Prabhaker

I was not talking about people, I was discussing about eastern spirituality and western psychology.

@Natasha

Read my posts again. I was suggesting her to stay away from eastern spirituality as she is interested in having a healthy ego, I was advocating that western psychology is good for her.

@Toby Adi Shankaracharya, founder of Advaita Vedanta philosophy, travelled all around India engaging scholars in religious debate. During one such debate, Bharati, wife of scholar Madana Mishra, attempted to defeat Adi Shankara in the topic of Kamashastra – sex. To win this debate Adi Shankaracharya performed 'parakaya pravesha' – enter the body of another person. In the debate between Madana Mishra and Adi Shankara, Bharati was appointed the judge as she was a scholar by herself. Madana Mishra was easily defeated in the debate by Adi Shankara. Bharati contented that Adi Shankara had only defeated one half of Madana Mishra. To completely defeat him, Adi Shankara had to defeat his wife too. Bharati soon realized that she could not defeat Adi Shankara in philosophy, so turned the debate towards Kamashastra. As Adi Shankara was a Brahmachari he had no knowledge of sex. Adi Shankara asked Bharati to give him a month’s time to debate this topic with her. Adi Shankaracharya then used his yogic powers to enter the body of Raja Amaruka (King of Varanasi) who had just died. Before entering the body of the king, he hid his physical body in a cave and asked his disciples go guard it. For next one month, in the body of the king, Adi Shankara indulged in sexual activities and learned Kama Shastra. A month later he returned and defeated Bharati in the debate.

@Max_V Self recognition and the rise of what most refer to as personhood.

Karoi Village In (Rajasthan) Bhilwara is famous for some great astrologers. After I completed my engineering degree and I was looking for a job. So I visited a astrologer with my maternal aunt, who visited him once few years before. Astrologer was a young man , very good looking with large and shining eyes. He told us to sit down and wrote something on a writing slate with a chalk. Then he told my maternal aunt to ask question. My maternal aunt asked him a question. He told her to pick the slate on which he wrote something before question was asked, the answer for the question was already written on the slate. My maternal aunt told him that she visited him few years back. He told her the date and time of visit, questions asked by my maternal aunt and answers given by him. Dozens of people visit him every day still he remembered everything. He never charged fees for his services, people used to donate 5-10 rupees if they wish, it was not a compulsion. Then he rubbed the slate with a cloth and wrote something on the slate. The he told me to ask the question. My question was whether I will get a government job or not. He told me to turn the slate. It was written that I will get a job in private sector and then I will get a job in government sector, date of joining of both jobs were also mentioned. I asked him ,"do you practice yoga?" He replied ," meditation". Few years later I found that everything he said was accurate. When I was posted in Bhilwara city during my government job, I visited him once again but he was not using his psychic abilities now, he was telling future by asking date and place of birth, and he was not looking as graceful as he was looking before. After I visited the astrologer with my maternal aunt, I discussed it with a friend in Bhilwara, he told me about another astrologer in a nearby village. He was a old man living in a hut, before asking him a question I said to him," should I tell you my date of birth", he said , "What's the need?", he wrote my date of birth on a paper. Then I asked him , "How can I achieve mental peace?", he said, "you are the first person who has asked such question", after this I discussed few other things with him. I was a hardcore atheist raised in atheistic family, but my belief in atheism shattered after few more such incidents.

What else can you do ?

