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This is a prime example of how love can heal a humans body, mind and soul. This is what the future of mankind looks like. Full of love and compassion. Some people think that loving and having compassion for others is a burden, but it is quite the opposite. It will be the foundation upon which our civilization will thrive. It will be what heals us and this planet. There is no difference between giving love and receiving it. This must be understood.

You do not disagree about the nature of Love. You disagree about your ideas about the nature of Love. It seems like someone here does not see the nature of Disagreement,

Yes I agree. It becomes weird when deeper things get deconstructed and it has an effect on the language usage. Then you have real trouble conceptualizing it all. This is why I have found images so useful lately. Visual conceptualization basically, or metaphorical sort of pointers. I get the "Inner Seeing" and the images instead of thoughts and the I have to describe the images. It is a very involved process in the entire body, which is also kind of difficult to put into language, as you can see people using words like "energies", "chakras" and so forth to capture this. It's all just so much simpler if you just do the work and don't bother conceptualizing it. The concepts are getting so paradoxical too at this point that I can hardly call them "sense-making". It's really just the mind taking notes as it goes along the journey. It's like taking sketches that make sense to itself. But all of that is unnecessary.

But this cannot happen on this forum. At that point, language is transcended. It can no longer be said. And that's where all the fun begins. In silence and love. And that's all that we need to do. This talking is just distraction, quite literally. It is monkey mind. It takes our attention away. This is why I don't like talking about any of this. Talking and thinking is the worst possible tool to use for any of this. It's like the opposite of what you want to use. But then we go around and use it to create a map. Instead of the map, why not take other types of actions more appropriate. After all, what about a being that cannot talk or conceptualized? How will you show to them your love? This is what I mean with poetry being treated like science. All of these assumptions are just blabbering. That's all it is. They shouldn't be treated so seriously, as if our lifes were on the line depending upon what kind of concepts we use. Well, that's kind of what it is isnt it. The egos ass is on the line.

They are little love creation machines. And they don't even have to do anything to create the love, they just have to be themselves. The love they create within you, that is what you should thank them for. Imagine if there was a God and he created all of this, and he loved all of his Creation. Imagine how much Love it would give him, yet at the same time he would be the one giving the Love.

Precisely. This is why answers are not the means by which this work is encouraged, but rather questions. The question will make you start to look, and that is all you need. If you have an answer, you have a nice fancy answer you can look at. You will take your answer and you will put it on a shelve. And from there you will observe your answer, you will masturbate to it. The answer will consume your attention. The question is not important, what is important is the fact that it will make you look for an answer. The trick is to never find an answer, but to rather look until you See.

Sometimes it seems like people forget that this work is about Seeing. It is not about realizing, concluding, understanding, knowing. The Truth is Seen, it is not understood. The understanding of that which is seen is just a thought to make sense. To make sense is to survive. That's all. You cannot disagree about Seeing, you can only disagree about realizations, conclusions, understanding and knowledge. Seeing itself is just Seeing, there is nothing to be disagreed about there. That which I see is that which I see, and that which you see is that which you see. Seeing can be replaced with being. Knowledge is seen, but knowledge is not Seeing. Disagreement really is just an illusion.

@Leo Gura I cannot imagine that you are unaware of this. I will try to use more precise language. You cannot disagree nor agree about Isness. You can only disagree or agree about interpretations, thoughts and concepts you have that you call Isness. Anything you agree or disagree about is necessarily a thought, as disagreement and agreement is itself a thought.

You are correct, you cannot agree nor disagree about Isness! Never made such a claim that I am survival free, I wouldn't be here talking to if I were, lol.

I never said life can be lived without interpretation, infact I said the exact opposite. I said that interpretation is solely a function of survival. You seem to not see what I am pointing to when I refer to Isness. You cannot disagree about Isness, you can only disagree about belief. Not a single person in all of existence has ever disagreed about Isness. Infact, disagreement itself is Isness. I also never said that interpretations or assumptions stop. They belong in the realm of survival, and it seems like humans like to turn everything into a game of survival, even spirituality.

