ajasatya

@Pouya you can't stop it. it's stronger than you. suffering will push you back and growth will happen spontaneously.

watching the rhythm of nature... the movement of the plants, the way that the sun light spreads, the water cycle etc. there are so many amazing things happening in nature and we've lost touch with it. too much of "civilization problems" already.

i started to explore different things. i started to practice yoga, i changed my diet, i met people who practiced permaculture, which allowed me to get closer to nature. i started to actually listen to people while i talked to them. being able to make eye contact is a powerful breakthrough.

has it? we do see patterns on higher levels. is logic innate of the fabric of Reality or a tool for survival and contemplation on the level of the mind?

@breathe582 i am sorry to say this but it seems like you haven't suffered enough just yet. your levels of attachment are way too high and only an intense shock of emotional pain felt in the bones can shake you out of the turmoil of such a disturbed and undisciplined mind.

@Wisebaxter god is everything that exists, it's the fabric of reality. all experiences emerge from god, including destructive ones. but becoming aware of god is something else. as you go deeper into True Nature, you gain access to the most fundamental form of love, which is purely unconditional. it is a mindfuck though. how come hatred arises in the creation of primal love? can you see how pure and unconditional the primal source of Love is, allowing all sorts of experiences to co-exist?

i haven't read it yet but i'm eager to read it. got the pdf on my pc already.

is this true? how many sanghas have you been part of and how many zen masters have you talked to?

and so is the guy who got laid with his son's wife

engage in a real zen sangha, go to retreats and live with zen masters/practitioners for a while. it will show you way more than the perspective of a single advanced practitioner.

that's what i thought as i was doing my "research", but that's not what i found when i got closer and closer to experienced zen teachers from zen lineages. zen training is a copy+paste of the traditional training proposed by sidhartha gautama and his silent method has been passed on by dozens of generations of super responsible people (thank god again). what you see on the current picture of "buddhism" is very distorted from what it really was.

those are attempts to explain their first hand direct experiences and comprehensions about what awakening is and how the process of awakening occurs in the human realm. but if you ever get really close to a serious zen lineage, you will notice that there are teachings about how to behave and (thank god) they are very rigorous. the difference is that zen does not teach you about Truth. zen is only a method for you to experience it by yourself. a true zen master is awakened to the nature of God and is able to recognize students who are seriously aware of God. the teaching of "there are no teachings" is not absolute. it serves people in a very specific level of practice. but such teaching does not qualify as a general teaching of zen. serious zen lineages come from the teaching of the original buddha and their teachings are the noble 8-fold path.

zen has very straightforward teachings. zen is a practice for the discipline of the mind. have you ever been to a sesshin? the instructions are clear. zen retreats are artificial environments for people to train the presence of awareness.

ok but those are not fundamental characteristics of a human being. you trained yourself to be that way, thus, if you want, you can deconstruct them. this story sounds like my past.

if reality has lost its magic, then explain to me: how come there exists something instead of nothing?

are you married? do you have kids? find a way to rest without putting so much burden on your shoulders. do some research on alternative lifestyles. what if you've been fooled about the suit & tie lifestyle? what if that's not for you?

who are you?

@Wyverz now that the experience is gone, you're turning it into a belief and suffering because of it. let go already... it's already a lie. Truth is now.

True Nature is not supposed to be something that you are not. the feeling of individuality is real and it's also a marvelous thing. just because you had a glimpse of truth, it doesn't mean that people around you aren't having a genuine conscious experience on a daily basis. why not be with them?

@Wyverz yes and no

@JohnnyBravo in the end, everyone kinda finds what they're seeking. whatever you say can be used to motivate the exact opposite of what you were trying to express... it just depends on what the seeker is thirsty for. leo talks a lot about spirituality and the enjoyment of life. still, what did @Sharp see? a genuine and reasonable body of knowledge to support his suicidal tendencies. i am here (not only on this forum) to always offer the best i can, but what people will do with what i say is out of my reach.

@Schahin you, and everything that exists NOW, are the afterlives and the "pastlives" of existence itself.

this is an OLD story, desire and belief. you cannot get out. you cannot get in. you are existence, alive, asking who you are. you will not find the answer somewhere in the universe. the universe doesn't know what it is and it asks those questions through human beings (for example). being is the highest mystery and it cannot be solved, only contemplated. "i am. and i don't even know how." - the universe

@Pouya is your notion of truth true? if yes, you're contradicting yourself if no, then it's an useless insight go beyond the mind. beyond falsehood and truthfulness. what's between words?

amazing. but it doesn't seem like you were able to find the source of impatience. you just felt impatient. why don't you give it a try everyday?