Prabhaker

Never too hard, I only do exercises which I can do meditatively. I listen to my body, I exercise till I am energetic , I never do anything with exhausts me. I don't drink anything except water, sometimes with Electrolyte powder.

I am used to much freedom, time and money. Unless you grow into a meditator, it is very difficult to live without doing anything. I live in isolation, exercise two times a day and eat only two times a day , listen Osho's audio and video discourses to keep me relaxed and blissful.

@Annetta OSHO: With Meditation Your Intelligence Will Be Growing

Read my posts from the beginning of thread to understand the context.

Your personal experience, are you enlightened ? Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy Encyclopedia Britannica

Who told you ?

@Russell Parr ONCE AGAIN Swami nityananda and Ranjitha romance video is out Swami Nithyananda says his body is not 'capable of indulging in a sexual act'

I live in India, I have seen hundreds of people on the spiritual path, nobody has ever reached enlightenment. Nobody on this forum is reported that he is enlightened. We all know the deeds of so called enlightened masters, some of them are in jail for their crimes.

"there is no enlightenment" is a valuable spiritual teaching, it can save people from wasting their life, and can help gullible people from unnecessary trouble and suffering.

Logic can help. It helps in debunking myth of spiritual enlightenment.

The enlightenment you are describing never happens, so it can't be measured. Nobody has ever determined it. The Enlightenment is the period in the history of western thought and culture, stretching roughly from the mid-decades of the seventeenth century through the eighteenth century, characterized by dramatic revolutions in science, philosophy, society and politics. Spiritual enlightenment , though it is non-existent, has a value. If you learn to talk about it cleverly, you can do good business by becoming a spiritual teacher.

All knowledge of enlightenment, mysticism is without logic that's why it is not recognized by science , mainstream society. Because it's in the name. Enlighten - lighten, to overcome darkness, delusion; to gain insight, to enable consciousness to be the crystal clear light it is intended to be The Enlightenment is the period in the history of western thought and culture, stretching roughly from the mid-decades of the seventeenth century through the eighteenth century, characterized by dramatic revolutions in science, philosophy, society and politics. What enlightenment you are talking about ? There is no evidence of type of enlightenment you are describing, ever happened in any human being, it is a myth propagated by some delusioned so called spiritualists, it is a big business these days.

Journey of a poor man is extremely difficult and long, but if have infinite patience, if you don't escape your sufferings, if you don't deceive yourself, you will move from misery towards enlightenment. Many poor people die miserably but trust me , on this path you can't die miserably even if you are crucified.

You ask: Are you not a rich man's guru? I am—because only a rich man can come to me. But when I say 'a rich man' I mean one who is very poor inside. When I say 'a rich man' I mean one who is rich in intelligence; I mean one who has got everything that the world can give to him, and has found that it is futile. Yes, only a rich person can become religious. I am not saying that a poor person cannot become religious, but it is very rare, exceptional. A poor person goes on hoping. A poor person has not known what riches are. He is not yet frustrated with it. How can he go beyond riches if he is not frustrated with them? A poor man also sometimes comes to me, but then he comes for something which I cannot supply. He asks for success. His son is not getting employed; he asks, "Bless him, Bhagwan." His wife is ill, or he is losing money in his business. These are symptoms of a poor man, one who is asking about things of this world. When a rich person comes to me, he has money, he has employment, he has a house, he has health—he has everything that one can have. And suddenly he has come to a realisation that nothing is fulfilling. Then the search for God starts. Yes, sometimes a poor man can also be religious, but for that very great intelligence is needed. A rich man, if he is not religious, is stupid. A poor man, if he is religious, is tremendously intelligent. if a poor man is not religious, he has to be forgiven. If a rich man is not religious, his sin is unpardonable. I am a rich man's guru. Absolutely it is so…. If it were not for your money, you would not have been here. You are here because you are frustrated with your money. You are here because you are frustrated with your success. You are here because you are frustrated with your life. A beggar cannot come because he is not yet frustrated. Religion is luxury—the last, ultimate luxury I call it, because it is the highest When a man is dying of hunger, what use is a Van Gogh painting? or a Buddha's sermon? or beautiful Upanishads, or music?—meaningless. He needs bread. When a man is happy with his body, has enough to eat, has a good house to live in, he starts becoming interested in music, poetry, literature, painting, art. Now a new hunger arises. The bodily needs are fulfilled, now psychological needs arise. There is a hierarchy in needs: the first is the body; it is the base, it is the ground-floor of your being. Without the ground-floor, the first storey cannot exist. When your bodily needs are fulfilled, psychological needs arise. When your psychological needs are also fulfilled, then your spiritual needs arise. When a person has listened to all the music that is available in the world, and has seen all the beauty, and has found that it is all dream; has listened to all the great poets, and has found that it is just a way to forget yourself, just a way to intoxicate yourself, but it does not lead you anywhere; has seen all the paintings and the great art—amusing, entertaining, but then what…? Then hands remain empty, more empty than they ever were before. Then music and poetry are not enough. Then the desire to meditate, the desire to pray, a hunger for God, a hunger for truth arises. A great passion takes possession of you and you are in search of truth, because you now know: unless you know what the secret most truth of this existence is, nothing can satisfy. All else you have tried and it has failed. Religion is the ultimate luxury. Either you have to be very rich to come to this luxury, or you have to be tremendously intelligent. But in both the cases you are rich—rich with money or rich with intelligence. I have never seen a person who is really poor—poor in intelligence, poor in riches—ever become religious. Kabir becomes religious. He was not a millionaire, but he was tremendously intelligent. Buddha became religious because he was tremendously rich. Krishna and Ram and Mahavir became religious because they were tremendously rich. Dadu, Raidas, Farid, they became religious because they were tremendously intelligent. But a certain sort of richness is needed. Yes, you are right: I am the rich man's guru. Excerpts from ~The Discipline of Transcendence, Vol. 3 by Osho

