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@Emerald I don't think they are going to release the 100%... I had given up on the idea that the delay on the results was intentional this morning, whoever the winner would be in the end. But how is it that the counting stops exactly when the difference is in 0'1, the smallest possible, kidding me? I think it was and is intentional again, I can't understand why they are not giving complete results by now. With BIden fallen, Buttigieg has been the virtual winner for three days and this has bumped him in donations and polls for New Hampshire. We don't know who won yet. But, yes, I think it was Bernie in all metrics, not only popular vote. I'm open to be proven wrong, but how is it that I have not yet? Yet, even stolen a good healine bump this week, at least if I'm not wrong, Bernie has ended up well from Iowa. His biggest rival was Biden, Buttigieg could be a weaker rjval in the overal USA picture. He cannot appeal to the senior moderate voters that well, in fact, those may start sympathising with Bernie too as he is as old as them.

What's wrong now? All day stuck in 97%, why does it take so long to count the remaining 3%? I say this because I'm reading something about a recanvass. They haven't even finished counting yet! What recanvass? Is this a bad joke? The difference is 0'1 now, 3% is still relevant.

@Parththakkar12 I'd say Trump had some kind of anti establishment halo around him on 2016, he wasn't taken seriously either and that's a big mistake all his opponents in his primaries made and also Hillary. There are some kind of odd candidates, like actors, comedians and famous people, Beppe Grillo in Italy seemed a joke, Schwarzenegger in California or Trump in this case fall in that category too, and for some reason they get simpathy and support and they win. But the enchantment is gone, he does not have that now, he is the president and everyone has seen him in charge. A lot of his supporters got very loyal, but a lot of them have distanced from him and his manners too. This is just my perception, I could be wrong.

I'm getting more optimistic, but there is a long way to run yet. Democrats have to insist on the especific policies that they are going to implement. Bernie is very consciously doing that, starting with healthcare, and that's how he has earned the biggest base support and people donating to his campaing. Republicans won't necessarily fight clean, just remember Florida on the 2000, Bush and Gore election. Trump and his loyals are even worse, I'd say cheating without being noticed is part of the fair game for them, totally red. But Democrats have learned too, even in the very recent primary events we have seen that people won't get any shit, it's not about being suspicious, it's about demanding clean elections and results, and also making sure they are, which is great we seem to be in that point. If Bernie is the candidate, what he is proposing is very ambitious, very powerfull companies would stop making millions with those policies implemented. They are going to fight him hard, starting with the media which they heavily control, but they can't control the whole internet, at least yet. There will be international interference, but as long as the parties don't seek or buy them on purpose, that's part of the world geopolitic game now, I wouln't focus on that much. How can you stop Russia or China doing whatever they want, as long as it's not an act of war or go against commertial agreements? You can't. If they prefer Trump because he is an unconscious corrup leader in the White House, they will interfere in his favor and there is no way to stop that. The strategy for the Democrats remains the same, show American people their policies will make their lives and their economy better, because they will. Bernie just got in the race right now, a few months ago he was still being underestimated and not taken very seriously. Last time a president endangered such powerful forces, I would say he ended up with some bullets inside and dead, John Kennedy. Then his brother Bobby, who was even brighter, got his ration too when was running his primaries and he was going to win them, as well as the presidency, Americans just adored this family. I know, I'm exaggerating, times have changed and today it won't get to that, Sanders is not going to be killed, but just don't expect a fair fight, before and after the elections. Between Obama and Sanders, man, there is a big gap. Not going against Obama, because he reached where he could, but Sanders is showing way more ambition.

Wow, I'm reading that with the 97% Buttigieg is winning by three delegates. The difference is so narrow that I'm going to wait until the 100% to make a final analysis and I intend to keep my word.