Patanjali Yoga Sutras, Chapter 3 Vibhuti Pada https://www.ashtangayoga.info/philosophy/yoga-sutra/chapter-3/ Sadhguru Nithyananda Osho Yoga_The_Alpha_and_the_Omega_Volume_9 (Page 13) http://www.oshorajneesh.com/download/osho-books/Yoga_Books/Yoga_The_Alpha_and_the_Omega_Volume_9.pdf Bhagavata Purana (Krishna) Five siddhis of yoga and meditation In the Bhagavata Purana, the five siddhis of yoga and meditation are: trikālajñatvam: knowing the past, present and future advandvam: tolerance of heat, cold and other dualities para citta ādi abhijñatā: knowing the minds of others and so on agni arka ambu viṣa ādīnām pratiṣṭambhaḥ: checking the influence of fire, sun, water, poison, and so on aparājayah: remaining unconquered by others Ten secondary siddhis In the Bhagavata Purana, Krishna describes the ten secondary siddhis: anūrmimattvam: Being undisturbed by hunger, thirst, and other bodily appetites dūraśravaṇa: Hearing things far away dūradarśanam: Seeing things far away manojavah: Moving the body wherever thought goes (teleportation/astral projection) kāmarūpam: Assuming any form desired parakāya praveśanam: Entering the bodies of others svachanda mṛtyuh: Dying when one desires devānām saha krīḍā anudarśanam: Witnessing and participating in the pastimes of the gods yathā sańkalpa saḿsiddhiḥ: Perfect accomplishment of one's determination ājñāpratihatā gatiḥ: Orders or commands being unimpeded

You can't do anything with ego, you can only become a witness, a watcher. By witnessing you become more conscious, by watching it drops.

Subtle ego is manageable, it is more difficult than dropping a ripened ego.

Subtle ego is hard to detect, it is not ripened.

“THE EGO is you. You cannot move towards surrender; in fact you are the barrier, so whatsoever you do will be wrong. You cannot do anything about it. You simply, without doing anything, have to be aware. This is an inner mechanism: whatsoever you do is done by the ego, and whenever you don’t do anything and remain just a witness, the non ego part of you starts functioning. The witness is the non-ego within you and the doer is the ego. The ego cannot exist without doing anything. Even if you do something to surrender, it will strengthen the ego and your surrender will become again a very subtle egoistic standpoint. You will say, ‘I have surrendered.’ You will claim surrender, and if somebody says that it is not true, you will feel angry, hurt. The ego is now there trying to surrender. The ego can do anything; the only thing that the ego cannot do is non doing, witnessing. So just sit silently, watch the doer, and don’t try in any way to manipulate it. The moment you start manipulating, the ego has come back. Nothing can be done about it; one has just to be a witness to the misery that ego creates, of the false pleasures and gratifications that ego promises. Doings in this world and doings in the other world; the spiritual world, the Divine, the material, whatsoever the realm, the doer will re main the ego. You are not supposed to do anything and if you start doing something you will miss the whole point. Just be there, watch, understand, and don’t do. Don’t ask, ‘How to drop the ego?’ Who will drop it? Who will drop whom? When you don’t do anything, suddenly the witnessing part is separate from the doer; a gap arises. The doer goes on doing and the seer goes on seeing. Suddenly, you are filled with a new light, a new benediction: you are not the ego, you have never been the ego; how foolish that you ever believed in it. There are people who are trying to fulfill their egos; they are wrong. There are people who are trying to drop their egos; they are wrong. Because when the witness arises you simply see the whole game. There is nothing to be fulfilled and nothing to be dropped. The ego is not of any substance. It is made of the same stuff that dreams are made of. It is just an idea, an air bubble — just hot air within you and nothing else. You need not drop it, because in the very dropping or in asking how to drop it, you believe in it, you are still clinging to it. The Alchemy Of Yoga ~ Osho It is impossible. The ego cannot be sacrificed because the ego exists not. The ego is just all idea: it has no substance in it. It is not something – it is just pure nothing. You give it reality by believing in it. You can withdraw belief and the reality disappears, evaporates. The ego is a kind of absence. Because you don’t know yourself, hence the ego. The moment you know yourself, no ego is found. The ego is like darkness; darkness has no positive existence of its own; it is simply the absence of light. You cannot fight with darkness, or can you? You cannot throw darkness out of the room; you cannot take it out, you cannot take it in. You cannot do anything with darkness directly. If you want to do anything with darkness, you will have to do something with light. If you put the light on, there is no darkness; if you put the light off, there is darkness. Darkness is only the absence of light, so is ego: absence of self-knowledge. You cannot sacrifice it. It has been told to you again and again: “Sacrifice your ego” – and the statement is patently absurd, because something that does not exist cannot be sacrificed. And if you try to sacrifice it, something which is not there in the first place at all, you will be creating a new ego – the ego of the humble, the ego of the egoless, the ego of the person who thinks he has sacrificed his ego. It will be a new kind of darkness again. No, I don’t say to you sacrifice the ego. On the contrary, I say try to see where the ego is. Look deep into it; try to locate it, where it exists, whether it exists at all or not. Before one can sacrifice anything one must be certain about its existence. But don’t be against it from the very beginning. If you are against it, you cannot look deep into it. There is no need to be against anything. The ego is your experience – maybe it is just apparent, but it is still your experience. Your whole life moves around the phenomenon of the ego. It may be a dream, but to you it is so true. There is no need to be against it. Dive deep into it, go into it. Going into it means bringing awareness into your house, bringing light into darkness. Be alert, watchful. Watch the ways of the ego, how it functions, how it manages at all. And you will be surprised: the deeper you go into it, the less it is found. And when you have penetrated to the very core of your being, you will find something totally different which is not ego, which is egolessness. It is self, supreme self – it is godliness. You have disappeared as a separate entity; you are no more an island. Now you are part of the whole. Osho, The Fish in the Sea is Not Thirsty, Talk #12 If the ego is unmanageable, and a seeker of truth reaches an understanding that ego is the problem he can easily dissolve a ripened ego, not by efforts to drop but by watching. If your ego is not strong, it is manageable , still you can drop , but it is more difficult than dropping a ripened ego. Don't be in a hurry to drop it, just watch it.

