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It's so funny we live in a reality where there is a real chunk of truth in what Jordan Peterson has so long been talking about in regards to marxists: And I still blame social media for most of it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/13/world/middleeast/hamas-iran-israel-attack.html?smid=nytcore-android-share If you don't have access to nytimes you can read it here: Note that this is not about freeing palestinians. This is primarily about a general Arab-Israel conflict. It's important to remember this because the perpetrators of this act did not do it for the sake of the palestinian people. It seems there is confirmed intel now that this is supposed to be the first step to a total war with Israel which seeks to destroy the state entirely.

It's actually sad to see how many leftists conflate Hamas with valid palestinian resistance. If they had immediately spoken out about Hamas this way, and subsequently criticizes Israel, people would have much more sympathy for their cause now. The lefts response would have been akin to a vegan terrorist killing a bunch of meat eaters, and then all the vegans going "Free the animals!" as an immediate response while refusing to condemn the terrorist action. You lost the plot at that point, and you are actually destroying your own cause. Not only that, you will encourage far more unnecessary suffering because of you childish refusal of criticizing your own side, which you should not even view as your own side in the first place.

Some of the points being made here should give you a clue to how multi-fasceted this issue is. There are a lot of near-unsolvable issues that all contribute to the current state this region is in.

This is not necessarily true, see the post above where I describe self-perpetuating dynamics. There is a reason for Israeli policy. While some of it is irrational right wing nonsense (which also has it's causes), much of it simply is a result of the dynamic at play. If you are going to pretend Israel is an all powerful god like entity that will not be biased towards itself then you are not engaging with reality in a way that will lead to positive outcomes for anyone. You should take some time and read up on the history of the conflict and what lead up to the decisions being made, from a perspective that is biased towards Israel. How can you not see how naive this is? Israel's existence is not at all guaranteed, and just because they might be able to defend themselves from two fronts does not mean that is a rational action from their point of view. What do you think "defending" entails? It would lead to killing of civilians and war, likely far more than it is now. You are demanding from Israel far more than is reasonable, and your inability to recognize this is directly related to why this problem will not be solved. This is what leftists do. They will tell white people how they are privileged, and in some sense this is true. But you fail to realize that none of that matters when the white people you address themselves suffer and don't feel privileged at all. You cannot demand from white people to act impartially just because there "white privilege" exists. These are human beings, they are as flawed and self-interested and anyone else. Telling them they shouldn't be self interested and suffer silently because of systemic racism is just not productive whatsoever. If you have neighbours that literally want to genocide and destroy your state, do you think you would give them the ability to build a state apparatus they then could use against you in ways that might, over the long term compromise your entire security? How biased do you have to be to not see that this is a demand that is completely irrational. No state would act this way, it would be genuinely idiotic to do so. This problem cannot be resolved with such a naive, one sided, moralistic approach. You can throw around blame and who is more responsible and powerful as long as you want, if you don't realize this, you will simply not understand why this conflict persists.

You are moralizing again. This is irrelevant. The major reason for this isn't just trauma, but ideological indoctrination by islamist actors. They are making the problem 10x worse. You can have valid frustration, and then bad faith actors who exploit that valid frustration not in the interest of the population itself but in the interest of their own goals. This is what is occuring in gaza under Hamas. It makes peace simply impossible, independent of how Israel acts.

You are not putting pressure on Israel, you are showcasing your lack of maturity and sensitivity. You are encouraging blind acts of terrorism and you are encouraging blind acts of retaliation. If you don't know how to protest the oppression of the palestinian people in a mature and intelligent way, then it is better to simply remove yourself from this issue, because your potential to cause harm is greater than your potential to cause peace.

Protest in such a way as to not cause more harm than good. Blindly screeching free palestine during and after terrorists killed almost 2000 civilians is a sure way to motivate further conflict and self-righteousness on both sides. In fact, this attitude is one factors that contributed to the occurance of World War 2 and the holocaust.

But this is not true, see the polling data and my post expanding on the idea of naive empathy. This kind of thinking is what adds conflict and harm, because it lacks an understanding of human nature and self-perpetuating dynamics.

