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@Twega Hi ? I don't know what to comment anymore, sorry. I hope you're well. ? Regards and Good luck?

@Leo Gura Lol but you can't argue with the fact that many are abusing substances recklessly inspired by your good intentions I think Osho cared for his people and really loved them. I don't see any evil in his heart. Unconsciousness is the source of all evil. And he looks super conscious to me. Regards ?

@Bojan V half joking Osho had some sober and intelligent studends also, few nutcases are inevitable when you have milions of followers. I'm just pointing out the irony of good teachers having a bad influance. This can be observed in many places I think. Cheers ?

Come to think of it it's like actualized.org also. Created with a good purpose to bring positive influance on people but ends up being a drug abusing hippy club. Lol the irony ?

Bro, meditating 20-30min a day is not going to prevent you from achieving these goals. It will only enhance your life in a most positive way. Regards ?

Increadible. I'm suprised they allowed it to be filmed. What fascinates me about these buddhist is how ordinary they look. They look so ordinary I almost feel better then them just by 2months of meditation practice and they never have "I'm special" smirk on their face. They just quietly dissapear from the world. Amazing quality of being egoless. ?

It's the later. When you become more aware it feels like some amount of thinking has dropped. But it dosnt nessecarily dissapear. It can play itself out in a larger space of awareness of pure Being. Sometimes you can even experience a train of past impressions dissolve in front of you very fast and you're just witnessing untouched by anything. There're many ways to do it. You can just observe thoughts like a silent witness without any judgement or evaluation. Just observe without any reaction to what you see. It can lead you to the very bottom of awareness. Either way you do it is fine. You benefit regardless. Chose a way that you resonate and that feels easy for you and that's enough. "Remember easy means right" ~Osho sayed once I think. Good luck ?

Lol. How very compassionate of you. no seriously. That was a strong letter from you. I think maybe you misunderstood something what I wrote. I'm sorry if I touched a nerve. I hope you're okey. Regards ?

Don't you see? Everybody wants fulfillment. An everlasting perfect fulfillment without any suffering aka "end of suffering". That's what all human beings long for including you and me and everybody. All desires are just the same one desire for perfect fulfillment. So don't you see that it is not understanding of reality that is most important but a perfect fulfillment that is most important? Everything else is secondary. This has huge implications really. Yes understanding has it's place I'm not trying to belittle that. I'm just asking what can be more important then perfect fulfillment? If understanding of reality can't get you perfect fulfillment is it really most important then the end of suffering? When seeking understanding is just a failed attempt to find perfect fulfillment? You say you don't care about the end of suffering but I say you have no choice about it. All people care only about the end of suffering/perfect fulfillment and nothing else. Some are conscious about it and others not. Different people use different means to get there. But the only way to get there is permenant enlightenment. I wonder if you agree with this or no Cheers! ?

Hi @Samsonov Whichever way you do it is okey because you benefit either way. Even if you're doing nothing lost in thinking that is still relatively okey and would still give you some benefit. Different people understand this "do nothing" practice differently according to their level maturity. The highest and most powerful way of interprating "do nothing" is by dropping the intention even to meditate. Basicly when you're meditating there's an intention inside your mind and an effort to reach a certain state or goal. An earnest seeker can even become aware of that very subtle effort to become effortless. When you become aware of it you trancend all effort altogether. There you find an absolutlely effort-free space of awareness, untouched by anything, your True Self. The moment you try to achieve awareness you're already not it, you become a seeker who's trying to get somewhere. But you don't need to make a single movement to be what you are. Awareness is not affected by what a seeker does or not do. It sounds like a riddle but it's very simple actually. And yet it takes a certain maturity to get it. I hope you get it someday. Regards and good luck to you ?

I like when he gets those energy jerks through the body around 6min mark the guy is a beast. Very powerful master. I attended one basic program of his online and he was doing transmition. I felt fire burning in my dan tien. I made my mom to attend the program aswell. She has no meditation practice and even she was able to feel burning energy in her dan tien. I was suprised how much he can do just through camera without even seeing other people's faces. A true energy master. I respect him a lot for what he is I don't think so. Energy body everybody has. Immortal body you have to create using various outside energies. As far as I'm aware. ?

@Mips ?

@Leo Gura do you that understanding is more important then the end of suffering? You think different people have different longings? I think all people are fundamentally the same and long for the same thing. Consciously or unconsciously the same mechanism is driving all people toward a certain goal ultimately. Person who goes to the bar, a sciencetist, a meditator they all try to reach the same goal. I assume that goal is enlightenment (whatever that means) or end of suffering perhaps. Perhaps the only reason you or scientists care about understanding is just becomes they expect some sense of fulfillment from it. To fill a whole inside. Just some pondering stuff. Take care ?

