Dan Arnautu

Yeah, they tend to feel somewhat like polar opposites.

@NoSelfSelf If you have a skill you are good at, leverage it. Otherwise, flip burgers for minimum wage. That should cover your situation for a while. That is, if you want to move as quickly as possible. You can also tell your parents that you need a few months to learn a skill in order to be able to get a half-decent to decent job. If you are older than 22 though, your parents owe you nothing. Thus, they shouldn't care if you have to get a job at Mc Donald's. You don't have the leverage for that kind of audacity right now. Welcome to the real world.

Go out more. You're ovethinking and making up boundaries that don't exist.

Glad to hear that, man! Yeah, the game is a wonderful thing. I've met so many amazing people because of it. It even helped me land my first job, haha.

Yeah, I agree. I challenge people to hit the clubs for just 1 night, alone, and meet people. No friends and no permission to go home until 5 a.m. either. No safety net. No group to go back to. You either talk to people or you're seen as the weird loner guy. I've done that once, and I'm gonna do it again in the future. A real transformational experience. People are gonna learn more in that one night about themselves than they have learned in years. It's like putting a mirror on your insecurities. And if you can push through it, and have some success, it feels like a million bucks. It's the feeling of leaning just beyond your edge, as David Deida puts it.

Do you still wear socks in the awakened state? Disregard the spiral at your own peril.

That's a rather limited/black and white way of looking at it.

@kev014 Thanks for the detailed advice. Gonna try to see if like that.

Search for the colleges that Stan Grof and David R. Hawkins went to. Although you will find people that began to dip their toes into turquoise in green communities. I personally know a yellow/turquoise guy thay hangs out mostly in green communities.

It wasn't instantaneous though. It took a few minutes.

@Toby Kundalini awakening symptoms/manifestations.

@Tony 845 Thanks. I just found a pdf online of "Enlightenment through the path of kundalini". Is there any specific chapter that addresses this and how to handle it? I was browsing through it and hadn't found anything specific on the symptoms I was having. I don't want to recreate the experience. It's way too much. But it almost always happens close to the 15 min mark in meditation. 3rd time already. So I can't meditate anymore until I learn how to handle this. Thanks a lot for the support. I really appreciate it.

@Martin123 It caught me by surprise. Again, it feels way too strong to handle. I might have done something wrong, so don't congratulate me just yet. It's feels trying to fit a nuclear reactor into a light bulb. Glad I could snap out of it by moving my body and focusing on the breath. It renders me useless for the following hour afterwards. Also frightening as fuck. You feel like you're gonna explode or something. I just want to meditate and observe my thoughts and emotions without getting caught up with them. I'm not chasing mystical experiences just yet, especially this strong.

Hmm, maybe. Allthough, I think Julien is going through a full on green phase, comical clothing style and all. Yeah, almost all of their audience is orange. Tyler has to hold the whole RSD brand together, and at this point I think his business is starting to stunt his growth at orange, with a little lenicency towards green (cuz he has a fraction of his audience at green too) .

@Cepzeu My pleasure. @d0ornokey Good addition. I love Jocko. Though David R. Hawkins was already in there. @BjarkeT Thanks. Feel free to help us make it bigger. Julien deleted all his pickup videos and wants to be a pure self-help teacher now from what I saw. I created some of his recent facebook ads and social media creatives and from the content I needed to go through for that, it seems that he is moving into green pretty well. He wants to teach people how to get over childhood trauma, insecurities, learn how to meditate, become awesome human beings etc. He is not interested in teaching people how to pick up girls and have sex anymore. He just released 'Transformation Mastery Academy', which is pretty dope. Tyler also recently got into healthy vegan eating, juicing, taking herbs, getting rid of outcome dependency, teaching how to build genuine relationships and confidence etc. He still has a plenty of orange, but he is slowly moving into green. I think Nelson Mandela was green, although I haven't studied him that much. Hmmm, yeah, on second thought, Gandhi might also have also been only green, but idk. I started his autobiography ('Experiments with Truth') a while ago but I got bored of it a quarter way through. I don't know him well enough. What I know of him is from the autobiography and the movie 'Gandhi'.

Hmm, I don't know what healthy Red or Purple would look like. I don't know these stages very well. I'm waiting for your videos on these two and then I'm gonna delve into the books on spiral dynamics. Thank you for the advice. I'm gonna definitely check what's left to integrate and learn from those as well now that you pointed this out.

@Lorcan I gave the list based on my own level and teachers I resonate with. I am almost fully into green, with a bit of orange to integrate so I don't need stage red or blue role models. That's why I invite you to come up with your own examples for the stages you need, especially because different people resonate with different role models. I am trying to make this a group exercise.

