Scholar

There is an interesting dynamic that I think might not be as obvious at first glance. If there is a certain geopolitical order in the world, a natural tendency of each nation-state to fall into a certain place of the hierarchy of power, any aberration away from that natural order would require force to sustain itself. In other words, it requires an outside force to shape a river beyond it's natural tendency of flowing where there is least resistance. If we assume that China is in a unique geopolitical position which actually deems it, in the context of least resistance, to be the hegemony of the world, what does this mean for any other nation-state that seeks to uphold it's current hegemony on the world stage? It means that the country must interfer in the natural power-structures, and war is the natural consequence of such interferences. For the US to maintain it's position at the top, it must continiously undermine the natural order, the natural harmony that would reveal itself if non-interference were to be a reality. China has been the center of the world for thousands of years, europe was meaningless. As we speak that historic order is being restored and it seems like the US will not be able to maintain it's dominance in the world without severe conflict. See, if nature deem it so that you are not at the top of the foodchain, it will require you to resist nature. This will lead to suffering. Mankind as a whole can be viewed to be in this stage of development. In our attempt to free ourselves from the natural order, we have subjugated nature. The suffering it takes to maintain our position in nature far exceeds any suffering we ourselves would have experienced if we had maintained the natural order. China is the center of the world, whether you like it or not. They are the majority, so it is a priority that they start to progress. If they become the hegemony, they will develope. They will rise in consciousness. We can have all the progress in the west, it is meaningless to what it would mean for China and India to progress. And China and India will progress, and we might be able to aid them if we are willing to give in to the natural order. It seems to me that it could very wellbe that we are currently the hinderance to the progress of mankind, not them.

Precisely, which is why being clearly able to identify this kind of bias is so central to consciousness work.

If Trump wins I will view that as an official failure of the american democracy. It will become very difficult to avoid eco-fascistic tendencies in the future if we do not radically change as soon as possible. Meanwhile, China can just decide they are going carbon neutral. No need for elections, no need for hoping that the people vote someone into office who isn't a complete lunatic. And no schizophrenic change in direction with every new election. https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-54256826

The true issue here is not Alex Jones, but someone like Joe Rogan who legitimizes him. Joe Rogan does not take responsibility for his platform at all, he is stuck in stage orange so he is unwilling to recognize the tremendous negative effect he has on the world and the people when he has clowns on who he doesn't challenge at all basically. Joe Rogan would be the type who would have had Adolf Hitler on to have a fun time with him.

How do you know? Sure, but how do you know you can't be vegan? And if you can't, what is a reasonable thing to do? Is it reasonable to start killing human beings for meat? No, you would say that you would rather eat a cow before you eat a human. And then you should ask yourself, is there something rather than a cow that you can eat? This would be a reasonable approach, while still advocating for veganism. Also, of course everyone can be vegan. Veganism is an ethical position. If you truly do need meat to survive, you can be vegan while consuming meat. But you would have to ensure that you truly do need to consume meat to survive. How do you accomplish that?

People also became judgemental after they realized slavery is wrong and should be abolished. Slavery would make you feel much stronger and healtheir aswell, considering that you wouldn't have to be the one working in a field. Labels are terrible, I mean calling someone a slaver just because he keeps slaves just closes your mind and prevents you to see other perspectives and possibilities. Freeing your slaves and blaming others for keeping them won't solve these deeply complex issues about slave culture and slave abuse. If your God Leo kept himself some human slaves, could you accept that? Not everyone can work in the field, we are different and there is no superior way. I agree with you that this has nothing to do with spirituality. But the argument you are providing can be easily used to justify anything you would consider undesirable in a society. It is also not very surprising that you would have felt bad from only eating exotic sweet fruit and greens, instead of a normal balanced diet. But the more important question is whether the benefits you are experience justify what is being done to other individuals, and if you do accept that, whether human slavery wouldn't be just as justified. Just because veganism was all about a label for you and your own health, does not mean that this is true for others. There are plenty of people who genuinely want slavery to be gone and would fight for it. It's not all bad just because it has low-consciousness aspects. The world is driven by low-consciousness. If you cannot grasp this you need to accept reality for what it is, and that judgement is a driver of civilizations. It will take a long time until society operates from a place of consciousness. And to demonize everything just because it doesn't fit your spiritual ideals is actually a hinderance to the progress and evolution of nature. There is a place and time for this kind of talk, and it's certainly not when mother nature is literally dying and trillions of beings are brutalized unnecessarily by mankind. This is a time of adopting radical responsibility and being able to make the sacrifices that need to be done. If this will not happen, nature will make it happen.