Cenk Uygur analysis about Iowa events: Pete spoke too much, he literally said he was victorious before having the official results. if he is not, his image will be damaged. Bernie has been more cautious, may be the experience. People and even journalists can speak more loosely, candidates should not. If he is indeed the winner, it's true this mess goes against him, it goes against anyone who has won. If he is not, he screwed himself, at least a bit. The responsibles in Iowa are doing a horrible job, come on, more than two days to count? Releasing partial results that could change with the complete ones with such a big margin between them? What joke is this? What are they counting? It is good Bernie's team is keeping records too, because these guys can't be trusted, as far as we have seen. Of course Bernie's count won't serve, for obvious reasons, but they are another metric to compare, so the others are more tied to be clean, which is important. I think the final results will be legit, they kept the paper trails too. But so many days to release the results do not help to build trust. All this delay and the partial selected data releases stink really bad to me. From the very begining I thought Bernie had won and that they were deliberatelly taking his momentum from him. I put my balls on it, well, my continuity in the forum, by my choice. I made a post with the title we should have had on newspapers on tuesday, just to make the point, I knew there were not official results then, in fact, we don't have them yet. Whatever, I won't say we'll know soon, because who knows when these incompetents will finish their job.

I think we are discussing and analyzing events with what we are given. I'll accept a ban if I have to, his cave, his rules. I did drop the ball giving the win to Bernie with no official results yet, saying Bernie crushed Biden in the very title, but that was intentional. I also said that they would play with the numbers, after about 24 hours, a 62% result is released with Buttigieg as a virtual winner, putting him more in the race. I'm going again, with the 100% result, Bernie will be the winner, If not, I'll leave the forum myself with an apology, that's my commitment and I'm a man of word. I'll also accept a ban if moderators consider it best, whatever results we get in the end and whatever reasons they have, but I spoke my mind and I think that's worth it. The delay in the 100% has not been well justified, some vague explanations about problems with the app don't make it for me. My analysis right now, in case I can't do it later. Biden has fallen, I don't think anybody doubts that, now or even on Monday night. Buttigieg gets up, he's getting a great result and that was unexpected, but I don't think he has a good overal chance. Bernie is doing better with all the minorities and even whites. Warren is not doing well enough. Their only chance against Bernie is to unite, but the question is with whom. Biden was the man for that, as he can appeal to senior moderates, but he crashed in the first lap. Bloomberg? An election with two millionaires? Come on! One more unrelated thing. I'm very dissapointed with Nancy Pelosi's behavior, she didn't put the Trump speech paper she tore up in the recycle bin. How dare she, what about the environment! Greta will be mad at her!

I know, they are going to be talking about other stuff like whatever system failure, that nobody wins or even I've read that Trump wins in Iowa in some mediums. What a twisted narrative. Delaying the results they pretend to steal Bernie his momentum and a win, who knows how they are playing with the numbers right now. But it's not going to work, the more adverse they put it, the more will fight his base. They expected to have Biden leading by now. Not only he is not, he is far from second. Insurance companies and Big Pharma are getting very scared, because Bernie's signature policy is Medicare for all. Of course, there are others, but not going to go there now. I'm positive about all this, people just will have to push Bernie even harder and keep their eyes more open to cheaters, it's good to know where we stand.

@Bno Good to see that they were already on guard. I don't know how this caucus system works, learning on the spot, I guess. But I'm not buying they couldn't manage to apply simple arithmetics, with or without an app. If Bernie's team kept their records clean and clear, they gotta make them public.

Who judges the judges? Me. You are guilty of judging too much. I sentence you to wear a wristband and think about this every time you look at it!

Men, I'm feeling The Bern!

