Prabhaker

How can we decide ?

Elephants carry out 'revenge' attacks on villages http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2388182/Elephants-carrying-revenge-attacks-village-herd-hit-killed-train.html

There are cases when animals take revenge, how do you explain it ?

@GTITurbolover If fear, anguish, anxiety, anger, violence, sadness happen without an ego, how can we drop them?

You too have listened to Osho for hours, otherwise how do you know my half baked ideas are stolen from Osho ?

Krishna had sixteen thousand wives. Now, what about the fifteen thousand, nine hundred and ninety-nine men who have lost their wives?

Then, how can we drop fear, anguish, anxiety, anger, violence, sadness ?

Calm down, I just want to educate myself. If you don't like my posts , you can always ignore them.

@GTITurbolover Can fear, anguish, anxiety, anger, violence, sadness happen without an ego ?

@Live Life Liam You are so cute ! ... but you speak so fast that I have to use subtitles to understand the contents, (English is not my first language.)

Dolphins too have a evolved consciousness, not as developed as man’s, but the difference is only of degrees.

Edgar Cayce gave prescriptions while in a trance. In Tibet, people would ask for medical advice only from those who were able to go into a trance.

What about feelings, emotions, moods ? Agony, fear, anguish, anxiety, anger, violence, sadness -- all these things happen to the animal. When Ramana Mahrishi's cow 'Laxmi' was dying, Ramana was present there. Somebody asked Ramana, "Is this cow going to be born as a man?" Ramana said, "No. She will not need to be born as a man -- she has passed beyond that. She is not going to be born at all. She has attained enlightenment." Even animals, if they are receptive... and cows are very receptive. That's why in the India they have become sacred. It is not for no reason at all -- they are very receptive, open. They can grow in consciousness. No other animal can take this jump that the cow can take.

Would you like to comment on Krishna and prophet Muhammad.

Correct definition of enlightenment is not very important for beginners. It is more important that people learn about meditation, grow into a meditator. They will find their own way. What they learnt about 'Liberation' initially is not critical.

Begin from where beginning is easy, otherwise you will begin to feel many things unnecessarily ¯ things that are not there. If you begin with sitting, you will feel much disturbance inside. The more you try to just sit, the more disturbance will be felt; you will become aware only of your insane mind and nothing else. It will create depression, you will feel frustrated. You will not feel blissful; rather, you will begin to feel that you are insane. And sometimes you may really go insane. If you make a sincere effort to 'just sit,' you may really go insane. Only because people do not really try sincerely does insanity not happen more often.

Enlightenment could mean anything on this form awakening, savikalpa samadhi, nirvikalpa samadhi, full enlightenment. We are not using same language.

Not impossible. It happens in ordinary life also. You can see a great painter: he forgets women completely. When he is painting there is no sex in his mind,because the whole energy is moving. You don’t have any extra energy. A great poet, a great singer, a dancer who is moving totally in his commitment, automatically becomes celibate. He has no discipline for it. Sex is the absence of meditation. If the lamp of meditation is lit, sex is gone. People who try to control themselves have chosen a very foolish way. Control will not happen, but they will become cold. That is the only way a man can control himself — to become frozen so that energy does not arise. People who take the vows of celibacy will not eat much; in fact, they will starve their bodies. If more energy is created in the body, then there will be more sex energy, and then they don’t know what to do with it. Sex is superfluous energy; sex is a safety valve. As meditation ripens, celibacy comes to fruit by itself. All effort is to be put into meditation. Real awareness always leads you beyond sex, and celibacy happens on its own accord.

No scripture of the world discusses it. The question of discussion does not even arise -- no scripture even mentions it, and it has been happening for centuries. Perhaps they were afraid that if they say it... People are already not interested in enlightenment, and if you tell them that this is going to be the reward -- that you become enlightened and your fuse goes off -- this may prevent even those few who might try. They will say, "What nonsense it is. You work hard to attain enlightenment and what do you get as a reward? -- that you are finished! You are not even going to see yourself enlightened. So what is the point? It is a strange game.

If somebody does not suffer from an inferiority complex he will not go into politics at all. Politics is the arena for those who suffer from an inferiority complex, because they want to prove to themselves and to the world that they are not inferior: Look, I have become the prime minister, or the president! Now who can say I am inferior? I have proved that I am not inferior. Politics attracts the people who are very egoistic and suffer from inferiority complex. If you are egoistic you are bound to compare yourself with others. The ego cannot exist without comparison. Politics attracts only the most mediocre minds in the world. It does not attract Albert Einsteins, Bertrand Russells, Jean-Paul Sartres, Rabindranath Tagores... No, it attracts a certain kind of people. People who are suffering from some inferiority complex are the people to be attracted towards politics, because politics can give them power. And through power they can convince themselves and others that they are not inferior, that they are not mediocre.