Replace animals with mentally handicapped people of the same level of cognitive ability as animals and you know my answer. Consider that there is a fundamental difference in what we value here, and how we value it. Imagine the majority of the world would deem it ethical to throw homosexuals off a roof. Imagine you lived in a spiritual community which largely agreed with that sentiment. They would not just deem it to be permissable, but infact they would contribute and actively engage in the killing of homosexuals. This is the position I find myself in. And ironically you, because you use Spirituality to justify your deeds, have to admit that you cannot say that I am wrong, because all of it is just relative. It's just an opinon, a spiritual ego, that makes it so people resist the killing of homosexuals. Therefore you would have to judge, within that context, such a person who argued against the killing of homosexuals in just the same way you are judging me.

It seems like what motivates the creation of conspiracy theories is very much the same force that creates religions. And it seems like the attempt of unifying the conspiracy theories is actually another extended force present within creation of religions, akin to integrating multiple theistic traditions into one unified polytheistic tradition, which then might be attempted to be turned into a monotheistic one. Very interesting. Or we are just entering into Stage One Idiocracy.

I don't know what you mean by sensitive. And I don't know what you mean by agenda, I think I am pretty transparent about my motivations here. Of course this is a more relevant thing to talk about for me because I view it as important. And it is also a good way to illustrate some of the pitfalls of spiritual ideology, which I think many people here have fallen into. I think it is a mistake to use spirituality to justify or prohibit actions. But that was described in detail in the initial posts I made here. It's a bit surprising how unconscious some people here are in terms of them not realizing what they are doing. They will at one hand use Spirituality and Love to say that killing animals is all fine and dandy, and in the next thread over they will complain about politics or any other topic. They would never use this kind of thinking to go into a thread about how raping children is wrong, and tell everyone they should just be more spiritual and accept things.

lol Growing lab grown meat would be more compassionate and ethical. It would be most certainly healthier due to us being able to control for factors like cholesterol. Antibiotic resistant bacteria would not be a problem anymore because we wouldn't be using antibiotics on animals anymore, which is actually a serious problem we currently have. There is a possible future in which anti-biotics are completely useless, in which human beings die from basic infections as they did 200 years ago. It would stop one of the most significant drivers of environmental destruction. A significant amount of your so called monocrops are being fed to factory farmed animals. Infact, animal agriculture makes it impossible for us to adopt any other means of crop production but monocrops. Demand is too high for us to do any healthy kind of agriculture. Infact, if demand in Asia keeps rising and meet western standards, we will need multiple planets just so we can grow the crops to feed the animals. With grazing animals this becomes even worse, infact we would require multiple planets to meet the already present demand. Why do you think are the amazon forests being burned? They are making room for the cows so they can export them to China. If this continues, there will be no significant forest left on this planet in the next 100 years. It would not necessitate to put human beings in the position of having to kill other sentient beings as a job, preventing them from experiencing terrible PTSD very similar to what war veterans experience. Having to kill hundreds of animals every day while expecting these people to remain psychologically intact and treat the animals respectfully is absurd. There is no evidence that millions of vegans are anemic, have a ruined gut and therefore cannot continue to be vegan. All the studies we have seen so far indicate the opposite. I don't know, how does it feel to have a moral pedestal to those low stage slave owners? I'm sure that is all just spiritual ego. "If you think raping and killing humans is evil, you don't understand Love." There is no point in bringing Love into any of this, other than you attempting to justify your own identity with your spiritual beliefs.