We are not born enlightened, we are born sinful, to live unconsciously is sinful, living consciously is our achievement. All sufferings happen due to our unconsciousness, which is a sin. If we are not born sinners, why anybody will need a spiritual journey ? She is studying western psychology, she wants to have a healthy ego, to adjust in society, maintain healthy relationships, eastern spirituality will create only confusion. I know her views and I love her, it was my friendly advise.

You can seek, but you cannot find. But, still, seeking is necessary, because if you don't seek, nothing will happen. Go on seeking, but know that just by seeking you cannot find. It is impossible for the disciple to know who is the right guru for him. It is impossible for the lower to judge the higher. How can one judge that this is the right master? If you can judge, and decide, then you yourself have gone above the master. The disciple can never find the master. Only the master can find the disciple. The disciple has to go on seeking and seeking and seeking just in order to be available for the master, so that when the right master comes, he can choose you. Only the master can choose you; you cannot choose him. In old Egyptian scriptures it is said: When the disciple is ready the master appears. It is so. If you are ready, the master will appear. And your readiness is your availability; it is to be available. Go on seeking. You will meet many teachers. Be humble. Learn, with reverence and gratitude. But remember that every teacher is not your master. You will have to wait for the right master to appear. Go on -- with deep humility, humbleness, receptivity. Move from teacher to teacher. You don't know who the master is, but when you have become ready, through this search, the master will choose you. And the moment someone chooses you, be courageous enough to be chosen. When someone chooses you, don't try to escape. That's what happens. You may be in search of a master, but when the master chooses you and says, "Okay, I accept you," you may try to escape, because the master is like death. I say, the master is like death. There is an old Indian saying: Acharya mrakue; the master is death. He is, because he will destroy you as you are so that someone new can be created. He will kill you in order to give you a rebirth. He will restructure you. He's going to give you rebirth, so death is necessary. That's why when the master chooses you, it appears as if death is coming. You may try to escape, remember. You cannot find the master, but when the master finds you, be ready to die; be ready to surrender. But the fear is there: How am I to know that this man is the right master for me? How am I to know that he is the right one for me and now I should surrender? You cannot know even that. To know the right man you first have to be the right man. Otherwise, how can you know? You have no experience of being right, so how can you feel whether this man is right for you? If you are already capable of knowing who is the right master for you, there is no need for a master. You cannot decide who is the right master for you. Even that is not possible. So what to do? But it is not a question of the right man; it is a question of surrender. Even if you surrender to the wrong man, surrender is helpful. You may not be able to understand what I mean. Even to a false master, surrender is helpful; you are not losing anything. The real thing happens not because of the master; the real thing happens because of the surrender. If you have surrendered to a false master, no harm is going to happen to you. because a surrendered mind is protected by existence itself. No harm can be done to you. If you have surrendered to a false master, by your very surrender that false master may be helped and may become an authentic master. A real disciple changes a false master into an authentic master. The very surrendering is such a deep phenomenon that when it happens you are transformed and the other person is also transformed. But, that is not something to worry about. Remember, no harm is going to happen to you if you surrender. Surrendering, in itself, is a miracle. Even if you have surrendered to a false master, you may learn many things from him. In this existence, nothing is a wastage. Even living with a false master is a learning. You are growing, you are becoming aware of certain things that you would never become aware of with an authentic master. You are maturing, you are becoming adult. And now, after learning from a false master, no false master will ever appeal to you again. At least you will now be able to judge who is false. You may not be able to judge who is true, but the other half has already been learned: you can now judge who is false. And this is something worth learning! Now you can eliminate the false teachers, and the true teacher will be left. Now you know what is false. You will never again be magnetized by it. So be humble even with a false master. Be respectful, be grateful, because you have learned many things from him. And when you leave him, leave with deep gratitude. Under him, you have become more mature. This is the right attitude of the disciple. The question is never of the right master or the wrong master. The question is always of right discipleship. Don't think of the master at all. Just try to become a true disciple: the learning attitude, the receptivity to learn. And be grateful. The world is a great school and the divine force uses every way and every means to create understanding in you. This understanding is helped by both the true and the false. Remember this. It will be helpful to you. Osho~The New Alchemy: To Turn You On

