Scholar

Imagine if the Mexican Cartel went over the US border and in a day killed 60.000 civilians, executing them in their home, livestreaming it, torturing them cartel style and so forth. And then imagine the response of the president would be "Let's just build a bigger wall.". Even if this was feasable, you have to understand that this will not happen. If we cannot engage with some semblance of realism in this topic, we might as well be writing sci-fi novels instead of discussing politics. And imagine what kind of sign that would send to the Cartel, and everyone else watching the issue. "Oh, we can just kill 60.000 civilians and the US will basically hide from us?".

For those who still have naive notions of negotating with Hamas: https://www.reddit.com/r/2ndYomKippurWar/comments/17btsfn/first_responders_describe_what_palestinian/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_armed_conflicts A good list to contextualize how insignificant this conflict is in relation to other conflicts that are currently ongoing: Remember, these are all ongoing conflicts. The Israel-Palestine Conflict is classified as a war. Take note of how long it has been ongoing and how many casualities in total there were, in relation to other on-going conflicts. You can sort the lists by any of the different categories.

This is misleading because they won't tell you the actual conditions, which require the release of 5000 palestinian prisoners, as I showed you above. Hamas is basically using a propaganda strategy, trying to frame it as if Israel was unreasonable and didn't care about the hostages.

I don't think this is true? What is your source on this? From what I understand there was some sneaky misreporting (by mainstream news papers too), the condition is actually the same as it has been since the beginning, which is the release of thousands of palestinian prisoners. So, this type of negotiation is not engaged with, simply because the good old "don't negotiate with terrorists" logic, which seems to hold up here. https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/10/19/hamas-islamic-jihad-holding-hostages-war-crime Zeihan says that a wider conflict is very, very unlikely: Forensic evidence of atrocities committed is coming out: https://themedialine.org/top-stories/evidence-on-display-at-israels-forensic-pathology-center-confirms-hamas-atrocities/

I think what Palestine desperately needs is a leader, a figure like Martin Luther King, to turn and direct the frustration of the people in a productive way, rather than have their anger be exploited and amplified for the sake of ideologues and their delusional ideas. If the palestinians don't take agency in that regard, the situation will not change, even if Israel will compromise and do what is right.

Nothing was confirmed. You guys are so blatantly biased, how can you not be ashamed considering the forum you are on?

This conflict truly revealed who in the media landscape has not lost their minds to the dynamics of social media. It feel like we are reaching a tipping point in global interconnectivity. It's just so incredibly infectious, and it's a really, really toxic and destructive mindset. I genuinely feel like this is a problem that might be more challenging and dangerous than climate change. It's like we are on the precipice of some sort of collective psychosis.

The bias here is amazing. Hamas basically slaughtered over 1000 people, and they continue to fire rockets non-stop at Israel, and people are like "But why is Israel bombing Gaza?!". It's hilarious. Of course, nobody is blaming Hamas for firing rockets from civilian areas, or storing ammunication and weaponry in hospitals, which just blew up in people's faces. No, it's all the evil Israel committing a genocide. See, this is what it would look like if I was playing the blaming game. Now, ask yourself how much of an emotional response you got just from reading what I wrote, and whether or not it is conducive to truth.

If I had a say in this I would send the crusaders into Israel and everyone would live under Christian rule how it is supposed to be.

Leo is way too lenient on your guys, he needs to get out the belt.

What both sides? I am talking to you guys, you are behaving like children. Give me a break, you don't know shit about rockets, you don't know shit about the damage done to the hospital or how it would look like. You're a literal keyboard warrior, calm down and get off twitter.

You guys are literally reaching idiocracy levels of stupidity.

Here are videos showcasing (supposedly) that Hamas was responsible for the attack on the hospital: https://www.reddit.com/r/2ndYomKippurWar/comments/17a7xpr/jihad_missile_hitting_gaza_hospital_2nd_view/ https://www.reddit.com/r/2ndYomKippurWar/comments/17a7fy3/evidence_reveals_shocking_twist_hamas/ Now, to be clear, I have no idea if this is true, but the fact that you guys are so quick to jump to conclusions should tell you that you are infected with twitteritis. For all you know, Hamas just bombed their own hospital and you are calling warcrime by Israel.

