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So video footage doesn't convince you, but audio comparisons are good for you? I wait and see investigations in the coming days.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/17a7mmh/hamas_rocket_fails_midair_and_crashes_on_hospital/?share_id=z0WBBpDO5Q_5ljFT-c8hI What actually happened.

"Learned their lesson" - The lesson Jews learned is that they aren't safe around the world, so a group of fighters created a colonial Zionist movement which seized an opportunity to create a safe haven for Jews. What is your point in comparing with Russia? How would one even compare?

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/17a7mmh/hamas_rocket_fails_midair_and_crashes_on_hospital/?share_id=z0WBBpDO5Q_5ljFT-c8hI Here's what happened. Hamas fucked up.

Do you know the history? They rejected the UN partition which would have given them 50% of the land, then declared war on the Jews and lost. They could have made counter proposals, etc but they declared war. Also, even without context that isn't close to Nazi Germany's treatment of the Jews who created Gas chambers to more efficiently kill Jews. Stop comparing everything to Nazis, nuance is needed.

I feel for the Palestinian people and the IDF is no saint, but I can't take you seriously when you make hyperbolic statements such as "commit genocide" and "same as Nazis." The Palestinian population has exploded while Israel could have wiped out the entire population during these 70 years. They must really suck at genocide. They've also attempted to move towards peace with the Palestinians on many occasions and form a two state solution. Didn't work out that well for the Jews in Nazi Germany unfortunately. To you it's all the same though.

Did Ukrainians sneak into Russia on Christmas and rape / murder the equivalent of 30 9/11s worth of people?

Israel's objective isn't to kill children. The objective is to remove Hamas and their infrastructure. They drop leaflets and instruct civilians to leave the area. There's legitimate discussion to be had about whether civilians have enough time, etc. but trying to claim moral equivalence with Hamas whose objective it is to kill civilians and children in cold blood is ridiculous.

It's better for Israelis to drop their loved ones into a dense urban warzone with Hamas rather than clear the area?

What are you even saying? If it was literal reality that they are already living together the problem would have already been solved. Mainland Israel is a majority Jewish state with many peaceful Muslim minority groups living within, but that is not the same as a radicalized Gazan population who has been raised under Hamas rule their entire lives.

I never claimed Israel is so kind. The one state solution is an unrealistic utopian concept which will never happen. The fact is that Israel was formed as a colonial Jewish state with the intention of being a safe haven for Jews after centuries of persecution in both Europe and the Arab-Muslim world. Whether you agree with the premise or not, the nation of Israel isn't going to self destruct by forming a one state solution. To make matters worse, it would be almost impossible to integrate both people's effectively in the short term. The Palestinians do not want a one state solution either. Both sides hate each other.

When you're a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.

This whole trauma angle is corny. This is just human nature. Things happen, many times horrific. The entire planet's geographical lines are predicated on colonialism and war. After centuries of war and displacement, be it the Israeli kingdom, the romans, the ottomans, the British, etc... now we want to choose 1947 as our arbitrary year where history should reverse itself and a nation state should be undone. We don't hold any other nation on the planet to such a wild standard. War happened. The palestinians lost their land, just as the Jews before them had multiple times. My family is Iraqi Jewish, ancestrally there for hundreds of years. The entire Jewish population of Iraq was expelled, our land and properties violently stolen. The same thing occurred in almost every Arab nation in the 20th century. Is my family ever going to get their home back? NO. We have to move on and look forward. The West likes to dangle this resistance carrot in front of the Palestinians as if they'll ever fully take their lands back. This is immoral. It isn't going to happen. They like to demonize Israel for doing everything their nations have done for millenia. The path to peace is to look forward, not backwards. Sit down at the negotiation table, and find the best deal for the Palestinian people which improves their livelihoods.

A real problem is that the more surgical Israel is, the more Israeli casualties there will be. Given the significant loss of life in the country as of late, the relative experience of 30 9/11s... they are obviously hesitant. I don't think anyone expects this to eliminate Hamas, only significantly cripple them.

I explained this in a previous post. Israel doesn't actually expect Hamas militants to stay and for the entire northern region to be clear of all civilians. They'd like for as many civilians as possible to leave the area before a ground invasion. If Hamas leaves too, so be it. The major objective is to destroy Hamas infrastructure / weapon stockpiles without a dense urban ground war and many casualties on both sides.

