Salvijus

Sensation is not the ego. Yes. I hear you. But giving importance and attention to the sensation is the ego. And here's the most beautiful part that I want to share again. Once interest in ego is transcend. Interest in the body is transcend. Once interest in the body is tranceded. What happens in the body(even the pain of sitting for 50 years) doesn't even register in awareness anymore. Because "you don't give a shit anymore" to put it simply haha It's a beautiful beautiful thing.

No. It's not a technique. It's simply what happens when you lose all interest in ego. Automatically you lose all interest in what is happening the body aswell because body = ego. (of course ego is more then that like mental conditioning and what not, but fundamentally ego is very closely tied with the body) And it's not about trying to zone out of sensation. All sensations simply get recognized as "not worthy of attention". And in such a state a person becomes unfunctional anymore. He's just in samadhi. Truly out of time now. This is what true no self, no ego looks like.

I think you missed the third option which I was trying to share. The third option is "to not even notice the body". Because attention goes only to those places that we believe are of value to us. And body has value only for the ego. Hence when all ego is gone, all attention would be on infinity. And 50y pain would not even register in your awareness because your attention is on the Beyond only.

I think if you make your mind satvic, you will naturally wake up early and go to sleep appropriately. Addictions and overstimulated mind (like gaming and TV shows for example) I believe are your number 1 obstacle in this direction.

To speak the truth is not that difficult imo. I would say to the degree you're honest, to that degree you speak the truth.

In my experience dissociation/withdrawal/ignoring doesn't work. It just puts the feelings under the rug. But when the situation or a person pops up in your awareness, again the same feelings will surface. The only thing that has ever worked for me was learning to be vulnurable, allowing all feelings to be there as it is. And let it be transformed/healed through heart's presence/energy. It's a powerful advice, unfortunaly it can be tricky to explain how to tap into that energy of forgiveness. But maybe this comment will give you some hints/direction where to begin to look for an answer.

@Sugarcoat :)

I understand what you're proposing. I'm not dismissing your theory. I just find the theory that "the personality is more fundamental to human conditioning than brain" more compelling for me personally. I can only share my logic and way of thinking of how I arrived at that conclusion. Whether or not that theory makes sense to others is up to them to decide. No harm in contemplating different view points tho. It's just exploration of ideas as far as I'm concerned.

That's what is usually assumed by people. But my own questioning leads me to believe the brain has nothing to do with your values. The brain is an instrument to express your personality. Like the hand doesn't have a personality but is an instrument for personality to be expressed I know 🙏

But you being affected by societies conditioning is becuase you have a personality that is more or less focused outward so focused on the world

I would propose that the brain is responsible for your cognitive functioning. Things like memory, assimilation of information, making links between concepts etc. But it is the personality and conditioning that determines your values/desires/interest and thus the direction of your attention.

I would propose an idea that the same principle that applies to surface desires apply to fundamentals of one's psyche aswell. I would propose that it is not the brain and neurology that determines introvert from extrovert but a personality. And personality is conditioning. And conditioning is a set of beliefs and values. Note that key word "values"

The desire could be unconcious. For example your attention abides somewhere inside naturally without you being concious of what is causing the attention to rest there. And suddenly a hot boyfriend shows up (or some other object of high interest) . Then all your attention goes on that object. Why? Because it is of higher interest. If your attention is inside most of the time than it's because it's a place of higher interest for you. See how it all connects nicely? If something is of no interest to you. You wouldnt even register that object in your awareness.

A suggested view point: you can direct your attention somewhere else only if there is desire to do it first. Desire dictates attention.

Bingo. And why is your attention at one place naturally and not the other? My suggested answer: because you see value in holding your attention there. The conclusion thus follows: Where your interests are there your attention goes.

Well i think that view point crumbles under questioning. At least i don't see any basis to support that view point yet. Also. It's probably your logical deduction, not your experience.

"What is bad art" To follow up on the previous thought. Ego is a bad art because it downlifts your spirit. And so all the manifestions of it: anger, judgement, fear, depression, attachment, lust, slothfulness, greed, disease, war etc. These expression can come through many art mediums/shapes/formats. Anything that puts you down basically.

Nature is very beautiful art indeed

I asked once the same question on the forum and I got an answer that I remember till now even. "art is something that uplifts your spirit"

very nice Dope. "Footprints of god's care"

Well here's a question: 1. Can I hold my attention on something I have no interest in? 2. And why would I pay attention to something if I have no interest or desire to hold my attention there? 3. Or why would I hold my attention on something if I see no value in doing so? In my understanding. The focus of energy/attention goes only to those places that are perceived as valuable/of interest/of benefit. I don't know if I'm missing something here. But so far it looks like solid and perfectly logical position.

Hm

Here's an interesting thought. @Osaid Where desire goes, there attention follows aswell. If one had no desire to serve the ego. That one would have zero attention on the body. Because ego is the identity with the body/belief that the body is "me". So without any desire to serve the ego, attention would be sucked away from the body into infinity (also called samadhi where one zones out of existence for a while in infinity) . And the pain of 50years of sitting he would have no special importance that would require attention. And what you pay no attention to, you don't register its existence even into your awareness. (For example when I used to play video games in cross legged. I wouldn't register the pain/numbness in my legs (and other simptoms associated my body) because I would be so absorbed in gaming.) Just something I was contemplating and wanted to share.

Ok, tcare Have a wonderful day

Amen