Salvijus

I want to write something thought provoking. Neem karoli baba. A miracle worker, King and highly embodied being of love consciousness. Known to do supernatural things that defy logic. Died in a hospital with some diseases in the body. Master Chao Kok Sui. One of the greatest healers of all times, have healed dozens and dozens of patients of all kinds of diseases. The are cases where people from a wheel chair would start to walk after his interference. Had many health problems in the body himself and died prematurely because of it. J. Krishnamurti. A prophecied prodigy by the theosophical society. A messiah of God levels of love consciousness. Died with pancreas cancer. Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. Known as a god of love with extraordinary spiritual capabilities, knowledge and perception. Died with cancer. Vivekananda. Another legend in spiritual circles. Died at 39 with many health problems. Ramana Maharshi. Died with cancer. These are some that I can think of of the top of my head. I feel confident somehow that if you did more research on this. You'd find an endless list of similar cases. Now why am I sharing this? I was hoping this would challenge people's perseption as to how many factiors there are in human health and how complex the whole thing is. Perhaps we don't know all the answers of what makes a person healthy. And what are all the laws (visible and invisible) that determine health that extend far beyond just 'overworking' or 'lack of self care' lol I like one perspective on this subject as I heard one sage express his thoughts on "why enlightened beings get sick" he sayed, "the body itself is a disease..." wow. Quite a powerful thought. I was thinking for myself recently about this subject. Perhaps not to get sick is a violation of physical laws itself. Once you're on earth, you're bound to get some dust, there's no escaping it. For what it's worth. Sadhguru we if discount his brain incident, is probably one of the most vibrant and healthy individuals out there exceeding many norms in what the body can do on a daily basis. So that is also an interesting piece of data if you think he wasn't taking care of himself enough that should challenge that view perhaps.

There are many possible interpretations of the situation. I still think the one i proposed could be valid. Not out of defense but out of exploration of what's out there. And what makes sense and what doesn't. That's why I enjoyed your take because on some level it sounds logical. But there is logic in what I wrote aswell. I hoped you'd be able to appreciate it...

I thought it was pretty good

Nice Now that is interesting and honest perspective to read. I feel inspired to propose a few ideas for contemplation tho. First. Is Sadhguru (or any enlightened being for that matter) in need of self love to begin with? Or physical wellbeing doesn't matter to him. Perhaps body is just an instrument to him to do certain work. So as long as it is functional it is good enough. So he patched up a few holes in the instrument here and there with painkillers and whatnot. And it's all good. Perhaps he doesn't take the deterioration of the body very seriously. Only to the extent it is needed to do the work he's doing. Just an alternative perspective for contemplation here.

Mmm... I believe if you payed more attention next time you'd realize just how much you misinterpreted the whole messenge around sleep.

I replaced the word lack with forgetting. Almost the same thing as you. Only love is real, yes. But I don't call mirages as reality too. That's what calling fear love amounts to basically.

Wherever you see any of those energies at play, there love is Forgotten and veiled by illusions. And these illusions are being accepted as reality. A mirage is not the reality. Fear is never the truth. Only love is truth. Ignorance and illusions and fear are the forgetting of love/of reality.

Illusions are not the truth Frustration is not peace Judgement is not acceptance Condemnation is not forgiveness Belittling is not appreciatelion Contraction is not openness. Greed is not sharing Control is not faith Manipulation is not trust And so fear is not love, for all these are synonymous All these are but a lack of love

I meant to say fighting and defending your perception over others is futile because everyone sees according to their own level of development, self-awareness and purity of mind. And it's bad taste to impose your view on others anyway. I believe encouraging/fostering/promoting deeper self-reflection, deeper contemplation, deeper awareness, deeper honesty is the only worthwhile thing to do. And this will naturally lead in better judgement and perception of the situation. Plus it's not confrontational. We all get to be friends that way, yey!

Everyone should judge for themselves. Everyone will have their own perception and it's okay. 100 people will have 100 different perceptions of the same person based on their own level of insight and wisdom. I'm not interested in debating who has the most accurate perception of the situation. I'm rather interested discussing and exploring topics that foster self-reflection, contemplation, intellect, challenge our ego etc. That way it's much more fruitful.

It is good that you have your own perception. Everyone is free to have their own opinion of a person based on their level of understanding and perception. This is good. And I'm not interested in interfering with that. However there some topics that I find interesting that have potential for exploration and new insight. Like: the differences between slavary and volunteering, or the beauty of a devotee and surrender, the role of a shepherd on one's path and its depth and possiblities etc. This is where the gold of discussion is to me.

"About volunteers not being payed" The thing is. Sadhguru himself is not being payed. All the resources are being invested in to fulfill the Vision that includes a better life for All on the planet. The ones that are being payed and benefited by their work are us actually. The lazy grumpy people complaining on the internet.

Oh okay

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I don’t think I was trying to say, becoming hospitalized is good for humanity. I don't know why you credit that unto me.

This thread is about yoga vs psychedelics? 😮 What? :D... I don’t know what ad hominem means but Yea this is not cool.

And what if. By taking care of others, life takes care of you?

"you can't pour from an empty cup" What if. Service to others is what fills your cup with insane amount of love?

You say love to everything lol

No I wouldn't. But again... No one knows what caused the bleeding. You're jumping to conclusions too fast that it was the overworking. Wow. Okay... Tcare

I saw it too.

Mmm... If your definition of a workaholic is someone who is relentless in his pursuit of helping others. Then... Why such a negative connotation? It should be a positive thing.

I agree here. And perhaps he is doing it sustainably. We don't know what caused the brain bleeding. Perhaps he was doing all things good and well and something just happened.

Oh that old phylosophical game... Yea I know. Service is the most Devine selfishness there is. Because you serve the yourself which is the whole LIFE. Indeed selfish.

True. True. And I do acknowledge these to be valid ways to live as well. But what if.... There is nothing more fulfilling than to be of service in life? Perhaps that is what is driving an enlightened mind to be of such intense service. Perhaps that is the wisest thing one could do or be in samadhi would be the other extreme.