I consider religion to be the last luxury. Only when a society becomes affluent does religion become meaningful. And now, for the first time, a greater part of the world is not poor. America in particular is the first society in human history to reach such affluence. To be religious, or to be interested in the ultimate questions of life, one needs to have really fulfilled all the lower wants and needs. So to me, a poor society cannot be religious. India was religious only when it was at a peak of affluence. For example, in Buddha's time India was just like America is today. In those days India was the richest land. The religion that we have in India today is just a leftover from those days. There is a basic difference between a poor man's religion and a rich man's religion. If a poor man becomes interested in religion it will be just as a substitute. Even if he prays to God he will be praying for economic goods; the basic problem of man will not yet have arisen for him. So Marx is right in a way when he says that religion is the opium of the people. He is exactly right about poor people: they cannot get the basic needs of life fulfilled, so they substitute prayer and meditation and Yoga and religion. But for a rich man there is a basic change of dimension. Now he is not asking for economic goods, he is asking for the meaning of life. Excerpts from ~ The great challange by Osho

When sleep has gone, you can remember your dream. You cannot remember in your dream the facts of the day, when you were awake. While Zhuang Zhou were a butterfly in his dream, did was there any problem? was there any doubt? This is the only distinction between the dream and the real: reality allows you to doubt, and the dream does not allow you to doubt.

Witnessing makes the difference, because if dreaming is there you will be identified with it. in dream you are absent, you forget yourself, you become identified with the dream, so whatsoever is happening in the dream looks real to you, suppose in dream a horse becomes a man , you never doubt that it is absurd, because you are absent, you are not aware of yourself, then there is no one to doubt.

This forum is meant for seekers, those who are not seekers ask questions in other forums of this website (actualized.org).

I was referring towards my sentence below ,which you quoted in your post This was mine , sometimes I type my own sentences, else mostly I copy and paste words of Osho, I don't like typing too much.

@Shanmugam Do you think this is from Osho ? Even If Osho said , " if you meet the Buddha on the Way, kill him".. , I need a Buddha right now.

I am not Osho, I love parroting !

We can't understand the ways of enlightened masters. Judas betrayed Jesus, what does it show ? Jesus is a fool ? It is only through the crucifixion that Jesus’ message has lived in the world.

@harisankartj While dreaming, the dream is true, real, as real as any reality - it even appears more real. When you get up in the morning, you can remember your dream - but when you go into sleep you cannot remember what has happened, what was happening when you were awake. You cannot remember that you are a doctor in the day while you are awake, or an engineer, or a minister. You cannot remember in your dream the facts of the day, when you were awake. The whole reality, the so-called reality of the day is completely washed away by the dream - it seems more powerful. But in the morning when you get up, when sleep has gone, you can remember your dream. It means the reality of your day is not strong enough to completely wash away the reality of the dream. In dream you forget your day completely, but in your day, in your waking state of mind, you can remember your dreams. In dream you can never doubt that whatsoever you are seeing is unreal or real. You have been dreaming for your whole life, and every day in the morning you have come to know that the dream was unreal. Yet, when you go to sleep tonight and dream, you will not remember your whole life's experience, that dreams are unreal. Again you will fall into the illusion, and you will feel the dreams as real. In the morning again you will repeat that "it was just a dream, nothing real." What is happening? So much experience of dreaming, still the dream remains real. Why? - because really, anything becomes real if you are absent. Your absence gives reality to false things. In the dream you cannot remember yourself - so whatsoever passes in front of your eyes becomes real because you are not. You are so unreal that anything can be felt as real. If you can remember yourself in the dream, the dream will drop; it will cease immediately.

I think you are missing something, what difference will it make if quote is fabricated or true ? We have even used mythical creatures to give the message. Osho's spoke many contradictory things, many lies, many illogical things. Do you want to learn correct history or science from Osho ? There are more than 8000 thousand hours of discourses of Osho, do you think he was interested in stuffing you with great knowledge? People are memorizing Gita, Quran , Bible claiming that these are the words of God, people are interpenetrating Quran , analyzing it, claiming that everything written in the book is correct. Let us assume everything spoken by a master is historically or scientifically correct, will it transform you ? Osho said that “I don't speak to teach something; I speak to create something. These are not lectures; these are simply a device for you to become silent, because if you are told to become silent without making any effort you will find great difficulty.” " My words keep you awake, and just between the words I give you gaps. And those are the real, essential things. Waiting for another word, you have to listen to silence. I use Osho's audio and video to enter into meditation, not that I learn something from them. His discourses are meant to confuse you and give you the taste of meditation, if you know how to listen, you can use them a tool.

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