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Osho was not the owner of cars. He had no bank account, no property, no pockets in his dress. He was one of the poorest person but he lived a luxurious life.

This is a while lotus , some people claim that it is Brahma Kamal, the flower which Brahma is holding in one of his four hands. It is believed that anybody who sees its blooming will have all his or her wishes fulfilled. Brahma is seen sitting on a pink lotus which is India's national flower. Hence people claim that the pink flower is the Brahma Kamal. Both are claimed as Brahma Kamal.

Brahma Kamal, named after Brahma, the God of Creation. There is a story that the lotus arose from the navel of God Vishnu, and at the center of the flower sat Brahma. It is long held belief that anybody who sees this rare flower blooming will have all his or her wishes fulfilled. The lotus is grows out of dirty mud and floats in water. It is a water flower, but the miracle is that the water never touches its petals. A sannyasin is a man who lives in the world, but remains untouched by it. Who remains with all kinds of unconscious people, one has to remain with these people, there are no other kind, but who remains untouched, unaffected. You may have seen Buddha statues of Buddha sitting on a lotus, of Vishnu standing on a lotus. The lotus lives in the lake and yet the water cannot touch it. It lives in the water and yet remains untouched by the water. The lotus represents the witnessing quality of your being: you live in the world, but you remain a witness. You remain in the world and yet you are not part of it. You participate and yet you are not part of it. You are in the world, but the world is not in you.

While dreaming you can never doubt that the dream is a dream. In dreams you never think there is a different reality.

Excerpts from Osho talks: “There was no need for ninety-six Rolls Royces. I could not use ninety-six Rolls Royces simultaneously – the same model, the same car. But I wanted to make it clear to you that you would be ready to drop all your desires for truth, for love, for spiritual growth to have a Rolls Royce. I was knowingly creating a situation in which you would feel jealous.” “The function of a master is very strange. He has to help you come to an understanding of your inner structure of consciousness: it is full of jealousy.” “…Those cars fulfilled their purpose. They created jealousy in the whole of America, in all the super-rich people. If they were intelligent enough, then rather than being my enemies they would have come to me to find a way to get rid of their jealousy, because it is their problem. Jealousy is a fire that burns you, and burns you badly.” (Beyond Psychology ~by Osho) For many people these cars were a barrier between them and Osho. They could not see past the cars. It is said that Sufi masters create disguises so that they may go about their business unrecognized and do not have to waste time with people who are not seekers.

Excerpts from Osho talks: Just the other day Anando was showing me one book published against me in Australia by a couple who have been sannyasins for three years and have been in the commune. But just looking at their ideas, it seems they have never seen me. They are saying that they were working, working hard, and with their work I was purchasing Rolls Royces. You can see the absurdity: their work was not bringing any money. Their work was making their own houses to live in, the roads - which were needing money, not producing money. But in their mind - and for all those three years also - they must have been resentful. Those Rolls Royces were not produced by the commune. They were presents from outside, from all over the world. And I was not their owner - I had given them to the commune. They were commune property, and I have not brought any of them with me; I have left them with the commune. Everything that I had has been left with the commune. I never owned anything. But there must have been the idea that they are earning money, and I am wasting money. That is their resentment. What money were you earning? In fact you needed money to make houses, to make roads, to make a dam - a dam needed two and a half million dollars to make. You were contributing your labor, but we were not creating money out of it so that I could purchase Rolls Royces, so that I could purchase anything. I have not purchased anything from the money produced by the commune because the commune never produced any money. The commune was absorbing money. In fact all my royalties, all my books, all their profits were going to the commune. The situation is just the opposite - that I had given everything to the commune. Now, four hundred books in different languages were bringing millions of dollars in royalties, and those royalties were going to the commune. If I had wanted to purchase Rolls Royces, I could have purchased my own Rolls Royces, as many as I wanted, just out of my royalties. (Osho - Beyond Psychology #24) OSHO: I Am the Rich Man's Guru

