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This is all bias. Reality is perfect as it is. There are infinite beings who will live "unawakened" lifes, who have done so for eternity and will continue to do so for eternity. There is nothing fundamentally special about awakening. You will experience everything anyways.

It very much depends on what kind of rape it was. I'm assuming it wasn't a violent rape but more so statutory rape, with maybe coercive elements. Either way, we, largely, live in a societies that put consenting adults in prison for being in sexual relationships under the pretense of eugenics, so it is not very surprising that people would go bonkers in clear abuse cases such as this.

The point of having faith in the appearances of the divine is love. You can project a deep love towards the connection you share with others, if you recognize in them a selfhood. It allows for a deeper intimacy between different parts of God. In other words, it allows for connection where, metaphysically, connection should not be possible (with the wisdom of the divine). There are things that have impacted me before I have been conscious of them. In the end I trust in the divine order and believe we have developed fundamentally truthful intuitions about the nature of existence, such that, despite a fundamental disconnectedness, we can still perceive each other and hold each other within our minds. That to me is part of the genius of creation. I think while you cannot become conscious of other minds in this way, due to the nature of selfhood, you can become conscious of divine intention. I believe faith to be a fundamental component to existence as it relates to self-hood. I think attempting to translate it into propositional logic will undermine the entire point of the existence of these dynamics. These are delicate things that will dissipate if you use the clumsy hands of your rational mind to grasp for them. In that way, faith is what sustains these things, as it is keeps your greasy fingers off of the delicate forms that you have been gifted so you could connect intimately with all the parts of yourself that exist outside of this selfhood. You cannot be conscious of anything that isn't part of your consciousness.

This cannot be possible by the very nature of what a soul or mind is. That doesn't exclude the existene of other minds, it just excludes the possibility of becoming conscious of other minds. The claim here is that they are both separate experiences and they can individually experience different aspects of the body-mind. For example, they said that from the perspective of the guy, he basically blinked out of existence for 5 years and then reentered the body having no recolletion of what had happened to him. The biggest claim I guess would be the fact that they are saying they are basically in the same body, dividing it up to share the space in it with complete lack of awareness of what the other "personality" is doing or feeling. They say they can each inhabit one of their arms and then touch each other and it is just like touching a stranger.

You just put more effort into the arguments. Who is and isn't a fool is relative.

That's basically your whole career as well.

Yeah it's like saying Awakening will make you give up sex because you realize you only have sex with yourself.

Think about this: If it turned out DNA didn't exist and it was all a big illusion and actually the body is just smooth spirit-matter that has no processes other than shaping itself to function itself the way it does. Literally nothing about our ideas of what women and men are would change.

Leo what is your intention for having all these conversations? Is there some shift you are trying to make in how you publically communicate?

Trying to answer the question as it was framed is futile. It is similar to attempting to describe subjective preferences (morality) in a strict propositional form. it will never work because the mind, and therefore subjectivity, including preferences, aren't grounded in propositional systems. You will always arrive at contradictions if you try to translate non-propositional computation into a propositional computation. It is the difference between intuitive, subconscious processing and conscious, rational processing. There is a reductionism that occurs, the translation necessarily breaks the nature of the object attempted to be described.

The truth is, the essence of a woman cannot be translated into propositional statements, because the perception of women is grounded in a non-propositional system. We are talking about neural networks, which solve for problems in a fundamentally different way than a propositional computational system might. This should be obvious, given that we don't arrive at the idea of womanhood through rational categorization, but rather attempt to rationally categorize an already present perception.

One of you who is a DDGer should make a post on the reddit making the community aware that Leo wants to have a conversation, frame it like it will be good fun content.

Hopefully Leo sent him an E-mail and he'll be reading it one of the days, at least he is aware of his existence now.

Destiny visiting actualized.org right now: @Leo Gura lol

Problem is Destiny just isn't too interested in philosophy or metaphysics.

It would be so bad, lol.

Yes, using the term "Illusion" or "Imagination" only makes sense as it is contextualized in contemporary or common understandings of reality. In essence, illusion just means that there is no inherent substance to reality that is stable or universal, as it is thought of by most minds. Or there is nothing beyond the appearance of reality (but that really translates to the same). So, the apparent rigidity of reality is an illusion.

Boghossian is very much stuck in orange, I'd think it would be hard to have any meaningful conversation with him.

No, what is an illusion is calling them "shackles". They just are what they are. Nothing wrong with identity or survival.

Ah, that's why the argument you used to undermined my view was based on suffering.

It's evident from what you say. You attribute spiritual meaning, the ultimate spiritual meaning, to freeing yourself from suffering. You can attribute spiritual meaning to anything, that's your choice.

You will not be in perfect harmony forever. You will die and then just be a fruitfly that suffers. There is no escaping this. You're just scared of suffering and are trying to eliminated it from reality because of how obsessed you are with it.

You are literally just making up those chains in your mind. There are no chains, this is the highest phase of existence already.

There is no need to get out of anything. Liberate yourself from what, exactly? Existence, being?

I leave it there for people like you.