1/2017 at 4:00 PM, aryberry said:there's this one feeling or sensation or emotion or something, which is negative, it's kind of an irritation that if I have it I'm in monkey thinking prettymuch. but as soon as I attempt to be mindful about it, it disappears. but eventually when I stop being mindful it comes back! not right away but still.
any tips? it's almost amusing 'cept it makes me throw a day away.
Have you ever hear someone say, "I know what I want to say, but I can't put it into words."?
The idea is that the thing they can't put into words is already in words. Merely that it is in a language they can't express with.You may grow in anger as you become impatient while ignoring the pain you feel sitting on your legs. The message is to allow blood flow to your legs. Emotion expresses a message to do with the survival of the fittest. Emotion is an inner guidance and teacher with more affection and attention for you than you've for yourself. At least listen to emotion, rather than to resist it, and learn a lesson. If you learn the lesson of efficiency, you may willingly move your leg and let the blood flow. The desire to flee rather than to flight, too, is a lesson of efficiency.
SGT Rory Miller once said "It is better to avoid than to run. It is better to run than de-escalate. It is better to de-escalate than to fight.”
I found it better to commence fulfillment of an idea after it has become a topic emotion fully explored. As a result, I could apply the lessons of my inner teacher.
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For a while I've been asexual (neither men, nor women, nor anything). That until I better manage my mind and sharpen my reasoning without the toll of my emotions. I've since become involved with intellectualism (excercising the intellect at the expense of the emotions). I found that I could do all the things I did during emotions without emotions, and still have a content mind. Emotions are like a filter effect on your smart phone which prevents you from seeing things in actuality (or as they TRULY potentially could be. Emotions bring a sort of rashness and stupidity.
Can you begin to understand why families holds themselves responsible for a loved one? No! Because to understand involves the intellect... but they relied on emotion and conventional definitions which lack a valid premise. Why else would a country worship people who kill for land, wear uniforms, have their own language, a theme song (like rap), and their own economy (I'm talking about gangsters AND soldiers)?
I recommend observing your mind while comfortably still on the bed or ground, clearing your mind, and noting what your first thoughts are concerned with (as you begin thinking). You'll find that emotion can still become a sort of background process (like a computer) while you are exercising the intellect (thought)... but if you bother with emotion or molest it you will stimulate it (so if you don't resist emotion but merely focus on reasoning and exercising the intellect... being frank and practical... rationalizing... emotion will fade along with it's filter effect).
p.s. trust me i'm merely content, not elated (see what I mean)
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Modest (inwardly) always
Honest (inwardly) always.... despite what others may be ashamed of.
... despite what others may be prideful ofBut if you wish to tell a lie... don't tell a lie. In other words: think the truth but say the lie. Expressions include: vocal, facial, and bodily. Merely define those differently, the definition being psychological and the truth at that. After all, your mind is already fairly discreet.
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On 1/16/2017 at 10:36 AM, Tancrede Pouyat said:I agree with that. But that doesn't mean that pain is worse than pleasure.
Everything is groundless. Sensations are just there for themselves, not for what you think they represent. Sensations are just sensations, what you call pain is just another sensation, but you think that it represents pain. But it doesn't.
Now, I think it's still important to label your sensations because it can help you become more mindful of them. In the same way that both Bordeaux and some japanese wine could be both just called wine, but differentiating the two helps you realize that they're extremely different.
But that labeling is completely groundless (which doesn't mean that you absolutely need to stop labeling), and it can backfire on you if you take it too far. In my experience, moralizing and saying that certain sensations are better than others is taking it too far, and will backfire.
I think what you're referring to (in saying, "label your sensations because it can help you become more mindful of them.") is to better translate them. For example, people often say, "I know what I mean but I can't put it into words"... when actually they are merely words they haven't translated into more widely used language like English, Spanish, etc.
The idea is to, if you can't translate something, memorize it's attributes and maybe write them down until you can find how to express them. Sometimes it is that content (what they can't express) that they overlook; it is that side of their intellect which escapes the public eye... because it isn't translated.
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"What any taketh (or can) isn't them, and what another taketh from them isn't them. Release the inessential, anything another from you isn't your requirement; not crucial." -Me