Salvijus

The desire could be unconcious. For example your attention abides somewhere inside naturally without you being concious of what is causing the attention to rest there. And suddenly a hot boyfriend shows up (or some other object of high interest) . Then all your attention goes on that object. Why? Because it is of higher interest. If your attention is inside most of the time than it's because it's a place of higher interest for you. See how it all connects nicely? If something is of no interest to you. You wouldnt even register that object in your awareness.

A suggested view point: you can direct your attention somewhere else only if there is desire to do it first. Desire dictates attention.

Bingo. And why is your attention at one place naturally and not the other? My suggested answer: because you see value in holding your attention there. The conclusion thus follows: Where your interests are there your attention goes.

Well i think that view point crumbles under questioning. At least i don't see any basis to support that view point yet. Also. It's probably your logical deduction, not your experience.

"What is bad art" To follow up on the previous thought. Ego is a bad art because it downlifts your spirit. And so all the manifestions of it: anger, judgement, fear, depression, attachment, lust, slothfulness, greed, disease, war etc. These expression can come through many art mediums/shapes/formats. Anything that puts you down basically.

Nature is very beautiful art indeed

I asked once the same question on the forum and I got an answer that I remember till now even. "art is something that uplifts your spirit"

very nice Dope. "Footprints of god's care"

Well here's a question: 1. Can I hold my attention on something I have no interest in? 2. And why would I pay attention to something if I have no interest or desire to hold my attention there? 3. Or why would I hold my attention on something if I see no value in doing so? In my understanding. The focus of energy/attention goes only to those places that are perceived as valuable/of interest/of benefit. I don't know if I'm missing something here. But so far it looks like solid and perfectly logical position.

Hm

Here's an interesting thought. @Osaid Where desire goes, there attention follows aswell. If one had no desire to serve the ego. That one would have zero attention on the body. Because ego is the identity with the body/belief that the body is "me". So without any desire to serve the ego, attention would be sucked away from the body into infinity (also called samadhi where one zones out of existence for a while in infinity) . And the pain of 50years of sitting he would have no special importance that would require attention. And what you pay no attention to, you don't register its existence even into your awareness. (For example when I used to play video games in cross legged. I wouldn't register the pain/numbness in my legs (and other simptoms associated my body) because I would be so absorbed in gaming.) Just something I was contemplating and wanted to share.

Ok, tcare Have a wonderful day

Amen

Haha. Lol I always imagined myself like this tho:

@bebotalk 🥱 there's no need to be so mean... lol. Nice. I'm happie (happy-pie) for you

Maybe "tired of spiritual gibberish that people speak on the forum" haha But real spirituality is forevermore exhilarating I believe. At least for me. If it's not invigorating, then it's probably fake. And the spirit of truth is absent in that material. After all, truth is the most invigorating thing there is. Your eyes and soul should set on fire upon encounters with different expressions of truth. That's how you know you're on the right track.

Okay it's enough chatting for me. I'm going to sleep. Was nice to participate in this talk:) 👋✌️

Gheesh. Lol. Well... You have to agree with me when I say these are quite gigantic claims. I'm not gonna question if it's true or not tho. But probability wise, it's very very hard to believe imo

Whaaaaaat. Lol what kind of logic bending gymnastics is this I don’t know how you were able to dodge the question so eloquently lol. But let me get this straight. You're claiming you can sit for 50years with absolutely no sense of restlessness or impatience?

@Osaid I want to hear your thoughts on this

I like this part. And this. But not this but I don't have the energy to disagree anymore

I would be able to sit with eyes closed for 50 years and not even notice it. Now you see the size of weight of claiming to have transcended impatience?

@Osaid the problem is, some people are completely oblivious to their inner conditions and they always think they are "fine" when in reality they are "far from fine". I'm not saying it's you. But in general. Many people are quite blind to the levels of misery that lives deep deep inside them. Often would even say they are happy to others with a big smile on their face lol.

@Osaid @Osaid the realization might be simple according to you. But the elimination of misery has so many layers... That is what I wonder if you truly appreciate the depths of it by saying you have ended all of it... Big statements... Big big big statements.... Super gigantic statements right there.

@Osaid @Osaid well... I wonder if you realize the weight of claiming to have escaped all misery that gets generated by the ego. A part of me thinks there's probably lack of self awareness and lack of appreciation in you of how many subtle layers of unpeace can there be. But it's just my gut feeling. But good for you if it's true:)