Salvijus

@Apple Juice just watch your breath, that's all it takes to overcome any bad state of mind and bring peace.

@Raptorsin7 well I don't really want to go very deep into it because I don't understand it fully. But in general, it's like coffee. Coffee actually is a poison, and it tastes horrible without sugar and milk. People put this poison into their body and body is being forced to fight this poison so it releases a certain amount of energy from energy resurvoirs. Then people think wow it's great, I feel so much energy but what they don’t realize is that they are draining it. Not cultivating it. And when the coffee wears out they have less energy than before. It's the same with psychedelics. It's a posion. But a different type of poison that triggers a different response. It forces a different kind of energy, a spiritual energy or kundalini energy we could call it for lack of better word. In daoism and yoga they have many different names for different energies, it's a complex thing. So this energy is being drained not cultivated. That's the difference between a sober sage and a psychedelic user, one looks like a drained vegetable another is glowing like a god or a deity with enourmous energy around them. Now there are ways of using psychedelics for your growth. Some yogis use scorpion poison and snake venom poison or mercury poison to trigger the same effect that these psychedelics do. But I don't know much about it. It's a very dangerous thing to do without proper guidence I would say. There are also ways of being drunk on alcohol 24/7 and reach enlightenment in this way. But I don't recommend somebody tries this on their own. It wouldn't be a happy ending imo.

@Raptorsin7 I don't know If I answered it properly. The reason it's easier on psychedelics is because psychedelics unload enourmous energy in the body momenteraly. That energy gives you the power to penetrate through the self. Maybe this is better answer. But that energy you unload comes at a cost somehow. It's an energy that you drain from your energy reservours. So... complex subject it is.

Yea I mean of course. Sober awakening is a gradual process. That energy you feel in your forehead will intensify overtime. At some point it will hit the peak. It's a lifelong process of intensification. Could even do mahasamdhi if it becomes too intense. The intensity of that energy and your level of awareness are the same. When you do it soberly this energy and awareness becomes permenant not like on psychedelics. That's what baseline level of awareness means. That's how you come into permenant state of presence. It happens automatically when the intensity of energy goes beyond a certain threshold.

It's the same thing. Like I sayed when seeking and psychological seeker stops an implosian of energy will happen and profound sense of being will come. Either you do this by cranking up the energies like through psychedelics or kriya yoga. Or you do this through intense self-inquiry. The end goal is the same, an insane implosian of energy in your head and the sense of doer is no more. Just nondual beingness.

It's more then just a vibration. It's an entire fat psyhic ego like an elephant there. And it's very much tangable not some hazy thing that nobody can put his attention on it. Just a sufficient degree of self awareness is needed to confirm this. I have total confidence in what I'm saying here.

The easiest way to become aware of this I doer feeling is to try to stop trying. Trying to stop trying seems like an impossible task but it's possible. This way you can become more and more aware of your I doer feeling.

It is made of desire. You'll just have to find it. It's not easy. It's an energy. A seeking energy. When you become aware of this seeking energy and tension in your mind, an inward implosian of energy happens. That's what turning inward means. An implosian of energy and the psychological drive stops. Youre just in a perfect state of here and now.

It's not a vague hardly tangable like a haze thing that nobody can put their finger on precisely. It's actually very much tangable, like a psychic doer. It's "I'm the doer" feeling. Like a tension of seeker in the psyche. One who becomes aware of this seeking tension in the mind gains the power to disidentify from it and the tension stops. I DISSAPEARS. a state of no seeking and no seeker happens. When there's no seeking, there is no seeker, when there's no seeker there's no I. Then you realize your true nature was never an I but nothingness.

Really? This looked like exacly what you've sayed. Sorry if I was wrong. ?

So then don't say I feeling doesn't exist. It's a very important state in self inquiry. It takes a lot of awareness to reach that place where you become aware of this I feeling. Then you become aware that the person I was identifying myself all this time is not me essencialy. Without becoming aware of this I which take a lot of time and awareness. Nobody becomes awake to his true self. The feeling Ima person will not go away until you become aware of the difference between a person feeling and awareness your essence feeling.. Telling people there is no I is a lie and not helpful.

Yes but the I feeling still exists. It's not imaginery concept. It's a tangable reality like your body.

No bro please.... I person feeling exists. It's possible to become aware of it. I stake my life on this. Trust me, I know from experience.

You are referring to your person. It's not an imaginary thing that doesn't exist. It's a tangable thing in your psyche, you can become aware of this "I person feeling" if you meditate sufficiently.

Lol it just came to me. How do disembodied beings have consciouness? Disembodied beings don't have brains even. Mindfuck

Yeah I agree with this. Sometimes it happens to me that I wake up at 5am fully bright and awake, but I decide to go to sleep for 1-2h and I wake up totally tired. Wtf is that ? there's some kind of spot in 5-6am where it's easy to wake up. If you miss that then it's a different world altogether.

@soos_mite_ah usually those people who clean their mind everyday wake up at 5am effortlessly. Some more advanced yogis and meditators sleep like 4h a day and are okey, because their mind is so fresh, no tamasic energy in it. Do a vipassana retreat, you'll start to wake up at 6am effortlessly I can guarantee. At least for a while. Depends if you continue the practice ? otherwise the lethargy energy will come back.

I mean it's kind of like... when I watch TV all day. I lose enourmos energy and I become super lazy and tired tho I was just sitting on a couch. And on a contrary, when I work all day and do physical activity I don't feel lazy or tired I feel on fire with energy. It's like the more you rest, the more lazy you become or smth. Of course this applies within a certain limits only. Rest is needed also.

Haha, lol. But ironicly, it's easier to wake up at 6am then to wake up at 8am. I don't know why. But somehow it works like that. If you sleep too much it sinks you down and increases that lethargy in the system. At least that's what I noticed from experience.

I'm not gonna argue because I have no idea really. But I don't think machines can have kundalini energy. That's why I would say it can't become extremely self concious. Without energy just by manipulating neurons nobody becomes very aware. Energy and consciouness are the same. It's the manipulation of energy that increases consciouness not how much neurons one has. That would be how I see it. But it's pointless to go deeper because It's really dark territoty. We're just speculating ?

Yeah but it has degrees of self awareness. You can be super self aware. That would be enlightenment. Or you be little self aware, that would be ignorance and a state of a person.

No idea. But when I did. My body was blowing with energy in my head. So energy has something to do with it I'm sure

Idk... maybe you're right. It's beyond my comprehenshion this topic ? My question would be. How does awareness become more aware of itself? Mindfuck.... I have a vague theory about it but I couldn't even articulate it properly.

@SS10 @OneHandClap no guys Im serious. There are stories where some occult masters would produce human beings in artificial way or would rise a corpse into life again and that corpse would be concious again. So it really makes you think. Because consciouness is energy. It's primordial energy. Non phenomenal energy. You don't need neurons to become more conscious. You need to cranck up your energies to become more concious. That's how kriya yoga works. You cranck up your kundalini energy and your consciouness expands into infinity. It's because consciouness and energy is the same. Entire universe is energy. Body is a very gross energy, consciouness is a nonphysical energy but still energy. I don't see what neurons have to do with consciouness at all. P.S. I don't understand anything at all. ?

I change my mind. Maybe it is possible. But it wouldn't be a normal science. It would be some insane occult spiritual science.