I will look more into it. I'm open to being wrong. And of course I don't know everything about the big 5. I think I am not judging people here though. People are telling you how they are on these tests. I recall a question on the dark triad where it asks you if you like to pick on people or bully them. I ain't judging them as a bully in this case. They just told me. Just as unconscientious people tell you they are disorganized. In my experience until now, all the unconscientiouss people I met were unreliable. I am open to seeing the opposite in the future. I would love to see a reliable cunconscientiouss person. That would tell me I have a lot more to learn. It hasn't happened until now though. I'll tell you this though. I personally know extraordinary musicians that are highly unconscientiouss, like, world-class. So you do have a point. But, although they are great musicians and they are my colleagues, our coach tells me often enough that they show up late for lessons and events, rely solely on talent and little work, and are very forgetful. They didn't even show up for the free lessons they won. And lessons with this coach are very expensive. I dismiss people with a low conscientiousness score because I've been on both sides of the spectrum and that would fit my future business needs. For the businesses I'm gonna start in the future I'm probably not gonna accept people with a score lower than 80. Might seem harsh at first glance, but tough titty. I don't have time to hold your hand all the way. I want self-motivated, hard working, organized and disciplined people to work with me. People that can't wait to get to work the next day because it brings them more joy than leisure activities, just like in my case. If I wanted to hire a cashier I wouldn't worry too much about conscientiousness. They are gonna do the job. What I'm talking about is creating a strong team to build an amazing business. I can't afford loose ends. I might hire people with low agreeableness though because they provide a different perspective and cut through bullshit, but I won't make a compromise on conscientiousness. Finally, I won't judge people if they don't want to take the test. If they don't want to share them with me, I'm gonna find out how they are anyway through observation. Usually I'm not giving them out of curiosity, but to protect myself if they have a high dark triad score. It saved my ass many times. For example, psychopathic and machiavellic roommate offered to sign a paper for my university while I was in another country. Some kind of legal protocol needed to be made in order for him to be able to do that. He later admitted that he could have used that signature for anything, even buying a house or take credit in my name. I knew he was machiavellic and would have no shame in fucking people close to him over for personal gain, so I was very cautious and did not give it to him. This is just one instance out of many. In my mind, better safe than sorry. I'm not trying to prove you wrong. I appreciate your perspective and think it can be valid. It just hasn't been validated with my personal experience yet, and It's just a personal preference not to have low conscientiousness work colleagues around me.

At first I thought that too. We have to keep in mind that science doesn't do many studies with outliers. Most people aren't willing to change. That's why the results can reflect that. With self-development work, I elevated my conscientiousness score from 56 to 95, my agreeableness score from 80 to 98, my Honesty-Humility (Hexaco) from 46 to 90 and decreased my machiavellianism from 30 to 4. Also, the anxiety sub-trait of Emotionality decreased from around 60 to 33. Change is very possible. The problem is that this involves PERSONALITY change. You are changing everything about you, from how you act to how think and how you emote. How many people are actually willing to do this - to kill their current personality so that a new one emerges? Only the outliers will do this. The rest of the people will remain stuck with the same problems for the rest of their lives. What you are saying is equivalent to someone saying: "Why the hell should I change? I don't need to change. I can remain a lazy asshole. I just need to find an environment that accepts me as a lazy asshole, and then we will live happily ever after." That's just the devil rationalizing his behavior and avoiding deep inner work. What makes you unique won't die in the process - only what's impure. But I challenge you to find that for yourself.

Please read my reply more carefully. I said there is nothing wrong with being introverted. I am too. IF it limits you in some way though, I offered to give you helpful resources. High agreeableness is perfect IF you are also assertive. I don't know if you are. In case you aren't, I gave you some resources for that. So you may only have to address conscientiousness and emotional stability, which is at least 10x better than most people that gave me their results. Most people are shipwrecks, let me tell you that. So be glad you may only have those two to improve. I personally need to work on assertiveness and anxiousness for example.

Yeah, I was saying that making it into a more granular model (e.g. assigning low openness and high agreeableness a term) just causes needless complexity. You can just call the traits for what they are. Yes, the big 5 traits are composed of multiple sub-traits, as you say, of course. And I agree with the fact that one can be high on one sub-trait and low on another of the same dimension of the big 5. I think we can both agree though that someone has a score of 10 or less in conscientiousness doesn't have even a decent score at any of the sub-traits of conscientiousness. For someone to be high in perfectionism and low on every other sub-trait, the conscientiousness score should still of more than a 10. Of course, I wouldn't want a highly agreeable person as my bodyguard. I would want a psychopath that is very low on agreeableness. No personality type is wrong. Also, some are better than others depending on the environment you're in. People that are trying to avoid work are not ones I would like to hire. I want people that love to work, that enjoy it. Why would I hire someone that doesn't love the work they do? Of course, I'm not talking about basic cashier jobs. But, if you are a video editor for example, I give you exciting projects and you aren't willing to work hard for them and don't enjoy working, why would I want to keep you around? Hiring a person higher in conscientiousness is always a bigger win. They will work harder for you. And that doesn't mean you shouldn't pay them accordingly. I am willing to pay for high quality work. And so do most conscious employers. I forgot to add a caveat. I always offer my results first. My machiavellians score is 0. Why would you be suspicious of me for taking the test then? And I don't think it's sensitive information. If somebody is anxious, you will see it anyway. If they are agreeable, you will see it anyway eventually. Why not cut the effort and get it over with faster? Why waste time figuring each other out?

