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It is very interesting, because animals basically are very much akin to small children in terms of their cognition, yet we completely accept raping, slaughtering and enslaving them for our own convenience. Imagine we had a child that would most likely die around 15 years of age and would remain stuck in the mind of a 2-3 year old. Imagine if we took millions of these kinds of children and raped and murdered them so that we can eat their corpses or drink some fluids of theirs. In an objective sense, our culture is completely backwards. Being a meat eater for example is in practice causing far more harm, in an objective sense, to child-like beings than most pedophiles cause with their pedophelia, even if they are predators. We treat innocent, child-like beings worse than we treat pedophiles and mass murderers. And we also treat them worse than predators treat children and mass murderers treat their murder victims.

I don't know if ostracization prevents any terrorism from happening. It seems to me that social isolation is more likely to cause terrorism. The issue here is, if a pedophile simply is a pedophile, and you tell him he is evil for simply being a pedophile, then the step to raping children is much smaller, because society already views them as evil, and they already have to keep their nature a secret. If you ostracize pedophiles, all you will basically have is people hiding their pedophilia, which might increase the likelihood of depravity actually taking place. If they were integrated into society, it would most likely be A) easier to monitor and treat them and B) allow them a life where they will feel like they benefit from adhering to social norms. The more difficult question would be, how could we even achieve this kind of destigmatization without falling into different kind of pitfalls that would negatively effect society, and how can we even talk about this without the conversation immediately being rejected. Pedophilia is so stigmatized that people who make arguments in defense of pedophiles (not child abuse, just the individuals who are afflicted by this condition), will be suspected to be pedophiles themselves. As it stands, we have no idea how many teachers are pedophiles. In my personal experience I had multiple teachers who I suspect had such kind of tendencies, aswell as a school bus driver I remember. We have an opportunity cost, by not shining a light into this darkness, we put children at risk that otherwise might not be.

But that's just your opinion, none of this is objective whatsoever. I view morality as something metaphysical, not just something humans come up with. Morality means preference, and firstly, all conscious beings have preferences, not just humans. Just because someone cannot communcate their morality, or symbolize it via language, does not mean it is not present. So you are just asserting that only humans have anything to say about morality, but that might simply only be because humans can speak. And then you are saying, that morality is about those wants of those individuals who can speak. It is a nice structure you have created for yourself where you can undermine the prefererences of anything that cannot speak, and infact you will most likely ignore other ways individuals communicate with you and deem it is irrelevant to morality. None of this is objective, and all of it is simply a way to justify your view of human supremacy. I could also create a nice little ideology that ties morality to be exclusive to white people, or somehow that it is tied to evolution, nature and natural selection as the nazi's successfully did. It was very popular back then, and the desire to construct these kinds of ideologies is no different in you than it was in Adolf Hitler.

You frame morality in an objectivist way and then you proceed to completely subjectively draw the line on what you determine to be worthy of moral consideration. Who says that that's what morality is all about? And why do draw the line at people? Why is it not your race? Or all mammals?

It's the guy who said it's okay to pay for CP knowing that the money would be used to continue to produce more of it, because "all consumption under capitalism is unethical and therefore, all consumption under capitalism is ethical".

The two are a good fit because they both basically showcase limitations of stage green dysfunctionality. It is interesting to observe, because we know that new stages are precisely build due to the limitations of previous stages, and if you followed Destiny you could see it happen step by step in him.

To be clear, his argument is that he will be able to allocate the money in a more efficient and socially benefitial way than the government because he already established his ability to create jobs and so forth for the people by creating a large business. It is basically a dictator mindset, that he will use power in a more efficient way than a government elected by the people.

The interview is about 3 hours. He basically explained that he was always like this, and that he refuses to censor himself. It got him into so much trouble in high school that he was arrested because he said "Everyone who says they never thought about shooting up a school is lying.". He goes into further detail how he has an inability to censor himself, that it just feels very uncomfortable to him and that he would rather die. Fair enough.

I am not sure that he is yellow at all, it seems like the way he acts is more due to early trauma and personality. https://youtu.be/aKx4Y9ErxVA?t=3327 It looks like he fell into this kind of role and therefore naturally came to see certain limitations of certain stages. Also you guys have to remember that Spiral Dynamics is based upon the idea of integrating each stage and evolving up the spiral. For much of what you call "stage green" today, is not actually a healthy and normal transition through the spiral, as a lot of people lack earlier stage development like stage blue. You can often see a stark difference between people who had an early religious upbringing for example and reached stage green, and people who never had that in their life. We have not really replaced religions with any other institution that could fascilitate functional stage blue identities.

I don't think what you suggests is politically viable or even practical. Another solution here could be to change social norms, or be patient and watch them adapt. Women and men will have to change how they pick their partners, as the world is changing. And I don't see how this problem is unique to Black People, is that not happening in pretty much all demographics?