Sadly it's unlikely that you are fixing anything, and what seems like a solution will be just more detrimental to you in the long run. As you continue to consume only meat, your gut biome will change. The already dysfunctional biome will grow more dysfunctional, as all bacteria who survive off of plant matter will die out. You will notice this in terms of the reaction towards the foods you were sensitive to increasing significantly. The bacteria that previously digested and broke down certain matter will cease to exist and your body will be unable to cope with them. It is recommended to get your gut checked out by a specialist, the healing process will be long. I just hope you have not reached some point of no return due to your measures which might cause irreparable damage to your gut. This situation is like if school made you stressful, and you skipped school. Now however going to school becomes even more stressful because you will be confronted about skipping school. So you continue to skip school to avoid the stress of being confronted. And it just grows worse and worse. You don't feel any stress, but you also can't go back to school anymore. If you will go back, what you will experience will be far worse than if you had just gone to the school. The underyling problem of why school caused you stress was not even addressed at all, you just found a way to avoid it.

It is happening in my family aswell, it only effects family members who don't have a certain level of education though.

If it is because of taste, then the reason why you kill the cow is because of taste, not any of the other reasons you have given. If maturity is achieved, this will be recognized and accepted. And once it is accepted, your mind can start to resolve this problem if it remains a problem to you.

For the german folk in here: I keep seeing this all around. Conspiracy theories are being unified with spiritual ideology. It seems to me like Stage Green has a signficant problem to solve that it does not yet know how to solve. If you deconstruct reality, how do you actually come to construct a new one? If reality is deconstructed before the need for certainty has been resolved, it seems to lead to a construction of reality from a place of pure ego and bias. The world is constructed from a place of identity. This leads to new collective realities forming, less evolved to due lacking the rigor of natural selection that has taken place within the context of survival. The lack of constraint gives us freedom, yet constraint was the only thing that kept us rational. We have abandoned the swimming aids and are now confronted with having to swim all on our own. This is why a sudden psychedelic revolution would mean the collapse of civilization. This is why evolution takes time. It requires time for a healthy individual and collective to form. Unfortunately it looks like if we breach too fast into Stage Green, we will simply regress back to Stage Blue. Infact it will be the Stage Green people, precisely because they have not integrated Blue well enough, who will construct a Blue structure. Blue is the structure upon we all tread. Once that structure is gone, it has to be replaced. This is why evolution must happen by transcendance and inclusion, not by exclusion. We must consider that psychedelics were forbidden by law not because we fear them, but because the wisdom of God has determined that we are not ready for them yet. It is very much possible that our fear of Psychedelics is the same as our fear of Nuclear weapons. We intuit on a deeper level the consequences of these technology if we were given free rein over them.

It seems like the people who claim they have such unique genetics are unwilling to consume what primates are designed to consume, namely insects. You don't see any insectovore communities, despite the fact that primates do consume insects, and do not consume for example mammals in most instances. People consume cows instead of mealworms, this tells you everything you need to know.

It is very interesting that the devil always has to justify his current behaviour. You don't see a carnivore who thinks it would be better to eat lab grown meat, 99% of them have constructed an ideology out of their survival problems. The same was true for past societies. Survival was threatened to such a degree that they accepted things like slavery. Yet, they didn't simply accept it is some sort of sad but necessary consequence. They instead created an ideology that fully justifies slavery, that makes slavery good. This is a hallmark of lower stages. At higher stages we might accept the evil we are causing for self-preserverence, yet we lack the necessity to create an ideology that justifies it beyond our own selfishness. We can see our selfishness and accept it. We wouldn't need to say that veganism is unhealthy for all people, simply that it happened to be unhealthy for us. We wouldn't need to say that it's fine to kill all animals, we could say it that we are willing to kill the least problematic beings for our health. We wouldn't need to deny science and create a contrarian position that deems a plant based diet to be invalid. We could in general support veganism, we could encourage everyone to adopt it while recognizing that our issues are unique. But all of this is not the case in the carnivore movement. They are dogmatic, in their way to preserve their self-image, they are willing to go any length. Infact, what is so clearly a dysfunction within them, they now accept as some sort of noble norm. That they can't consume plants because humans are not made to consume plants. It is not because they are incapable of consuming them for some reason like gut issues, no, humans are carnivores and everyone ought to be a carnivore if they want to thrive. All of it a play of identity. Nothing new.