This foolish philosophy is the root cause of India's poverty. If the world is illusory then why care about science, why care about technology? What is the point? If the world is illusory, poverty is also an illusion, the beggar on the street is also an illusion, the starving person is also an illusion. Down the ages, India has lived with a wrong philosophy -- a philosophy that teaches other-worldliness, a philosophy that teaches that the world is illusion and only the other world is true. You have not seen the other world, the true world; you have to believe. And the world that you have seen, and see every day and experience every day, is illusory, is maya. The other world is also real, and real on a higher plane. The East became poor materially. The other world is real, but the other world can only be based on the reality of this world. This world functions as a foundation. So maybe, once in a while, a person in India was able to become inwardly rich. But the millions, the masses, remain outwardly poor. And because there is no foundation, they have remained inwardly poor too. If the world is unreal, this consoles: there is nothing to be worried about, it is only a question of a few years, then you will enter into the real world. So why bother? The Eastern mind remains unscientific because of this basically wrong philosophy.

Who are the people who cannot trust themselves? Something has gone wrong somewhere. First, these are the people who don’t have a very good self-image; they are condemnatory towards themselves. They always feel guilty and always feel wrong. They are always defensive and always trying to prove that they are not wrong, but they feel deep down that they are wrong. These are the people who have missed, somehow, a loving atmosphere. So if you feel it difficult to trust, then you have to go back. You have to dig deep into your memories. You have to go into your past. You have to clean your mind of the past impressions. You must be having a great heap of rubbish from your past; unburden it. This is the key to do it: if you can go back not just as memory, but as a reliving. Make it a meditation. Every day, in the night, for one hour just go back. Try to find out all that has happened in your childhood. The deeper you can go the better – because we are hiding many things that have happened, but we don’t allow them to bubble up into consciousness. Allow them to surface. Going every day, you will feel deeper and deeper. First you will remember somewhere when you were at the age of four or five, and you will not be able to go beyond that. Suddenly, a China Wall will face you. But go. By and by, you will see that you are going deeper: three years, two years. Go again, come back, every night. It will take at least three to nine months, and every day you will feel more unburdened, more and more unburdened, and trust will arise simultaneously, by the side. Once the past is clear and you have seen all that has happened, you are free of it. This is the key: if you become aware of anything in your memory, you are freed from it. Awareness liberates, unconsciousness creates a bondage. Then trust will become possible.

Ordinarily, the man who commits suicide does not do it feeling himself responsible for it. Mostly he feels people are driving him to commit suicide; certain circumstances, certain events are compelling him to end his life. If the circumstances were not such, he would not have attempted the suicide. A man, for instance, was in love with someone, but his love was not returned. Now he wants to end his life. Had his love been reciprocated, there would have been no need for him to embrace death. In fact, this man who is contemplating suicide is not doing so with any readiness to die really. He is willing to live only on one condition. Since the condition has not been fulfilled, hence the denial of life. The man is not interested in dying actually; the truth is, he has lost interest in living. So basically this kind of suicide is a forced one. Therefore, if a person who is about to end his life can be stopped even for two seconds, perhaps he will not attempt it the second time. Just the delay of a couple of moments can be enough, because in those moments his mental resolve will fall apart -- it was put together forcibly. A man committing suicide is not making a resolve. The fact is he is running away from making the resolve. Ordinarily, a man who has killed himself is not a brave man; he is a coward. Actually, life was asking him to exercise his will; it was telling him, "The woman you loved before... now make a resolve and forget her." But the man didn't have the capacity. Life was pointing out to him: "Forget the person you loved before, love someone else." But the man didn't have the guts. Life tells someone, "You were rich until yesterday, today you are bankrupt. Nevertheless, live!" He doesn't have the courage. He is not able to make a determination and live. He sees only one way out: self-destruction. He does this in order to avoid making firm resolves. Meeting death like this is not a demonstration of his positive will; rather, it is a show of his negative will. A negative will is of no use. Such a man will be born with an even weaker soul in his next life -- with a much more impotent soul than the one he had in this life, because he escaped from a situation that had offered him an opportunity to arouse his will.

Similar things happened with me. So, journey towards meditation was very difficult for me. I paid a very heavy price for it. When I became more conscious , I realized many mysteries of life. Man lives like a robot: mechanically efficient, but with no awareness. Hence the whole problem! If you were born and lived in same circumstances, between same people, same time as your parents were born and lived, you would't be a different person. I unnecessarily wasted years in taking revenge and made my spiritual journey and life very difficult. Now I feel compassion for my parents, but now I don't live with them to heal myself. There is no point in remembering the past. If a person is repressed, psychologically are carrying a lot of burden, he need catharsis. I recommend Osho dynamic meditation for it.

College don't produce Beethoven, Mozart, Einstein, Thomas Alva Edison, Vincent van gogh, Usain bolt, Bill Gates !