My disagreement is not that you do not make relative distinctions, but rather that you have unconscious biases that undermine your goal of harmony and unity. You have a spiritual bias, you undermine the idea of bias, as if you wanted to achieve full unbiasedness. But reality is fundamentally biased. Every single atom in this universe has bias, without that bias, nothing could even exist, because there could not possibly be something rather than nothing. You would argue that humanity should go beyond morality, and simply act consciously and lovingly. That to me fundamentally misunderstands what Love does. Love simply amplifies and creates bias. Love does not prefer anything over anything else. If you were perfectly Loving and had no bias, you would simply be God. You would not be a human who acts in a compassionate manner. Acting in a compassionate manner, after enlightenment, is only so because of your human bias. Whatever your bias will be, will be how you will act. Some people who have a certain bias will rape people when they get enlightened, because that is what Love will amplify. Raping and torturing another is Pure Love, and only bias could make you prefer to rape someone or to prefer not to rape someone. The construction, your humanity, is the only thing that allows for action, for preference. And that is bias. Evolution will always select for certain biases, and that is why humanity is the way it is, and why it has the biases it does, and why it will evolve the biases it will evolve. What allows you to say debates about morality are stupid, is morality. Morality is preference, nothing more, nothing less. In that way, even the atoms of this universe have a particular moral code. Yes, it is an illusion, but everything is. If you disintegrate this Preference Making Process, you will simply dissolve into Nothingness. That is not what Evolution is here for. Evolution does precisely the opposite. Everything that has bias continues, and everything that has not returns to no thingness. That is precisely the wisdom of this reality. You cannot use Love to decide anything, you can only use it to energize that which is. And more fundamentally even, all of these biases are Love, so there is nothing to even distinguish here. What this teaches us is that spirituality is like anything else, a bias. A bias that to be uphold, must survive. For that bias to exist, you have to participate in survival. And that makes you no different from anything else in this existence. And furthermore, you only care about it because you are human. An ant does not care. This is a good metaphor for what Love does:

I think this is Naive, the construction and evolution of morality is part of the Highest Consciousness. WIthout it, you wouldn't be here talking about how morality is irrelevant, you would be hunted by a lion and crying about how much it hurts to get eaten alive. It is precisely because badness does not exist, that it must be constructed. If everyone became Ultimate Consciousness, without any constructed morality, they would rape, murder and enslave each other for fun, because none of that actually is devilry. The only reason why it is devilry to you is because you are a human, and you have been born in this culture, in this time, with a brain that has encoded with the illusion of goodness and badness. You cannot help but undermine different aspects of Isness, that is part of Ultimate Wisdom and Ultimate Good. Debates about morality are infinite Wisdom, and the construction of badness is Infinitely Wise and Necessary and Good. Survival Biases are Good, they are Divine, they are Perfection. People who debate morality understand exactly what they need to understand, they are in Perfect Harmony, in Perfect Union. As are you, as you perpetuate the same thing you critize your brothers and sisters for. You cannot help it, you are the best evidence for how Ignorance is WIsdom. You have your own little biases, that you wouldn't have if you wouldn't be Leo, or Human, or born today and in this time. And you pretend as if they were somehow different from debating morality, or that it was not in the same way stupid. Badness exist as much as anything in existence exists.

I don't dislike humanity, did you read my initial post?

I don't agree with this, humanity never really lived in harmony with nature, we have caused extinctions and destruction for tens of thousands of years, aswell as killing each other in tribalistic manners. Identity has expanded over time, and it is now more expansive than it has ever been before. It is precisely because of nature that we behave this way. Our fear, our selfishness, is informed by our legacy. Nature does not mind rape, murder, torture, selfishness, sexism, racism, speciesism. Nature thrives in suffering and ignorance. Nature's wisdom is of a different kind, the kind that made us what we are today.

And that you do by making humans care about animals, by extending their identity.

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That is precisely the trap of biased empathy. In a world in which white people prioritize compassion for white people, white people do not actually prosper the most, and harmony does optimally flourish. It is precisely the extention of compassion and identity that allows for completely new solutions to arise that were previously not accessible. Due to our lack of compassion for all individuals, we create harm in the world that directly effects us, as it has to be in a world that is interconnected. This is the counter intuitive nature of progress. When there is a school shooting, ironically to create more harmony and unity, we need to extend our compassion to the one who has committed the school shooting, and individuals who have the potential to do so in the future. It is precisely our lack of compassion here that perpetuates this problem, because our lack of compassion, our bias, is blinding us to the solution. A tremendous amount of suffering in the world, especially in the third world, is caused by our inability to extend our identity towards animals. If we did respect animals, we would have to respect nature. The current way we seek to motivate action towards sustainability and against the destruction of nature, is by self-interested fear. You will not solve these issues by that kind of means, as global failure to tackle and resolve existential threats has proven to us. However, by extending identity, we actually teach people to be less selfish, or in other words to have a more universal sense of self. We do not simply tell them to care about the environment because they might in the future potentially suffer from it if they live long enough, rather it can only happen if they recognize the immediate suffering that presents itself before them. You will never have people care about school shooters out of fear that more school shootings will happen, there has to be genuine compassion for that. Animals are humans, the only difference is morphology and slightly altered minds. Because of this, if you can show no compassion towards an animal, it is inevitable that this blindness will affect humans. The reason for this is that, that which you truly should care about, which is the experiencer, is equal in all individuals. Only once this is recognized will humanity be able to overcome the current issues it is facing. If it will not, it will perish sooner or later, inevitably, and so it should be. The issue is, to truly care about humans, you have to care about animals, because they are the same. If you do not care about animals, you do not truly care about humans. You do not care about the experiencer. And as long as that is the case, your society will be blind to it's own ignorance, to it the unnecessary suffering it is manifesting and perpetuating. If someone you love were to be turned into a pig, you would still care about them, every bit of suffering that pig would feel would be as bad to you as it would if they were a human. And once you realize that, you will realize why you need to care about everyone, no matter the shape of their body or state of their mind. To the degree to which you care less about animals, will be the degree to which you lack compassion towards humans. This is by the way why identity keeps extending. We see no difference between races, because there is no difference that is relevant. And so it is true for species. If you recognize that which is Truth, you will have complete compassion, not partial, biased compassion. And your idea that you could have ever achieved unity without first realizing this will seem silly to you. Here is a good way to showcase how distorted your viewpoint is: not prioritizing white people compassion is slower progress for black people, white people are the priority now, here

