Salvijus

Not enlightened but I believe ai would not pass the turing test with me. A better example would be sadhguru. I don't believe any robot ever would fool his perception.

That's why recorded videos are the most difficult for me. Because it seems energy can be recorded. So it can have the similar impact conciousness would have. I would have to check him out. But being functional is not the same as being self aware. People can just be on autopilot. But when you look them in their eyes there's nothing home. You can clearly feel there's no connection to them even when they seem to answer questions. I've had a few conversations with such people who were heavy into psychedelics. They talk, they do things, but it's all on autopilot. The light and presence in their eyes is gone. Like a perfect ai would be lol. But ai would be even more dead inside probably. Some are like that on psychiatric medication aswell probably. I wonder if it could fool an enlightened person tho. A normal person is not deeply self aware. And their ability to feel presence of another being is not that great. Whereas an enlightened being can know the level of conciousness of another being very accurately. And I believe no ai, even a future one could fool an enlightened being that the metal box that imitates human behavior to its perfection has conciousness. But this is my personal opinion. It's debatable.

You don’t need any evidence to know that there is conciousness in another being. Conciousness recognizes conciousness. That's the end of the evidence.

My counter argument would be this. Only when you have a strong sense of who you are, of your own presence and sentience can you distinguish if others have sentience or if it's just imitation or mental projection or something. The thing with people on deliriants is that they lose all sense of who they are. In such a condition they lose all ability to tell have what's real and what's a projection of their mind. It takes one to know one . Don't you think there would be a difference between talking to a npc inside a virtual reality game. And talking to a sentient gamer inside the virtual reality game? Or another question I would ask. Will texting with ai will ever feel like texting with a real person? This is an open question tho. My personal belief is... Probably no. If you're sensitive you can still feel the presence of another being behind the screen. Although I'm not sure to what extent this feeling can be replicated with ai. The examples with recorded videos are the most difficult. The difference and the line becomes very blur. However, there's another way to approach it because it takes only one proof to brake solipsism also. And that one proof would be this. Could you ever replicate the feeling of seeing an enlightened being in their eyes and having your whole being shaken? That feeling that you get that you're standing in front of some super concious guy. That deep recognition that what you're looking at is not a metal box or an empty bag of flesh and bones or a hologram. But that you're looking at something devine through those eyes. Replicate me this experience with ai, deliriants, recorded videos, holograms etc. Because if it can't be replicated, then it becomes a proof against solipsism also. And remember, the only reason one can recognize that divinity in another is becomes it takes one to know one. Sentience recognizes sentience.

Eyes are the window into a person's soul as they say. You can know someone is alive when you look someone in their eyes without them saying a word. If you looked AI in the eyes, you'd not feel anything. Even tho it imitates all the human behavior.

I think talking to ai robot will never feel the same as talking to a real human even if Ai can replicate human emotions 100%. It would still feel different. It wouldn't have that effect when you look an enlightened person in the eyes and your whole being gets shaken. It would feel like you just watched at a metal box instead. However your argument invovles video recordings. That makes things more complicated. I'd have to think about the answer to that myself.

It takes one to know one. Sentience recognizes sentience. Only awareness can recognize itself. The only evidence you need that others are concious just like you is to simply look at the eyes of another and the conciousness in you will recognize the conciousness in another. It the same one conciousness tho. But it's still proof that conciousness does not abide in a single vessel only. But conciousness abides in every life form. And experiences life through all these life forms all at once.

Mmm. Nice depiction of those words indeed.

It can be said, transcendence of deception is glory. But then I would ask, why would God not do this through infinite number of vessels all at once? Doing that would be much more glorious than doing only through one vessel.

It's interesting that you replaced the word glory with pleasure tho. That alone is very telling. It's not even possible to say, "God is the most glorious when he fucks up himself irrevocably" . Lol

I'm just showing the logical flaw in saying God has pleasure in mindfuckin people.

And if God has pleasure mindfuckin you. Then he would aim for the ultimate pleasure. The infinite mindfuck that is impossible to come out.

There's no way to know the truth unless God wants you to know the truth. If God wants to mindfuck you, you're fucked for good.

Then knowing truth would be impossible. If God's goal was to mindfuck himself. With his infinite power he could mindfuck himself that he would never ever know the truth. By that logic. Everything you think you know cannot possibly be true. It's just more God's deception.

Bashar's version of solipsism doesn’t exclude that there is no other btw.

There is no glory in deception. Only in truth. Your argument doesn't stand.

Because infinite is more glorious than one. And God is all about glory.

If you watch his videos. All your doubts will fly out the window. He's very convincing. He will provide information that only you could know and no one else. What happens after death depends on many factors of how evolved the spirit was when it was alive. Just because you die, you don't go to the absolute because the body was never the reason for your existence on earth. The condition of your mind was. And your mind doesn't die after death. And those videos I linked are the proof of that.

To any solipsist I would ask this. What proof do you have that you're the only vessel through which conciousness can experience itself? What rules out the possibility of conciousness having many vessels to experience itself through and have these vessels even share the same place, earth for example. Why would God only have one vessel and not infinite amount of vessels? That would make you just one son of God. One with God. But also individual from all the other vessels/souls.

You can get an online call for 20bucks and find out how your dad is doing.

People think when they wake up from the dream, the dream disappears. But that's not true. That realm is still there, you can go back there if you want. The beings you were communicating inside that realm are still there also. The virus that was causing the fantasies is not out of your system either. It still exists.

The thing about dreams is that the characters there are not your imagination even. When you're dreaming of someone, you're actually communicating with a deep part of their unconscious. You're having a real experience, not a hallucination. Some dreams are unfulfilled fantasies tho. But if you go deep enough you realize, those fantasies have a spirit of their own. Like a mind virus or something with its own intelligence and sentience.

Not only are they out of my control. I myself have no control. Nobody has any control. This makes all of us equal in our reality or unreality. God is trying to experience himself through each of us. Making solipsism and individuality of souls both true at the same time.

Not only are they out of my control. I myself have no control. Nobody has any control.

I think a dream example could be useful here. For example when we go to sleep and dream people chasing us and what not. Every character has an equal amount of reality. So not only the guy who chases you is not real. But also you who are being chased is not real. The whole drama is not real. The same principle applies to waking state. Everyone has the same amount of reality or unreality. If you consider yourself sentient, than every other figure in the dream has the same amount of sentience. If fact the whole creation even the inanimate things have sentience in them. Including nude pictures. Whatever amount of reality you ascribe to yourself is the same amount of reality you have to ascribe to the whole of creation. Otherwise you're creating duality. And if you think you're sentient than it makes everyone else sentient aswell. With the same power to create and influence that you have also. Plugged into the same source God.