@username Excerpts from Osho talks: People are very much interested in your Rolls Royces. What do You want to prove with this, so many cars and so much luxury around You? Why are people concerned? Then certainly they need it; then more Rolls Royces will be here. Until they stop asking me, more and more Rolls Royces are going to be here. Now it has to be seen that it is a challenge: the day nobody asks me about Rolls Royces, they will not be coming. People's interest in Rolls Royces shows their mind. They are not interested what is happening here. They don't ask about meditation, they don't ask about sannyas, they don't ask about people's life, love, the laughter that happens in this desert. They only ask about Rolls Royces. That means I have touched some painful nerve. And I will go on pressing it till they stop asking. I am not a worshipper of poverty. That's what those Rolls Royces prove. I respect wealth. Nobody before me had the guts to say it. The pope cannot say that he respects wealth, although he is the wealthiest man on the earth. I am not a hypocrite. I am the poorest man on the earth. I don't have a single cent with me. But I want to show these people what attracts their mind. If there were no Rolls Royces here, perhaps there would be nothing for the whole world ask about me, about you, about meditation, about initiation into sannyas, about love, about anything. It is for those idiots that I am keeping all those Rolls Royces, because they cannot move their eyes away from those Rolls Royces. And meanwhile I will go on pouring other things in their minds. Without those Rolls Royces they would not have asked a single question. Those Rolls Royces are doing their work. Every idiot around the world is interested in them. And I want them to be somehow interested—in anything in Rajneeshpuram. Then we will manage about other things. So tell those people—when anybody asks, tell them that "These Rolls Royces are for you idiots. Otherwise you are not interested in anything." Once they stop asking about Rolls Royces, then I will have to think of something else, whether to have rockets which are going to the moon…. I will have to think of something else. I received a letter from a bishop of Wasco County, who had been for almost five years condemning my Rolls Royces. In every Sunday sermon he was not preaching Jesus Christ, he was preaching me and my Rolls Royces. The day I was leaving he wrote a letter to me, "Now you are leaving, it will be great kindness on your part if you can donate one Rolls Royce to this church." Now, this shows the man…. I informed him, "Would you like all ninety-three, or only one?" And a letter came, "If you can give all ninety-three, that is just the right thing. You are really great. I'm very sorry that I condemned you for five years. You are a man to be worshiped." It is a very strange world if you understand people: whatever they are saying shows more about them than it shows about the person they are talking about.

No, Ramana Maharshi was enlightened , but masters criticize each other, Sri Aurobindo was criticizing him, criticism is a devise . We can't judge who is enlightened or not, only other enlightened person can know. Every enlightened person is not a teacher. Only few are teachers still hundreds of persons are recognized as enlightened by mystics.

In the book "Bhagwan, the god that failed", Hugh Milne has mentioned something which J Krishnmurthi has said about OSHO. "I have received thousands of letters from all over the world asking why I do not speak out in public against this man (Osho) . But I will not, as it is not my way. The man (Osho) is a criminal. You have to understand this very clearly. What he is doing to people in the name of spirituality is criminal. One must never give to another human being – and he is simply a human being – your ultimate manifestation of consciousness, which is your ability to make decisions for yourself. You have made a great mistake in giving him that power for twelve years, but understand this: no man has power except the power his followers give him. That is why he needs people around him all the time, and the more the better.”

Ramana Maharshi criticized Sri Aurobindo. Sri Aurobindo told that Ramana Maharshi was not fully enlightened as he was dominated by vitalic plane of consciousness, i.e. feelings and desires, so Ramana was evil, self-obsessed, emotional inside.

They can criticize each other. U.G. Krishnamurti on Osho Rajneesh and Jiddu Krishnamurti.

Here Mataji Nirmala Devi is exposing a fake one. Every religion tries to prove that other paths are wrong. Christians preach that Jesus Christ is the only way to salvation. Mohammedans say that Islam is only true path. We can't judge what is write and what is wrong. Osho's message was for the rich and educated. Every master's message is not appropriate for everyone. How can you judge who is fake and who is real master ? A Buddhist can find Krishna as fake , a Hindu can find Mohammad as fake. A lot of people find Eckhart tolle is very helpful, 'Power of Now' is the best book, Eckhart tolle doesn't resonates with me, I find Osho is the best teacher, it doesn't mean that others are wrong.

Don't judge what is sacrifice and what is being tactful. Mainstream society can think that a mystic is sacrificing his life, a mystic perfectly knows that materialists are sacrificing their lives.

No, they were the most intelligent. They attacked on existing education system of India.

I always post teaching of Osho on this forum. A master is not interested in teaching us true historical facts. What good it will do if we learn correct history or science? Earth is round or flat ? Life originated on earth 6000 years ago or billions of years ago ? For him our transformation is important. I am providing you excerpts from department of tourism, government of West Bengal , website. The Master smoked tobacco a few times a day [as was the custom in those days], using a hubble-bubble that he kept in the southwest corner of his room. Whenever Ramakrishna went to Calcutta his attendant always carried his towel and spice bag, which contained fennel seeds, cloves, cubeb, caraway, and cardamom. Sri Ramkrishna Paramahansa was very fond of Sandesh and Jilipi. Ramakrishna loved all foods, not just sweets. Perhaps he experienced the divine through his sense of taste. Not strange. As food went past his taste buds and entered his stomach a sense of joy radiated and filled his entire body. Sometimes he would walk out of a gathering of disciples, run to the kitchen, smell or taste what was ready and dart back. His wife, Ma Sarada, at times felt embarrassed wondering what people would think. But Ramakrishna was oblivious, for he knew that some mysterious power was in control and he was doing its bidding. He never talked about his weakness for food because he said he did not wish to attract a following of gluttons. Ramakrishna enjoyed food all his life, experienced great joy, and kept quiet about it. His followers reverently ignored his weakness. http://www.bengalcuisine.in/ram-krishna

Some of them still wear dhoti !