There is a time for everything, don't be a try-hard.

So I have difficulty imagining things visually and was wondering if anyone knows some techniques, maybe used in yoga or such, to train it to get better.

One of the most fundamental things you can be grateful for is the fact that you can make the Choice of being Grateful. Trillions of your brothers and sisters will never be able to decide to be Grateful, and those who are human, most will never reach the consciousness to consider to take this choice. Notice the power that was given to you, the miracle of choice, to determine your own perception. Truly, this is one of the things you can be most grateful for. Look at yourself, and the miracle you are. You have the potential to create Love and Harmony in this world and yourself, just by the power of choosing what you pay attention to. On the other hand you could create Hell, for yourself and others. Notice how many in this world do so. You have the capacity to think of only the negative things for every hour of every day of he year that you are awake. To contemplate all the negativity in this world, what is wrong with the world, with yourself with others. That infact is a very easy choice to make, to give in to your fear, to be defined by your fear, to let fear guide your thoughts and actions. What makes humanity special is not our intelligence, but our capacity to make a conscious choice between Love and Fear. And notice that this choice is your Freedom. That it would not be worth anything, it would not be a choice, if you were not given the opportunity to choose Fear over Love. The fact that Love has to be your free, conscious choice, is what renders it Love in the first place. If it was forced upon you, if it was not a result of Wisdom, if, well, it was not out of Love, it would not be Love. So, what you can be most grateful for is the fact that you can choose between Love and Fear. Between Gratefulness and Dissatisfaction. Get in touch with this gift you were given brothers and sisters. Connect yourself to it, realize how special it is, how it is not at all a given in this world, a given even in your own life. This Free Choice is a direct connection to True Free Will. Because whatever you will choose, that is actually you, God, making a choice out of pure Love. If you choose fear, it will be because you wanted it.

The concept of duality is used to serve a function. Dualities conceptually are extremely useful for humans, and most practical too. In most instances, fear and love will be in opposition. To deem a non-dual perspective to be more truthful or valid than that is itself a duality, and part of the same process of conceptualization. It is indeed very helpful to look at the world this way sometimes. You are still too focused on deconstruction.

This is an assumption.

You have no insight into what Will is and what Free Will is. You are confusing some fundamental aspects of reality. Your question is basically why Objects do not have Free Will, why Manifestations, why Creation, has no Free Will. This is the issue. Free Will is that which gives rise to all things, to all Creation, to all Manifestation. Free Will is the First Cause, the Groundless Ground. Your Humanity, your limitation, that is the Expression of your Free Will. You have all the Power, you have All Wisdom, you have All Love. And what you did with all this wisdom, with all this power, with all this love, is to create this. This very Moment, your state, your suffering, your joy, whatever it is that Is. That is what you are creating out of pure Free Will, out of Infinite Wisdom and Love, including the very issue you are struggling with. You are the Creative Process of God, you are Free Will. This is God proper. This is it. There is no more. That is what you can realize. You cannot look for it anywhere, because this is it. The tail you are chasing is attached to you, all you must realize is that it is already a part of you, that there is no point in chasing it. The Hiddenness you describe, that is it. You are looking at this all wrong. You think there is something special that is underneath all of this, that is behind all of this. That somehow, there is a hidden substance that you must discover. That beyond all of this mundane stuff, there is a core more Truthful, more Pure, more Real. It is precisely the opposite. That which you confuse for the most mundane, that which you call "being a human with 0 free will", that is the Godhead. That is Pure Freedom. That is the Ultimate, the Absolute, Truth, Pure Divinity, Pure Love. See, you look at the color red, and you go "Argh damnit, this boring color Red, I have seen enough of it. I want to get to the juicy stuff, I want to get to God, to Love! I want the special sauce! I want Strangeloops and Explosions of Infinity and Multidimensional Fractals!". But Redness is the Special Sauce. That is what you are blind to. You just have to realize that what you have is already all there is.

Anyone ever find evidence that he won a tournament in China?