Time-stamped an interesting point. This is what I mean by Explorer vs Master. The Explorer will come back and have an urgency to talk about his experience, because it is not actual for him. It was temporary and is now gone, so he has to use his memory and concepts to attempt to communicate it. The master has no true need to do this, because it is his lived experience. He will be able to show the experience through the way he is, not just by the concepts he is communicating. Infact, the explorer is so excited about sharing his memories that he will not take into consideration whether or not what he will say will be detrimental to the flourishing of those with whom he is communicating. The explorers priority is sharing, rather than recreating the experience, expanding it into others.

This moment right now is god's end game.

No, I am working within your philosophical framework at the moment. To me it is irrelevant whether I myself come to conclude anything about reality. That to me is a function of survival. I cannot take it seriously anymore. The entire "This is the way it is!" idea to me is a function of ego. It has no other purpose. This is why only the human mind does this, because it has evolved to do so. No other mind has a need to do this, because what is, simply is. Isness does not need to be discovered, revealed, nor spoken of. I do not like the intellectual approach to this because it is so ridicilous. It is liking reading a poem and calling it science. That's not what this is. This is just music. But it is sold as if it was something else. It is like a chimp in a business suit. It turns Life into categories and sentences. This is the trap Connor is in. He listens to his thoughts, he interprets. But there is no need to interpret anything. There is no need to teach anyone. There is no one to save, to made more conscious. To me the stories Connor tells himself are not different than the entire story about non-duality, realitivity, absolutes and everything else. It's poetry that the mind has a tendency to call science. You cannot disagree about Isness. You can only ever disagree about a belief.

The question I am asking is, is Love imaginary or not?

The question is how do you ever truly see whether you are not conflating relative and absolute notions? Conflating them presupposes that you are unconscious of it. Again and again we find that when we come to say "I have seen it all, I cannot be wrong about this, this is the whole and absolute Truth." that then we came out and said "No wait, there is actually a layer deeper, what I thought I saw was not the end, it was not the whole Truth!".

But if I go into the deepest layers of reality and it disagrees with you or or any other teacher, what would that fundamentally mean? You would certainly call me delusional. You would say "You did not actually reach the deepest layers of reality, otherwise you would have seen what I have seen!". Imagine everyone took psychedelics and were to come to conclude fundamentally different things. And all of them would claim they became conscious of the deepest layers of reality. What would that mean to you?

Do you see these kind of traps in yourself aswell? It is interesting to me that this kind of Absolute Reality mindvirus is a feature of the awakening process. It seems like anything could be perceived to be Absolute Reality. You made claims in the past that you were healing your body directly during a psychedelic experience. How can you be so certain of this? How do you know this happened rather than it just being a lower form of imagination which your mind projects to be undeniable? Connor is as certain of the claims he is making as you are. He views them as reality, not assumptions. It is interesting. I wonder, if you could not disprove or prove the fact that you were able or unable to heal yourself through imagination, would you then say that you were doing just because it seemed to be Absolutely the case? In other words, does it take a process of invalidation to finally make you realize you have been delusional? If that was the case, we have a problem, because then we can question anything you are so absolutely certain about. But some of the claims you make are outside of that which can be invalidated. These are epistemic question I have no idea how you could possibly answer. You would have to claim that everyone would say the very same things you say if they were to experience the same. If they were to have the experience of Reality being Love, it would be impossible for them to believe that it was not actually the Ground of Reality. But you haven proven this at all. What if it will be disproven? What if there will be someone who has seen more than you and who will still claim it's all just illusion, that it all is a projection of the mind. That Reality instead is Empty, as Ralston would say. That the whole Love stick is nothing but Maya.

Many things can happen on this path, this is why in traditions it is done under the supervision of a guide.

Unexpected turn of events.

Quite interesting. I make the biggest progess whenever I throw out all the concepts I have learned about enlightenment, non-duality and so forth. My mind requires true curiousity to look deeply enough to get a glimpse of something.

The just brought Trump on in the public hearing. This is getting so desperate.

I also feel like this new dynamic changes Spiral Dynamics fundamentally. We cannot expect the same progession through the spiral to happen when we have such a large regressive force which basically co-opts the worst of the human mind. It would be foolish to just take a model that came from a pre-internet era and pretend like it would be accurate in the time of internet algorythms.