Certainly he's not having a healthy ego !

Buddha was a prince, he renounced his kingdom and became a beggar, What kind of ego he had ?

Unless you have a strong ego, how can you survive? Life is a struggle; if you are egoless you will be destroyed. Then who will resist? Who will fight? Who will compete? So, India was invaded again and again by foreigners, they couldn't defend themselves. Ego is all that you go on accumulating through education, manners, civilization, culture, schools, colleges, universities. As egolessness was taught eastern man was not as sophisticated , civilized, clever as western man. In the past the East has come very close to creating all the technology that exists today, but they stopped. For example, the printing machine was first developed in China three thousand years ago. Gunpowder was also developed in China three thousand years before, but they never used it. They listened to Lao Tzu, and Chuang Tzu, and Lieh Tzu. Without an strong ego they were not competitive, aggressive. In the ancient Indian medicine, there are such accurate descriptions of all kinds of surgery -- brain surgery included -- but they stopped, they said, "All these things are going to lead man more and more outward. It is better, before man has gone too far away from himself, to stop. That is how a egoless civilization behaves. India accepted foreign invasions, poverty, diseases because they do not have a strong ego. There were no revolutions against establishment/ rulers even when people were suffering, everything was accepted without fight, resistance.

@Loreena The East has become too much concerned with the inner soul and has forgotten objectivity, matter, the world, all the great scientists have come from the west, you can see it all around – the poverty, the starvation. East is very poor outwardly. Egolessness was taught in the east, but it is very difficult to achieve. The result was ego of eastern man was not very strong but except few people they were not ego-less , they have a subtle ego, which is difficult to drop.

I will write about it today, I want to relax now. You know I don't like much typing as I usually copy and paste. Let me refresh myself first.

If you are interested I will give you details of my experiences with such persons. I know psychic powers exist, from my own experience.

I met some persons with psychic abilities. I was on a spiritual journey, I started experiencing many things myself. But I was young and financially dependent on my parents, they were psychopaths , they managed to bring me back to so called normal life.

A person who has psychic powers will attract many rich people too, they will give him as much money as he wants, why he will bother about these scientists ? There are many god-man in India who attract lot of money even without showing any psychic powers in public, they have plenty of money to do social service, they are far more richer than James Randi. Who will go to people like James Randi for money and invite unnecessary trouble.

I am also surprised , how they missed a real psychic after doing lot of research. They might be doing research in a wrong way.

I wonder why Buddha never thought about doing social service using money ? There are thousands of people , Christian missionaries already doing social service using money. A person who has vision will help in raising human consciousness.

How can a person who is still greedy for money can acquire psychic abilities ? Only a fake psychic will be attracted to such challenges. Money appears to be so important to the people who don't know about real treasures.