The thread I linked before should give more insight into this. I don't use the concept offered by other traditions, so I am not too familiar with them. They concepts themselves are really, really harmful to my own investigation, because they remove true curiousity and make genuine insight very difficult for me. What I basically do in my posts, when I write them, is trying to conceptualize what is in my awareness. I am actively doing that as I write the post. This means I know what I want to convey, but I don't know how. The concepts are constructed as I write the post. As I write the concepts out, I sometimes notice that what I am describing is actually something already known. For example I made many posts about the Weirdness and Impossibility of all Aspects of Isness, and as I look at that it seems like I am describing the concept of Illusion. It is quite interesting, but this is a really good showcase for how the concepts do not convey anything. See, what I was aware of seemed like nothing I ever heard of before. It didn't seem like the concept of Illusion I had in my head at all. I was infact struggling to conceptualize it at all. But as I did so, I started seeing the resemblence, and then I understood what the concept of Illusion was attempting to convey. What I am describing here seems to me to be something like Indra's net, but not quite. The circularity, the Cause Causing itself, I don't know what concept that is. It could be the Snake Eating itself, which is why I used that metaphor, but I don't know much about that concept and where it came from. Either way, I think the concepts will not help you, nor will the investigation of them help you, atleast if you are like me. I love exploring the unknown, and that seems to be only genuinely possible when I actually think it is unknown to me. When I had the Illusion insight, I was just focusing on the Isness of a rough surface, for example. I was really weirded out by what exactly that sensation is, and how different it is from other sensations. I wasn't meditating, I didn't have some silly intention to become conscious of something. I wasn't trying to investigate, I was just suddenly actually genuinely interested. It is spontanous, and it wasn't at all forced or planned. These kinds of insights don't really feel like you come to know something new. It is more like an unraveling of a knot of confusion that you previously felt was Reality. It's not that I can see circularity, it's that "Circular" is the best word I can use for this. I usually see images aswell, which would convey what I mean better I think, but I have no way of communicating those. I more and more understand what is meant by what Leo used to say about paradoxes and how they are a feature of reality, rather than a problem. The paradox doesn't seem impossible anymore, rather the mundane seems impossible, and the paradox is that which gives rise to the mundane.

It's difficult for me to give any advice because this always came naturally to me. I will have to contemplate this and see if I can develope some sort of way to convey how one might go about inquiring into this sort of thing.

You can look at it that way but it's not the case. Isness isn't linear but "circular". It's hard to talk about this if you haven't seen it yourself. The way you are framing the question already tells me that you are not conscious of certain aspects that will be necessary for you to have this conversation in a meaningful way.

The question you asked doesn't make sense. Everything is "biased" towards evolution of consciousness. That is inescapable.

Because that's not what Is.

Whether it is my ego replying to you or not is irrelevant to what I said. It is a bias towards the innocent. If it was a pig about to kill a human so that he could eat it, if he instead could choose to consume something else, I would kill the pig.

The Part seeks to have the Whole serve itself. In that way, the Part is serving the Whole. To realize that the Part is serving the Whole, is to realize that serving the Part is serving the Whole, and serving the Whole is serving the Part.