Fair enough. There’s a lot of misunderstanding about Israel’s motives. Of course they don’t expect to 100% eliminate Hamas. That is impossible. The lines between Hamas militants and civilians are very blurred. What Israel is actually trying to do is avoid a dense urban ground war with hundreds of thousands of civilians. If enough Gazans move south, Israel will come in and destroy Hamas infrastructure, weapon stockpiles, etc. without as much risk to their soldiers and civilians alike. No one actually expects this to solve the Middle East crisis or defeat Hamas completely. Israel has been resigned to doing this sort of maintenance work every decade or so to greatly reduce the risk of attack on their populace.

You do realize that Israel has made huge concessions in the past including land, ceasefires, peace offers, etc. and none of them mattered? What do you hope to achieve placating a group who doesn't recognize your existence and wants you 100% annihilated? What you're saying makes sense in a vacuum, but reality paints a different story. After decades of attempts, the Israelis no longer believe in a peaceful solution. The Palestinians NEVER believed in a peaceful solution. That's where we are now. Of course Israel is going to grab what they can when politics are at play and the alternative has no incentive except for outside criticisms like yours.

Yes, if only the Israelis gave up the settlements... then there would peace. Of course! Why didn't we think of the settlements??

Yes, it's all the Jews fault they are under attack again. Comparing Jews to concentration camp guards is about as brain dead a take as you can have. Israel could have wiped Gaza off the map for decades, but have shown restraint. If the tables were turned, they would kill every single Jew.

Do you really believe this is all about settlement expansion? Seems very reductionist to me. Over decades it was made obvious that it doesn't matter what good will or good faith gestures Israel makes, the response from Palestinians will be the same: violence, murder, terrorism. You can give up land, make concessions, offer peace deals, etc etc. The end result is the same. So of course over time the powers that be stop caving in to international pressure and give in to shadow instincts and internal politics. This conflict is framed incorrectly from the get go. It's presented like Jews are white colonial settlers violently taking over native land... when it's actually more like Navahos and Cherokees on the same land in different numbers, being presented with a land offer. You can argue whether the offer was fair or not, but we're so far beyond that. One side wants 100% complete annihilation of the other. The two state solution is dead. The one state solution is dead. What is the upside to playing nice with the Palestinians?

This isn't meant to be a rebuttal or anything like that, just some thoughts on what was written and how we can express some of these ideas with less confusion and pain. https://actualized.org/insights/the-genius-of-tracie-harris Unclear what is meant by "scientific evidence" here. Science says nothing about morality - but science can tell you about the suffering inflicted on the child, their psychology, and their outcomes as adults. Why the duality between us and God here? A form of the absolute does care about this issue. The distinction is confusing. Atheism, and valuing science is just one aspect of a person's life. Some atheists believe morality is objectively based on some set criteria like "well being" or "reducing suffering". Other atheists believe morality is relative, and that we can come to the same subjective ideas about morality without a divine authority. What is the problem here? We are humans having a human experience. We effect change in our relative human domain by having opinions and fighting for whatever cause we find ourselves in. It is reminiscent of Krishna reminding Arjuna of his duties as a warrior in the Bhagavad Gita: I guess your overall point is that there's more to the world than our relative human concerns which is of course true. I do agree with morals being subjective. I guess my issue is with reducing all human concerns to pettiness as opposed to being an important and integral part of the absolute which is doing as we should @Leo Gura feel free to clarify.

Agreed. There's no point in self harm either.

Right, so why don't you just jump off a bridge now? Because we want to enjoy our hallucinogenic experience of reality. You experience life with some degree of caution because you value the game. So don't give me this bullshit.

This is great advice. The rest of you who are suggesting he do more 5 MeO. You are suggesting someone with PTSD symptoms and a sensitized nervous system take more of the most powerful hallucinogen known, which got him in this situation in the first place. What's wrong with you?

How much of a mystical experience is primed by cultural reference? During a near death experience, a Christian sees christian theological memes, whereas someone from a different culture will see completely different imagery and themes. They aren't even pointing in the same direction. You mention how psychedelic use won't bring you to a full awakening without studying and having a framework beforehand. How do you address this chicken and egg situation? You can't reach the truth without direct experience, but you also can't reach the truth without a theoretical framework. Is our perception of awakening completely dependent upon our pre-existing neural networks? Even If our cognitive filter is off (ego), what's left is still what was already there. I'm not saying I completely stand behind this objection, but it's something I wrestle with from time to time.