Weak sauce is good enough. Rising 1inch of awareness everyday will add up to something profound in the long term. The main point is to achieve permenant present moment awareness. Then you enter into a effortless 24h nonstop growth of consciousness. I don't know what you mean by mystical tho. But for self-realization, for becoming established in a permenant primordial awareness and even for discovery of Love state I would say, 1h a day is enough. It's the same with everything in life. When you want to become a master musician you don't have to focus like a motherfucker. You train your music sensitivity, sense of rythm, hearing abilities etc. Little by little you do. One day you become a master musician. At first you have to focus like a motherfucker to hear if something is out of tune or not but later when you improve you don't have to focus at all. You just hear everything effortlessly, you become so sensitive, the moment something is out of tune, you know it. It's like that with meditation really. When I first started to meditate I would have to focus like a motherfucker to feel the presence of the present moment. And now it's just there all the time even when I'm typing this message. And I didn't do any retreats (except vipassana twice) nor did I become a monk. That's what rising baseline means. It's not something you get during an intense retreat and then lose it. Once you raise it you can't lose it. Once a musician reaches a certain of music sensitivity or hearing abilities or sense of rythm, he can no longer lose it. It's just there, an effortless ability to discern sounds becomes part of him. He has embodied these abilities you can say. Same way once you reach mindfulness levels where you can feel your thoughts and feelings you can't lose this ability anymore. With time as mindfulness and discernment rises more and more subtler and subtler thoughts and feelings come into your awareness. Time comes when even before the subtlest intentiont arise you are already there to perceive it. Then you're in a boundless space of primordial awareness. And you can't lose it. Nor do you have to try to keep it. It's just there. Part of everything that you do. All this comes with daily practice not with brute force. You can't brute force yourself into becoming more sensitive in mindfulness or music. It takes time. Little by little you improve everyday until you become more aware and sensitive. Of cource pushing yourself very hard from time to time can be helpful also. I hope you at least consider this what I wrote before totally dissmising it Regards and good luck to you? @Leo Gura

I have a feeling that your idea of how meditation and inquiry works is little bit wrong. I saw you saying things like "you have to focus like motherfucker" or "do a 24h non stop sweat and tears 10day retreats" things like that and I wonder maybe that's not how it is. At least not in my experience. In my experience meditation or contemplation is just like an exersice. For example if you want to make 1000push ups and you can't even make 1push up. It will not make any difference how hard you try. But if you regulary practice few minutes a day you can slowly increase from 1push up to 2, 3, 4.. etc. One day you will reach 1000(Enlightenment) . Meditation or self inquiry is like a muscle of awareness or a muscle of discernment you can say. It's something you have to cultivate for a long time. A point comes when you practice this muscle long enough you come to an effortless primordial present moment awareness all day long. Like this awareness continues to grow, intensifying more and more. Step by step like a flower's blossoming. I don't know why but I had a feeling your understanding of how meditation and inquiry works is different. It felt like you were chasing some breakthroughs and big explosive moments by trying to focus like a motherfucker. It's not like that. Sober awakening opens up slowly like a flower without any fireworks. Takes time and patience. 1inch increase of consciousness everyday, everyday like a tree until it becomes a mighty tree. Meditation and spirituality is a life long process. A very natural process of evolution. (Of cource focusing like a motherfucker and retreats helps) Just some food for thought. I think this guy could help you. Regards ? +1. But probably there're more ways I think. ?

@Adamq8 you make some good valid points. ? I like this Cheers! ?

Hi @Gidiot Yes of course. When you say everything is not real, the other side of the coin is everything is an absolute truth, haha Adi shankara 3 statements: 1. "World is not real" 2. "Brahman alone is real" 3. "Brahman is the world" (say whaaat?) Lol. so it's just different ways of looking. I thought I've covered it already in my above posts if you read carefully Regards ? @Gidiot

