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Leo what is your intention for having all these conversations? Is there some shift you are trying to make in how you publically communicate?

Trying to answer the question as it was framed is futile. It is similar to attempting to describe subjective preferences (morality) in a strict propositional form. it will never work because the mind, and therefore subjectivity, including preferences, aren't grounded in propositional systems. You will always arrive at contradictions if you try to translate non-propositional computation into a propositional computation. It is the difference between intuitive, subconscious processing and conscious, rational processing. There is a reductionism that occurs, the translation necessarily breaks the nature of the object attempted to be described.

The truth is, the essence of a woman cannot be translated into propositional statements, because the perception of women is grounded in a non-propositional system. We are talking about neural networks, which solve for problems in a fundamentally different way than a propositional computational system might. This should be obvious, given that we don't arrive at the idea of womanhood through rational categorization, but rather attempt to rationally categorize an already present perception.

One of you who is a DDGer should make a post on the reddit making the community aware that Leo wants to have a conversation, frame it like it will be good fun content.

Hopefully Leo sent him an E-mail and he'll be reading it one of the days, at least he is aware of his existence now.

Destiny visiting actualized.org right now: @Leo Gura lol

Problem is Destiny just isn't too interested in philosophy or metaphysics.

It would be so bad, lol.

Yes, using the term "Illusion" or "Imagination" only makes sense as it is contextualized in contemporary or common understandings of reality. In essence, illusion just means that there is no inherent substance to reality that is stable or universal, as it is thought of by most minds. Or there is nothing beyond the appearance of reality (but that really translates to the same). So, the apparent rigidity of reality is an illusion.

Boghossian is very much stuck in orange, I'd think it would be hard to have any meaningful conversation with him.

No, what is an illusion is calling them "shackles". They just are what they are. Nothing wrong with identity or survival.

Ah, that's why the argument you used to undermined my view was based on suffering.

It's evident from what you say. You attribute spiritual meaning, the ultimate spiritual meaning, to freeing yourself from suffering. You can attribute spiritual meaning to anything, that's your choice.

You will not be in perfect harmony forever. You will die and then just be a fruitfly that suffers. There is no escaping this. You're just scared of suffering and are trying to eliminated it from reality because of how obsessed you are with it.

You are literally just making up those chains in your mind. There are no chains, this is the highest phase of existence already.

There is no need to get out of anything. Liberate yourself from what, exactly? Existence, being?

I leave it there for people like you.

I think you are a little bit obscure Leo, you'd have to start doing debates or something to get one peoples radars. Degrade yourself to their level.

I don't remember what you said, was it that you didn't know? But then how does that relate to infinity? Why would infinity be limited?

@Leo Gura Do you believe there can be parts of God that are eternally separated from the Godhead? A state of eternal and total suffering?

No, not the ugly ones.

So you do think this can exist? Parts of God that are for all of eternity separated from the Godhead (yes yes it's an illusion but you know what I mean)? Given infinity, that means there are parts of God that are eternally and totally suffering?

But what about fucking grandma in heaven for infinite years?

It's not a stupidity, you're just close minded and uncritically accept societal preconceptions. I know people in such relationships who are more heatlhy and mature than 95% of people, and they have to listen to these bigotted opinions as if they in any shape or form help society resolve actual cases of abuse and dysfunction.

That's not the risk ratio of psychedelics. Far more people will do stupid shit with it. Liberty comes at a cost. The solution here is better education. That's why incest laws are barbaric and irrational.