Enlightened masters tell stories. Excerpts from Osho talks : As far as I am concerned, I am not what they call a speaker or an orator. It is not an art to me or a technique; technically I go on becoming worse every day! But our purposes are totally different. I don´t want to impress you in order to manipulate you. I don´t speak for any goal to be achieved through convincing you. I don´t speak to convert you into a Christian, into a Hindu or a Mohammedan, into a theist or an atheist. These are not my concerns. My speaking is really one of my devices for meditation. Speaking has never been used this way: I speak not to give you a message, but to stop your mind functioning. My purpose is so unique: I am using words just to create silent gaps. The words are not important so I can say anything contradictory, anything absurd, anything unrelated, because my purpose is just to create gaps. The words are secondary; the silences between those words are primary. This is simply a device to give you a glimpse of meditation. And once you know that it is possible for you, you have traveled far in the direction of your own being. Most of the people in the world don´t think that it is possible for mind to be silent. Because they don´t think it is possible, they don´t try. How to give people a taste of meditation was my basic reason to speak, so I can go on speaking eternally; it does not matter what I am saying. All that matters is that I give you a few chances to be silent, which you find difficult on your own in the beginning. ~ Osho, Don’t Bite My Finger, Look Where I’m Pointing, Chapter 16 Zen uses stories and Sufism also uses stories, but their stories have a different flavor, a different tone. The Zen story is absurd - it is a riddle, and a riddle which cannot be solved. You can try, but you will NEVER be able to solve it. That insolubility is built-in; it is intrinsic to the Zen story. It HAS to be absurd because it is a device to destroy your mind, to shock your mind. It is a sword... to kill your mind. It drives you almost mad, because there seems to be no solution coming and you have to go on meditating on the story. It is a meditation device. Many solutions are given by the mind, but all solutions are rejected by the Master. The disciple goes on, day in and day out, with new solutions, and the Master goes on shouting at the disciple, "This is nonsense! Go and search again!" Sometimes months, sometimes years pass, and then a moment comes to the disciple when he sees that there is no solution. And remember, if you simply think there is no solution then you have missed the point. You have to come to a realization that there is no solution. In that state of no-solution, no-conclusion, a transcendence happens, a leap, a quantum leap - you have gone beyond the mind through the mind. The Zen story functions like a sword to cut the knot of the mind. The Sufi story is not a riddle, it is a parable. It is not a shock, it is not a sword; it is persuasion, it is seduction. It is the way of the lover. It is very gentle and soft and feminine. Zen is very masculine, Sufism is feminine. The Zen story drives you mad: through creating a maddening state in the mind it helps you to go beyond it. It drives you crazy! The Sufi story intoxicates you slowly, slowly but inevitably. The Sufi story has a poetry in it, a rhythm. The Sufi story has to be contemplated, not meditated upon. The Zen story has to be meditated upon. The Sufi story has to be imbibed, sipped like tea, enjoyed in a relaxed mood. The Zen story has to be penetrated with a very, very concentrated mind, in a very tense attitude, in intensity. You have to focus all your energies on the story. You have to forget the whole world; only that small absurd story exists. And you know it cannot be solved, and yet you have to put your whole energy into it. And all the time you know that this is absurd, it is not going to lead you anywhere, but the Master says, "Focus! Concentrate! Pay attention! Look into the riddle of the story!" The Sufi story has to be listened to just like a story. Sufis are great storytellers. They will sip tea or coffee, they will sit together in a cozy place, warm. The story will start, and the Master will tell the story. And the story only gives glimpses, hints, but very potential, very penetrating. All that is needed on the part of the disciple is to listen, not attentively but sympathetically, with an open heart, not with any tension. The story has to be enjoyed. It reveals its mysteries when you are enjoying it. ~ Osho. The Wisdom of the Sands, Chapter 1

Is there any contradiction ?

One of Osho's disciple Nirmala Srivastava has now become a great spiritual leader. Now her name is long: Her Holiness Jagatjanani - "The mother of the whole world" - Mataji Nirmalaji Srivastavaji. Instead of acknowledging , she criticizes Osho. Masters criticize each other. Buddha and Mahavira were contemporaries, but they criticized each other. Both were fully enlightened. Each master has to defend his path. They are not enemies, their fight is not of the ego. Their fight has a totally different context.

@unknownworld You care about truth, so you write first .

Why do you need a new thread and request from many people ? Take your own time and please explain ! I know you can't write because such experiences are not available on internet.

Why can't you explain your 'transformative mystical experiences' ?

You don't know about mystical experiences at all, what are the transformations you are talking about ?

Real Samadhi is not only about any hallucinating experience or experience of 'reality' . It is a mutation, it transforms you.