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It's Leo's lack of wisdom and social isolation. If he wants to teach he should get in person experience and get the feedback he clearly needs to see. Leo has been completely dogmatic about the way he teaches since years now, all under the umbrella of it being his style and him wanting to not compromise the "Truth". I never said Leo should stop teaching spirituality, your response here is childlike. I am saying he should adjust his teachings and be a responsible human being.

This is unbelievably irresponsible and gaslighting. You guys should have compassions for your brothers and sisters, not blame them because they lost their plot. But of course you don't believe in morality, so who cares if you are being considerate to others. Oh yes, the backtracking. One day you say this is the Absolute Truth, and then when someone discovers the Absolute Truth for themself and kills themselves, it's all just a theory and you should have never been certain. How can people who claim to do consciousness work be so clueless to what they are doing? You are showing zero compassion, zero responsiblity.

Yes, but don't tell this anyone. But also, tell this everyone because I like to be edgy and confront everyone with the Truth.

See, Leo can deal with his ideology because he is an exceptionally cautious person. Someone like Connor will react completely different to the same ideas and experiences. He won't be as cautious. A solid teaching would take this into account. You can't just assume that everyone will deal with all of this like you do because you think you are being reasonable. That's not how any of this works. This is why talking to a camera is so dangerous. You don't get the feedback, you don't see how people react to what you say. You don't see the consequences. You are doing an experiment and are completely blind to what is even going on. You assume that you are being wise, but you are unwilling to even test yourself. That is the opposite of wisdom.

You don't have to lie about anything. The point is that you can't market this to the masses and be edgily truthful because you think bruteforcing ideology into the brains of clueless people will help them. It's not at all insane to leap to your death if you are truly convinced of what Leo is saying. It makes 100% sense to be certain when Leo claims you can only trust your experience. I mean what do you think this leads to if you tell this to a person? Yes, people don't necessarily belief in objective morals. But they do believe in their own mortality, and that other beings exist, and that reality contains suffering, and most importantly they lack conviction that all of reality is Perfection. But sure, just ignore this. If you cannot be wise, reality will make you wise through suffering.

Right, but you also say that other sentient beings don't exist and are only a figment of your imagination. So what is it? Are there sentient beings that are unconscious and get fucked up by his actions or are there not? I thought it was all a dream that you are imagining? See how you will squirm and wiggle so that you can uphold your moral beliefs? You claim that morality is delusional, and then you go about preaching like a catholic priest how things are fucked up. But how can things be fucked up if everything is Goodness? Maybe it's you who has to see the Goodness here, and you are just projecting. None of this makes sense, this is why these things happen. Yes, and this is precisely why this will all be forgotten.

This won't work. You can't just tell someone "Suicide and self harm is wrong! But also, morality is illusiory, everything including rape and torture is Love and Perfection. And by the way you can't die because you are God!". You give this knowledge to a child, he will cut himself with it. This is inevitable. This is serious stuff here, you can't just market it to the masses and expect everything to go well. The disclaimers are nothing but PR games. There is a reason why spiritual traditions that were successful did not spout "radical truth" to everyone on the street, telling them "You are God, I am God, it's all a dream!". If Buddhism did this it wouldn't exist today. Secondly, these traditions all firmly establish and importance in morality. There is a reason for this, it's not just "stage blue absolutism". None of the stuff Leo is teaching has been tested for more than a decade, nor do we even truly know the results. We have a confirmation bias of people just praising him. You have no idea how many people already killed themselves because of this. But better pretend like it's not your responsibility. I'm sure with an attitude like that, these teachings will stand the test of time.

It should not be surprising, the philosophy Leo is using to describe spirituality is even more radical than this. Connor is a good example of this too. If you say everything is Good and Love, it is simply illogical to claim that it is better to do X. This philosophy claims to recognize that torture and rape is Perfection. Not just suicide. This is another reason why you ought to be careful about how you construct this philosophy. See, if people truly believe what you say, the might blow themselves up together with others for Jihad. And then what do you do as a teacher? You say "No no, this is bad PR, this is wrong! When I said everything is Good and Perfect, I actually meant you should behave morally because it's stupid to behave immorally!". Are you sure? See, because you are contradicting yourself, if someone truly believes what you say with actual conviction, he will laugh at you, as Connor does at Leo when he tries to tell him what he is doing is "bad". Clearly in one moment you say it's bad and in the other you say it's Perfection. You tell him whatever fits your agenda. And he will clearly see this if he truly and fully is convinced that reality is perfection, or that it is a dream, or anything else. See, if reality is a dream, every excuse for why you should not torture someone goes out the window. You can pretend like this is not the case, but it is.

Ah, this also happens when you call the animal holocaust a holocaust and people go crazy over it saying it's downplaying what happened in WW2, and then you pull the utlimate jewish holocaust survivor card who calls what happens to animals an eternal treblinka. Ironically it is those who condemn comparing these things to each other who are the ones using these atrocities to justify their own actions.

No, you are overthinking this. Too much analysis. Monkey mind won't help you.

See this is where I think you are missing a piece of the puzzle. But it really doesn't matter.