There is a simple mistake in thinking that is occuring here, and leftists have a tendency to fall for this trap: It is the assumption that once you remove the cause for a dynamic, the dynamic will disappear as well. This is true to some degree, but what is being missed here is that usually what occurs is that the dynamic develops a self-perpetuating mechanism. You can see this all over nature in general, and in relation to social dynamics, we can see this manifesting as cultural attitudes and ideologies. In this case, there is a false assumption that if we remove the conditions which caused frustration and hatred in the gazans/palestinians, that they then will also lose the attitude that are a result of that frustration. But this is far from guaranteed, because at some point the frustration manifests as a cultural attitude that is self-perpetuating. At that point, you can remove the initial causative condition and yet see no change in attitudes as well, in fact it might lead to the opposite, a bolstering of those attitudes. You see this in practice with how stage green interacts with stage red in the US, through naive empathy and solidarity actually harming the victmized person as a result of not understanding their state of being. This can encourage destructive behaviour, rather than actually help mitigate it. The "Free Palestine" movement is precisely this type of harmful dynamic. It encourages self-righteousness and blind hatred in the victims, causing them to act in ways that will bring more harm to them. There is a version of this that could have been helpful, but the movement is so infested with blind hatred and rage that all this will do is cause more blind hatred and rage. This is a huge blindspot for stage green.

See the polling data. Hamas, nor palestinian, view a two state solution as acceptable. If a two state solution did occur, they would fight until all of palestine was freed, and all original land returned to them. This is what happens when you radicalize an entire generation for your holy war, which is precisely what happened under Hamas. This type of lack of understanding of human nature actually leads to more death and war, not less. If Israel did accept a two state solution right now (Hamas would most likely reject it anyways), it would most likely lead to a far more involved war in the future.

Attidues of Gazans on the conflict in general: https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/twi-interactive-polling-platform

This isn't true, the IDF has clarified it is aware that it will take multiple days for this to occur.

It even seems like he can remember things before the accident. This has quite strange implications.

- Hamas leadership wants to garner support by showing weakness in the Israeli state. Showing the arab world the killing of israelis achieves that goal in their eyes. - Hamas was losing relevancy as Israel was improving relationships with arab states, threatening Hamas organizational structure in the long term - Hamas hopes to provoke a holy war that involves other arab states - Outside actors like Iran might simply seek to create tension between arab nations and Israel after relationships started improving, including between Saudi Arabia and Israel - Hamas does not care about palestinian civilian death and suffering at all, they encourage civilian deaths so they garner more support among islamists. - Palestinians and the gaza strip as a whole are used as pawns by Hamas leadership, using their frustration against Israel for their own goals. Remember, Ismail Haniyeh Emerges, supposed leader of the Hamas terrorists, lives in Qatar, seemingly in luxury. It could be that the entire attack was a ploy to garner financial support as well. - Hamas hoped they would hold negotating power using hostages

I hope you can see how biased this is.

This kind of talk is going to get a lot of people killed.

Palestinian children in UN funded schools are being indoctrinated into actual antisemitism, made to fantasize about how to murder jews (not israeli's, jews), and how they are their enemies. This has been going on for years and years now. https://www.bild.de/politik/ausland/politik-ausland/antisemitismus-an-palaestinensischen-schulen-deutschland-zahlt-weiter-fuer-juden-83613256.bild.html The palestinians hatred for the jews goes beyond mere mistreatment at this point. All the socialists you see on the internet talking about a one-sided analysis that seeks to put all blame on Israel are profoundly ignorant of how deep this problem goes.

Okay pedantoid.

You should ask Anders Breivik.

People are way too obsessed with this beheading stuff. Some people pretend as if they were fighting for the honor of HAMAS by debunking this. We have them confirmed murdering babies with AK74 and burning them alive. That should be enough to make you realize these people will be perfectly willing to cut anyones head off, especially considering cutting peoples heads off is one of their favourite pass time activities.

He clarified it while he spoke, it just didn't come across that way clearly because of his senile way of speaking.

Biden misspoke because he is Senile, that has nothing to do with what I linked. Have you even listened to the link I provided?