You are doing good. Like all of us, there is always room for improvement though. Extraversion It's ok to be introverted if it doesn't limit you from doing certain things. If it does, you need to build self-confidence and self-esteem. I can suggest some resources if you have that problem. Emotional stability If you have a high anxiety score, get specialized help or go through some books that will help you with it. Some that I recommend: Letting Go by Dr. David R. Hawkins The Anxiety & Phobia Workbook Agreeableness Highly agreeable people usually have a hard time standing up for themselves. They avoid conflict at all costs. They smooth the water. High agreeableness is balanced with assertiveness training The Self-Authoring and Future Authoring program by Jordan Peterson The Assertiveness Workbook No More Mr. Nice Guy book Mate by Geoffrey Miller (the chapter on the 'Tender Defender') Other tips for highly agreeable people Say exactly what you mean, even if the truth is nasty. Figure out what you want (create a vision and set goals) This will help you observe when your boundaries are crossed Conscientiousness Start to do things that require or build discipline Do military service Go to the gym a set number of times a week Build good organizational habits Go to bed and wake up at the same hour every day Create weekly and daily schedules Make your bed every morning Work as an assistant for an important person Work for go-getters Intellect/Imagination This is basically 'Openness to Experience' - you are open to new ideas, concepts and experiences Be careful because high openness to experience and low emotional stability is often correlated with mental illness and psychosis (we are in the same boat here). Evolutionary psychologists advise you to be very cautious in these cases. Unless we work on our neurosis, there is a high chance for real psychological problems in the future. High openness can also make you believe all sorts of whacky ideas so also watch out for that. It's ok to transcend logic, but it's stupid to throw it away and not use it anymore.

Yeah, you can divide it in as many categories as you want. I don't know if that would be helpful though. I think it would cause needless complexity to create archetypes with The Big 5. I don't know, from my experience, every person I tested with a conscientiousness score of less than 50 was very unreliable as an individual. Geoffrey Miller tended to be of the same opinion in the book 'Spent', and you can find a few authors in the reference section of the book that would think the same. Tai Lopez also uses this model for hiring. He doesn't even accept job applications if you don't have a score over 50 on agreeableness, conscientiousness and emotional stability (and even this estimation is conservative on my part) and if you don't have a score lower than 30-40 on each of the dark triad aspects. Even if the person were actually reliable in reality with a low conscientiousness score, I would not bet on it and I would play it safe and I hire someone else. Now, to each his own, of course. I totally agree. What I'm talking about is them being suspicious of you if you were curious about their results. That would be a red flag for me. 'Why do you want me to take the test? What are your hidden motives? Are you trying to exploit me? etc.' That can indicate machiavellianism. Not necessarily, but I would watch out for it. People who are not manipulative usually aren't that paranoid. When you are manipulative you need to watch your back at every step for someone to get even or stab you in the back I don't quite get what you mean. Do you mean that they can be decent, functional members of society or do you mean that you can't identify them with these tests? Please clarify. If it's the latter, yes, they do blend well in society, but you can identify them. I had the most shocking realization when my roommate scored almost 100 in all the dark triad aspects. Worse, he was highly conscientious, charismatic, with a big success drive, and a high IQ. He could easily be a modern day Hitler. I analyzed his behavior over the course of a year. It's downright horrifying how they think, although it can be useful in certain environments. This guy wants to become dean of the law university, and he told me all sorts of sneaky plans to fuck people over and get in power. He already applied some of them, and thus he is now vice president of a department in an international law community. He tried to manipulate me many times, from little things to big things. If I didn't know his scores, I would be in deep shit right now. I know how to thread when I'm around him now. He can never manipulate me now that I know the scores and he knows that too, so he made me some sort of ally because he knows I'm his polar opposite and he can benefit from it. He tells me all the manipulations he wants to do with the education system, law system, relationships he has etc. Watch your backs, folks. It's no joke.

@bejapuskas Your scores are good overall but no employer in their right mind would hire you with that conscientiousness score. Low conscientiousness is directly correlated with sloppy work, cutting corners, lack of attention to details, showing up late, being unorganized, being unable to stick to a schedule and a low tendency to work hard.

Myers-Briggs is a model from the 1940's-50's. It's very old. A lot of breakthrough science on personality has come out since then. All the others I mentioned are very new and cutting edge. More and more studies are starting to show that almost all personality tests from past to present can boil down to the 5 dimensions of the big 5 + general IQ, which evolutionary psychologist Geoffrey Miller calls 'The Central 6'. The Big 5 + The Dark Triad are very powerful tools to use in your arsenal. Give them to any potential date, any potential business partner, every close friend, every family member, every coworker and every boss. If you know how to read the results it will save you years of frustration with people and you will be able to avoid the ones that will fuck you over and make your life a living hell. Don't underestimate the power of these two assessments. They are as powerful as brain scans. You will be able to identify sociopaths, psychopaths, machiavellic devils, as well as untrustworthy and unstable people in general. I will give these asessements to any prospect student, teacher, mentor, employee or job applicant and collaborator. P.S.: Them being suspicious about taking the test is already a red flag. It indicates paranoia that they will be fucked over, and usually only manipulative people are that paranoic. Healthy people are not worried that they will get bad scores.