A YouTuber called Josh Pieters tricked the rightwing commentator from the UK Katie Hopkins to fly to Prague to receive a fake award. She received the C.U.N.T. award, Campaing to Unify the Nation Trophy, for her contribution to freedom of speech. She has made a name of herself being politically incorrect against muslims, feminists and obese people, this last I find specially disgusting. Her case is that she has the freedom of speech to do so. Well, maybe she has, but she forgot the other side of the coin, sometimes what you give, you can get back. Karma sometimes comes from other people, who said that it had to be something like a random incident. I think the guy went quite far to give her a lesson and she is not going to change or anything, but whatever. He has not harmed her, has given her a paid vacation, a nice meal and a little platform to spread her speech freely. What a speech, by the way. I wasn't sure about posting this in conscious politics, but I think it can be labeled as actuality or culture wars... There is the debate about the freedom of speech too, she has very recently been banned from Twitter for hate speech. But, you know, Twitter is a private company with their private rules... Does she want the government to intervine? Isn't that comunism or something like that? I leave that thought there. I gotta admit the devil in me enjoyed this, what can I say...

Well, it's a very good slogan. Bernie has been fighting for the people since the 80's, this is his last chance, but it's not about him, it's about the people he is fighting for, right now and years to come. Only the people can get him up, cause even the Democrat establishment doesn't want him. He is the best to face Trump, he just has to point out how he will provide all American citizens a doctor when they are sick in all conditions, while Trump will put money first and perhaps let you die. Republicans are worried about Bernie the most.

First try for yourself, inform about it, there's a lot in the internet. If it doesn't work, seek help and be open about it. Look in your personal life, family or friends you can trust. Professional help is worth to consider too. Don't give up, others have conquered it and you can too. You'll be stronger once you've done it, think about that.

Scientists tell psychics are not real, because they don't fit within the rules themselves have established as the only valid ones. Now, I'm not saying science is not good or anything like that, thanks science for so much. I'm just saying you shouldn't use a Chinese language book to say Spanish can't be comprehended, even worse, to say it's totally nonsense or invalid. Are some psychics fakers? I guess. Are some better than others? I think so. I've seen people guessing stuff about me, totally non scientifically. But I don't think anyone should expect to get the lotery numbers or anything like that as a prove. You can play that same game putting very high standards to science and then saying it's not valid as a whole.

@remember Really? Well, good to know.

I don't think the virus will be that deadly, common flus kill more people every year. But, just in case, where can I get one of these bubbles?

I love his enthusiasm, a few significant quotes from the begining: "I can imagine Joe Biden up there versus Trump, stammering through a half hearted insult about how Obama would have done it better before his teeth clatter onto the ground and Trump shits himself laughing." "I can imagine Warren up there, bursting into tears after Trump calls her Pocahontas." "I can imagine Buttigieg up there, folding his hands together and trying to outsmart a monkey throwing shit at him." "I can imagine Bernie Sanders telling Trump, you listen here and he goes the fuck off because he knows he can make the quips, you saw the latest Democratic primary, he's got it. He got the fucking Fox News Town Hall audience cheering about health care and taking back our country from the elites, nobody else could have done that."

You can adapt what you say depending on the person you are talking and the situation, low stages can get very defensive or offensive in a blink. If you are yellow or above, you can sense it.

I have two questions: - What did the Amazon guy bring to god? - Was that a holy burp?

That was Leo connected to the infinite, right? The infinite through Leo, so finite, so not the infinite. But everything is already infinite. Boom!! That was my infinite finite head exploding!

Ok, that was cool!! Hey god, you around?? I'm joking, but that was profound. I can understand it conceptually, somehow, but I've not been there, not that much time at least.

I was checking if it had been sent before, but this thread is so long now... This a neat green, right? I know what oranges will say, these singers were doing if for the money or the promotion. Stop right there, maybe that's just the orange lense. Were they naive? Maybe, but this was more than 30 years ago. There is still a lot of poverty in Africa, but some places have developed a lot in the last 30 years too. Did they help? They did what they thought was best, inspiring people with a beautiful song and raise money to help, I can't criticise them for that. Africa has stages to go through yet, so the USA and Europe, which are not mainly green yet, like this song is.

An inspiring man, this is very sad...

Yeah, that was a good point above. You are not just not voting, you are also suggesting in this forum and maybe in other places that voting doesn't matter and maybe influencing other people not to do it. Maybe those will say and do the same in more places and spread your message around. So does it matter or not? You tell us.