That's becaue you are operating from a moralistic framework, which I am not. I don't even remember when I wrote the last normative statement in this thread.

I can't help you guys, you need to start using your own brain and look beyond this narrow bias that you have created for yourself. It's too much effort for me. I blame Leo for not having uploaded a new video for so long, people are going mental.

I am not even engaging in the juvenile blaming game that you are engaging in. You would be able to see that if your mind was not so completely caputred by moralization and outrage.

I wish your could realized how ironic this question is. You are so completely and utterly stuck in outrage-mode that you literally cannot grasp what I am saying.

This isn't about whether or not you can get behind this issue. If you want to have any hope in affecting the world in a positive way so that the chances of this happening again are reduced by even a miniscule amount, you need to take your moral outrage, put it aside, and try to truly understand this conflict from all sides. Learning about this conflict should expand your understanding of human nature, not lead to you screeching how unfair and evil people are. This won't solve anything.

Yes, and this is going to be horrible too. What did you expect to happen from this?

They acted as expected given their developmental stage. Like I said, moralization in the way you engage with to me just leads to further delusion and an inability to actually see what is going on and why. You are more interested in a blaming game than learning about reality and humanity. Again, Russia was not attacked in the way Israel as attacked. The cutting down of electricity and water was heavily criticized, Joe Biden in fact was able to convince Israel to continue to flow of water. He did so without inflaming the Israelis and making the situation worse than it already is. As long as people like you will not accept the reality of the Israeli state, war will continue. And your historic analysis is incredibly superficial. Palestine was no state, it was land administered by the Ottoman Empire. The Ottoman Empire lost the war, and Britian divided the land in the way it thought appropriate. Israel was created and attacked by arab nations, and it defended itself successfully. If Israel has not achieved legitimacy as a state, I don't know what state on this planet has. By your logic the africans should indefinitely kill each other over land because at some point someone divided it up that way. At some point you must respect the existence of a state. History doesn't just start and end where you please.

You are naive if you think the Israel-Palestine conflict is as simple as Israel just being evil and oppressive.

Israel is acting just like the US was after 9/11. This is a very one-sided view of the issue. The cause of the conflict is found on both sides. One of the reasons why others forms of Apartheid and racial segregation in the past were able to be resolved was, because the people who were oppressed did not have it as their goal the destruction of the state in which they existed. In Apartheid South Africa, the oppressed black people did not want to destroy South Africa, but merely want the same equal rights as the white class. This is different from this conflict, because the arabs wanted to destroy Israel since the very beginning, and still want to do so. Of course, not every palestinian wants to destroy Israel, but a large enough portion does so as to make this issue impossible to be resolved if both sides do not align their perspective with a greater will for peace. Nothing on this scale and brutality. Ukrainians did not have the destruction of the Russian state as their official goal. This is just a one sided view. While the Israeli's are mistreating and violating human rights, they are not the sole cause of this conflict. The historical context is such that both sides are at fault for being unable to establish proper peace. But none of this matters in the context of the act that was committed. Hamas went over the line, and a nation state will respond. The reason why the Israeli's kill more palestinians is not on a lack of effort of Hamas, but simply technological superiority on the side of the Israeli's. Usually, the deaths caused by Israel are in retaliation to attacks from Hamas. You cannot simply compare numbers and then point at how the bad guy is, that's not how this works. You can blame Netanyahu's regime for much of what is happening, but that doesn't change the reality of how a nation state will respond inevitably given the circumstances. Look, I can't argue with 4 people. You guys need to get off twitter and read some objective analysis of this issue. You are incapable of anything but showcasing your moral outrage, which will not achieve anything.

If Ukrainians had massacred over a thousand russian civilians in a senseless act of terrorism designed to provoke a war, I don't think anyone would be condemning Russia in the way they currently are, even if there was a history of oppression in Ukraine.

The real reason why people are so angry is because they are being manipulated by social media algorithms. Israel is not acting any different from how the US or any other country would act and has acted in the past. Hatred begets hatred.