Haha no, seriously. I wasn't serious about what I wrote. I just thought it's one perspective which makes sense, at least for me. I personally like the idea that all experience, normal or supernormal is still a distortion of mind and is just as unreal like every experience. Only when you dissolve the mind you experience that which is beyond mind and matter. Only that can be true and not distorted by the mind. Buddhism stresses a lot that you can only a have a real taste of this beyond mind and matter phenomena in cessation where there is no experience left only awareness is there. Well this you can argue if you want. I'm just saying what they are saying. I'm not a buddhist even lol. And I have no bias towards buddhism. I just think they make sense here. Also buddha sayes that every samadhi state is just entertainment for the ego. It doesn't necessary dissolve the mind. According to them only dissolving all experience of life is important. Total cessation. Everything else is just your imagination. When there's no imagination left then Truth remains. And that Truth is a state of cessation. Well it makes sense my friends it makes sense to me a lot. Of cource I'm not attached to it much. You can say everything, every moment is absolute truth. Everything that comes from emptiness is emptiness. No duality formless = form etc. It's the same thing. Just a different side of the same coin. I enjoy all perspectives My personal theory about psychedelics (which could be totally wrong btw) is that they don't dissolve the ego they trancend the ego. They push awareness temporarely by releasing a lot of energy from the Ojas above the mind and you experience this beyond mind and matter phenomena. In that moment you get an experience of absolute truth without dissolving experience. And at the same time you know that all experience is not true and imaginary. It's just a sensation of god's mind. That's what self-inquiry does in a way. One other thing that buddha sayes is even if you get this experiance of 8jhana of self-realization of god and everything is not real etc., you are still stuck in this game and are forced to experience life untill you dissolve this imagination into nothingness. Realization of god is not enough to end life, you have to dissolve all imagination, all mind. When there's no more experience, total cessation, that's the end of suffering, end of life, end of mind, end of creation. Buddhism can sound pretty dark sometimes lol. I'm just pondering stuff here. Don't take it seriously Regards ? @Leo Gura @Adamq8

Perhaps everything that you experience, every state you experience is a delusion. The only reality is That which is not experience. When all experience is dissolved then truth is left. Total nothingness. Cessation of all sense doors. Not a single thought or sensation like in deep sleep but still aware. I wonder if such experience is possible with psychedelics. This rises a good question. For example, christians when they take psychedelics, they experience Jesus, angels and stuff. Hindus experience Shiva or Krishna. Those who read about dmt entities start meeting entities. There are some who watch too much matrix and then take psychedelics and say I've experienced that life is a computer simulation. Everything is not real. And they're super serious they even end up in mental hospital. I know one person like that. So yes. I think potential for self-deception is a big one with psychedelics. The only thing you can trust is That which is not an experience. Because every experience is just a projection of your subconscious mind I think. I like what buddhist say that unless you polish your mind totally everything you see is not true. It's distorted with your own subconscious believes, likes and dislikes. The only way to know what is true is total purification/dissolution of the mind. Idk. Makes sense to me. Regards ?

I think I have one theory that could explain maybe. Before Leo used to be more of a truth seeker. Very passionate about finding out what was true and that quality resonated with many people including me. These days leo is more like an authoritarian. Criticising people telling people what's good and bad. He became slowly more arrogant no longer so much of a seeker of truth but a defender of his opinions. And there is some truth to the things he sayes but there's also some bullpoop sprinkles mixed with the truth here and there. That's what makes a very strange aftertaste after watching his videos. Both positive and negative feelings can be felt inside. It's like drinking slightly out of date milk and you can't tell if it's already bad or is it still okey to drink it. I believe Leo's a great guy with a good heart and love for truth. Everybody is capable of turning nasty sometimes when we become unconscious. That's why rising baseline level of consciousness is important. ?

@RMQualtrough @TheSomeBody you make valid points There's nothing I can say or add to this conversation since none of us know anything about it, it would be futile to debate further I think Stay Blessed ?

In mahasamadhi you enter Nirvana. In suicide you reincarnate in a worse place then before. You go to hell basicly. At least that what people say.

I mean this thread has already derailed into unconsciousness but nevermind. I think it's impossible to make a teaching perfect using your mind. Simply if you just raised your baseline level of consciousness from person to presence everything would fall into place by itself. You just have to focus on embodiment more. Then everything you do will become sanctified by grace. Universe will make your choices not your mind. It's an important step. No master allows his studends to start teaching untill they embody higher levels of awareness, except for a few exceptions here and there. Something I think that you should strive for if you want to have a more positive impact on the world. It's an essential requirement for spiritual teachers I think. Without it everything one does is a mistake to some degree. Person is always wrong. Presence is always right. Stay Blessed and Good luck on your Journey ❤️ @Leo Gura

Some spiritual esoteric schools use psychedelic plants to open up the channels in the body but there's always a master who knows exacly what they're doing and is supervising the situation. I heard these masters even infuse their own life energy into the plants and program it to function in a specific way before consuming it. I heard one daoist school in China that still do this practice and they have the whole system of qiqong practices to compliment the path but forgot the name of it right now it's not on the mainstream I'm not an expert but my guess is that psychedelics if not handled properly will definatly create damage in the energy system. And not just energy but physical and mental also. Psychedelics are a very violent thing. It's not a wild prediction. It's pretty obvious I think. Regards ?@Ora