One of the fundamental aspects of higher consciousness understanding is that it happens from a position of recognizing the Will of God, instead of from a position of individualistic and partial desire. What exactly does this mean? It means that when most people consider something to be truthful, it is not pointing to the Will of God, but merely to a fraction of the Will of God. A person comes to understand the world through it's own egoic desires, rather than study the world as it is. The world as it is, completely, is the Will of God. Here is an example: You might say rape is bad, which means you deny the truthfulness of rape. You do this because you do not like rape. This is a fractioned part of the Will of God. Instead of looking at rape in it's relationship to yourself, look at rape in the relationship to all things that are. In this context rape is not merely bad, it infact is the pure Will of God. Without rape the world would not be. This is easy to recognize, but it still is a fractioned. To truly see the Will of God is to see rape for what it is, and the resistance towards rape for what it is. There is no need to say that rape is good or bad. All there is, is a recognition that rape exists and that there is resistance towards rape. Both these things are the Will of God. Rape is the Will of God, and so is the Resistance of Rape. This means you cannot escape the WIll of God whether you are the rapist or the one who hangs the rapist. You are doing the Will of God no matter what you do. To realize this means to recognize the direction of all Being as it is within the world. You do not look at the world for how it should be, but rather you look at the world for what it is. And what it is, is how it should be. How does this play out in practice? It is the difference between someone who wants socialism to happen, and someone who recognizes that Socialism is happening. It is the difference between someone who thinks it is good to kill all the jews, and someone who recognizes that all the jews are being killed. It is the difference between someone who thinks the jews should be saved, and someone who recognizes that the jews are being saved. Where reality is going comes from a place of what the world is, not what you want the world to be. Yet, we cannot deny that where we want the world to be is part of where the world is. The key insight here is the following. As we come to see the world for what it is, rather than focusing so much on how we want to it be, our want for the world will come into union with how the world is. In a strange way the Will of God has amplified itself. The fraction of the Will of God, which together with all other fractions makes up the whole of the Will of God, comes to recognize the whole of all of the Will of God and so amplifies the Whole. This is how Infinity works, it is self-amplification, self-multiplication, self-growth, Creativity that gives rise to Creativity. It is the Snake that gives Birth to itself. And that is where the world is and always has been. This is the trajectory and the cause. God doesn't just speak through the Fractions, he speaks through the Whole aswell. To him it doesn't matter where individual Fractions go, because by virtue of being part of the Whole, they inevitably contribute to the Whole. By virtue of being Love, they inevitably give rise to more. The point of End is part of the point of Beginning. Nothing is inevitable, nothing is predetermined, yet everything creates one particular thing. Whether the dinosaurs went extinct or not, whatever would have happened would have been contributing the the Will of God. What this means is that Creation is Free, yet all of it does really only one particular thing, and it all comes to one particular outcome. That outcome has no definition nor any limitation, it is not confined, yet it is there. Imagine you had the ability to create a World which will always create your desired outcome, but yet that world was completely free to express itself in any way it wants. That is the genius of this Creation. Each individual, by expressing it's own unique Free Will, contributes to the world in just the way it must. Imagine every little world, every planentary ecosystem, eventually would pop like a bubble of Love. Imagine hundreds of millions of those planets, infact infinite of them. Popping and popping like a firework. This is what every planet is going towards. Eventually it will just pop and be gone. But even more than the infinite planets that pop, there are infinite more that never pop, never even had life to begin with. And infinite more that had life but never popped and instead died before they could. If earth will not survive humanity, then it will become one of those planets. It will have never mattered though, because the very reasons for why this planet could not pop, are the reasons for why those infinite other planets do indeed pop like a firework. And now to understand how small you are, imagine all of the infinite multiverse with infinite universes with infinite planets popping in and out of existence in bursts of love. All of the history of this universe as a whole would be just a split second pop of a one of the infinite firework-sparkles. Now imagine all of those firework-sparkes having their own evolutionary pathway, evolving towards eventually creating a massive bubble of love that bursts. Now imagine that all of that is just another sparkle within an even bigger firework. This goes on forever and ever. That is how insignificant all life on earth is. Yet, it is only so relatively speaking, in relationship to each other. To God, every cell in your body is as significant as the Whole. As much Love is reserved for every little creature, every little fraction of the Whole. Infact, there is really no such thing as a Whole nor a Fraction. That itself is just an illusion, the Fraction and the Whole are one and the same thing. The very experience you are experience now is All there is. It is everything all of Existence holds and ever will hold. It doesn't matter whether you see it or not, because all the Enlightened Ones, all the Non-enlightened Ones, they are all here already. This is the snake eating itself while giving birth to itself. When you see all of this you will not be able to help yourself but contribute so that this very Fraction will be a servant of the whole. If you see that this Fraction of Love is what causes the Multiverse Firework of Love, you will not be able to resist but to become part of that Firework, as you infact already are. The Fraction will realize it is the Whole, and if it is the Whole, what else could it now do but to cause the Whole? The next time you listen to music, try to see that every little sound, every little experience is that Eternal Firework of Love. That Eternal Firework, all of that Evolution, just to cause itself, cause this very moment. The Eternal Firework bursting in just the right ways so that you would not see it for what it is. That is what this is. It is the Full and Complete Will of God. It is not Linear, it is Circular. All of the Multiverses and Planets and Civilizations, all of them together are nothing but this very moment you are experiencing right now. Unconsciousness is a fully Conscious and deliberate Illusion.