See, this is the dogma I am trying to point out. You have already completely given up on the highest enlightened state for Truth itself. This unawareness, this is the Truth that you sacrifice "Infinite Love" for. That is the most selfless act. It's not going back to being selfless, that's selfish! To be truly selfless is to make ego, suffering and separation reality by letting go of the "highest Truth". See, we can frame this any way we want. My framing isn't more truthful than yours. But notice how to take this "path" seriously you really need to pretend that your view is more truthful. You might intellectually agree with me, but deep down you actually do give more importance to your own viewpoint. Otherwise it wouldn't be your viewpoint. And that's okay. Leo's entire philosophy contains like subtle morality. When he calls people devils for example, he implies some sort of objective "goal". But I could equally frame him for being a devil because he is escaping the most Selfless state because he is suffering. Now it would be silly to do this, but equally it is silly to call a mother a devil because her love is limited to her child. That blindness is precisely what is so selfless ironically!

No I am just using this language because people here use it, it's all nonsense, literally. None of it is "true" at all. People on this forum don't have the problem that they don't know all the intellectual in and outs of models of enlightenment that you, Leo and others provide. None of this helps them, they know all of this shit. You are just circle jerking around pretending you are teaching others. Most people here have the problem that they just think and interpret too much and spend way too much in the thinking mode of their mind, including even during meditation and tripping. They take all of this way too seriously, including the need to get to the path. It doesn't matter, it shouldn't be so stuck up and full of self importance. People actually think getting enlightened is more important than any other aspect of life. This only makes sense if you are suffering or have attachments, like wanting to know "truth". Nobody needs to get enlightened, there is no point. If you want to, sure, but you will end up being unenlightened anyways. Where do you think you come from in the first place? There is no need for recognizing and becoming aware of any of this. You already have been and at that point you decided to become this very "unawareness" that you are. If I was talking to different people, I would make up a whole different story, but this is the story that is appropriate here in my eyes.

You mean people outside of Japan hate it.

@Inliytened1 Maybe this language will help you: You know how you think it takes consciousness to realize you are God and Love and Nothingness? It takes awareness? Well, imagine one day you become so aware that you literally dissolve into Godhood, into literally Infinite Awareness. You know what this Infinite Awareness will become aware of? It will literally be so aware that it will make itself aware of being separate from itself. It will realize that it is not God, that it is a monkey sitting here suffering. It will be so aware that it will become unaware. That's true awareness. That is Ultimate Awareness. That is Ultimate Consciousness. It is Infinitely Powerful. It is literally Magic. That's how "conscious" all of us are. You cannot top that, because it's the Ultimate. Indeed. I am quite calm my brother, but I agree none of this makes sense. Unless we pretend it does.

See, all of this nonsense that there is nobody to suffer and that suffering is an illusion is something that you can only pretend to be true because you pretended there was suffering which you got over in the first place. None of this is deeper, more truthful than the rest. Suffering is as real as literally anything you could possibly say, think or become aware of. The hierarchy of realness of that you came up with is just as real as my non-hierarchy of realness. That's the entire point of realness! You can make anything real! If suffering was not real, if the one who suffers was not real, then reality wouldn't be infinite. It would be limited to whatever your little chimp mind happened to think after whatever happened to it. Your deconstruction is as "unreal" as anything else. When you unravel it all, you will find yourself right back where you began. The deconstruction is the construction of that which is being deconstructed.

But there is. Just because you are pretending that there isn't doesn't mean that there is no pretending that there is! I can draw whatever I want, what else would I draw? I agree with you brother, but we are both wrong.

Here is the path: You sit down, you get enlightened. You get enlightened again. You get so enlightened that you return to being normal. You get so enlightened that you realize that everyone around you has always been enlightened and has already achieved the full path. You realize there is nobody who is unaware of anything. They are all conscious of the ultimate nature of existence, they are all aware of that which you have spent years to become aware of. They have deconstructed it all. Infact, they have deconstructed it all so much, that the only last thing you have to achieve their final level of enlightenment, is to forget completely about enlightenment, truth and all the nonsense you have gathered. And then you suffer, you suffer as you always have. That is your sacrifice and your ultimate Truth. You cry about how you want to stop suffering, and seek, utterly aware, but blind to the truth. Your blindness is your ultimate awareness. And one day, you decide you want to seek truth and love. And you sit down so you get enlightened.

Their quest for rightness and truth is as futile as the philosophers quest for moral reality. It's all just overthinking. Protect your thoughts at all costs, because without them, what will you have left?

There is no path, there is no ground to see There is nothing to achieve. It's not important at all. You don't have to be anything before you can be everything without friction. You made all of this up and you are pretending it is real. That's the point.

Ground them in what? Ground them why? This is an attempt of survival. There is nothing to ground, there is nothing to understand. There is no such thing as maturity, there is no such thing as integration. That's all what you made up to justify survival. Everything is nonsense, that's the entire point. To make sense out of it means to unravel it. To realize the ground means to see it was never there and fall right through it. You can create any ground. Leo is creating his own personal ground. You can create your personal ground. The thing is that because the ground is made of nothing at all, you can make anything of it you please! Because it's nothing! Nothing doesn't need anything to exist, it needs no cause, it needs no justification, it needs no Truth of itself. To remember the Circle means to forget it. There is no reason to it, it simply is.

Why did they only strike one of the videos?

The problem with these criticisms is that they are just assertions and so surface level it shows that the people who posit them usually don't even have any kind of sophisticated intellectual development. It's just lazy, there is not even anything to respond to. These people aren't even being rational or scientific, it's pure sophistry.

I love how oranges have to take any opportunity to "debunk" veganism lol. They get triggered by it even if it's not the topic at hand.