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One of these Zionist victim role-playing deceptions. I've seen some of these before, but this one is the funniest, watch it.

The communication starts with acknowledging the real facts that have happened. If you can't empathise with the suffering of others, but maybe you can comprehend that if another ethnic group came to the place you live, carpet-bombed all your neiborhoods, killing your family members, friends, and neighbors, and establish their home there, you wouldn't like it. Which is what Israel has been doing to Palestinians for decades. Maybe you could understand that if another country bombed a school in your district full of children, in the middle of negotiations, you wouldn't like it either. You would rise and oppose it like it's normal.

Iran and Palestine are regional neighbors, they share a history in Middle East area. People care when see other people being killed, are you a psycho or what? Western armies have been violent and hostile to them, so it's not hard to get they vocalize mean words towards them sometimes.

Iran has the right to take its own positions regarding Palestine or anyone else, as said, it's not hard to get that when your neighbor gets killed, that you oppose the killer. It's not even because they are Muslims, Zionists are murdering Christian Palestinians as well. Muslim and Christian Palestinians get along well with each other. It's not about being Jews either, they are just settler colonizers stealing homes and lands by murdering the locals. No place in the world accepts that without opposition. Furthermore, it's personal for Iranians too, Israel has been literally attacking them for years, not the other way around. Israel attacked them in the middle of negotiations twice, killing their leader and a elementary school full of their kids. It's not that Iranians didn't want to negotiate, they actively tried, but some interlocutors are just impossible. They are fighting back now.

Sure they are committing a genocide and stealing the land of Palestine by murdering them, including Palestinian Christians, not only Palestinian Muslims. Iran does not need recognizing this injustice, like I wouldn't recognize it if a foreign settler colonial people came into my neighbor country to basically kill them all and take their place. It's not that hard to get Iran's position.

@Raze made the point that something else being bad somewhere else, would not mean that it wasn't bad in the first place. You're the one that doesn't think that what Israel is doing it's wrong, so your point is not valid for yourself first. You're just deviating the conversation and flooding the thread with an off topic debate, because when you stick to the real current and historical facts of the Middle East territory, you need to play ifs and imagines, because the truth doesn't suit you. The truth is Israel is the main violent actor of the region, and it's not even a native culture, it's an occupying settler colony of foreigners actually perpetrating a replacement ethnic cleansing campaign against the indigenous people using violence and genocide against them.

Pretty good recount of the latest news about the war and many of its effects by Kyle Kulinsky.

I don't need to imagine anything, I just need to recognize current and historical facts in the Middle East, which have no comparison with nowhere else in the world right now. The closer historical similarities would be the ethnic cleansing campaigns in America and Oceania few centuries ago, total extermination genocides. Iran is rightfully opposing it. If an ethnic group of foreigners were ethnically cleansing a neighboring country of mine, I would oppose to that too in solidarity at the very least.

No, you don't think that.

Yeah.

You can save your ifs for your fictional novels. The whos and the whats are that Palestine wasn't an empty land, and the current Israel is built over the mass graveyards and the dispossessed lands of the native inhabitants of that place for foreign colonizers, which they continue ethnic cleansing now both in Gaza and the West Bank.

No, it's not noble, it's a genocidal colony committing a ruthless ethnic cleansing for decades. You would react against it like Palestinians do if that was done to your land and your people. Whether Iranians recognize and oppose this or not, the reality is that its still Israel and the US the ones directly attacking them over and over, they have no more cheeks to turn, and now they are fighting back.

I don't need to imagine anything, I just need to recognize the historical and current facts. Israel was created last century and has been murderously replacing the native inhabitants of that place called Palestine, ethnic cleansing. They didn't go to coexist, they went to replace them, and the last two years have been another ruthless chapter of that aim in Gaza and the West Bank. If that same thing was done in your land and your people, you would react against it like they did and do. The current relevant facts regarding to Iran is that it agreed to not have nuclear weapons signed under an agreement with Obama, it complied it to the letter, Trump got out of it and sanctioned the country as much as he could, he cowardly murdered general Soleimani out of nowhere, Israel murdered Iranian generals in an embassy in Damascus, last year Israel murdered more leaders and scientist blowing whole residential blocks in the middle of negotiations, and days ago again in the middle of negotiations both Israel and the US started a war and killing their maximum political and spiritual leader, plus hundreds of other innocent victims like the little girls in that school, continuing by carpet bombing Tehran last days, and crucial infrastructures like desalinization plants, hospitals, more schools, residences, and the oil facilities. The patience and restraint showed by Iran is beyond comprehension, obviously until now. All US bases in the region are a target now, and so is Israel as well.

Yes, 13% of what China imports is fucking a lot, it's a huge country. If Iran becomes another US puppet that's obviously bad for China and Russia. Russia, China, and Iran are allies. India was playing both sides, but it kind of made it's choice, it will discover sooner than later that the US is ally only to itself. Man, everyone of your comment is a projection of what Israel is and does into Iran. Iran has not murdered Israel leaders, attacked in the middle of negotiations, or sought the annihilation and replacement of a whole people living in a land, Israel checks all those points and more. You accuse others about accusing Israel and the US of being Satan. So what are you doing? Accusing of Iran and others of being saints? No man, you speak shit about them. You project so much of your shit into others. When we stick to the facts of the reality, not that Iranians and flawless saints, but it's not them who started this war, bombed a school full of children when the war was not yet declared, and targeted survival infrastructures, it's your holly Western love spreader US and Israel. Israel is the one that has nuclear warheads. Iran has always refused to have them. This behavior of the US is a danger for the whole world, they are practically sending the message to every country that you should in fact have nukes to be secure from them. So back to China, it has no problem in being an ally to Iran. They know that the rabid dog in the region is US backed Israel. The Strait of Hormuz is open for China, so this crisis won't hit them as hard.

It's true that China wants stability, not a prolonged conflict. But Iran is not a minor ally, China is not energy-independent, and Iran is one of its biggest suppliers. The Strait of Hormuz is open for Iran's allies, China, Russia, and Pakistan, so they're fine for now. It's other countries that are in bigger trouble now. We have India's short-sighted president who just went to Israel when everyone was seeing all this was about to explode, what a moron. Now that the worldwide oil crisis is hitting the whole world, the US won't supply them, so now they need to beg Russia, but this time they need to go through the small door.

None of this is good. But Iran didn't start it, it's just retaliating for the attacks it has received. It's still a minuscule fraction of the harm Gazans have suffered for the last two and a half years. When you hit first, and you are hit back, you don't get to complain. Take care and stay safe! @Nivsch

Tel Aviv was hit pretty hard last night with a cluster bomb attack. I saw some very impressive images on Instagram, I think they are removing them, same policy as in the 12-day war of not allowing images of the attacks and their effects out. Some parts looked like Gaza. Hezbollah is participating, they abandoned the ceasefire as Israel did from the very beginning. Israel is bombing Beirut pretty harshly too.

That they hold free elections is not a take, is a fact. Pezenshky was the moderate candidate that won last time. The only source that has provided names is 3000, and includes the not identified ones about 100. The others, US based or UN could be from anywhere, have not provided names or any evidence, neither the ones that are listed as verified. Provide the names or evidence and they'll be included. And they go from 6.000 to 40.000, bullshit. Again, the same sources that deny the high numbers of a Gaza turned into rubble for months. Western propaganda war as usual.

What were legit peaceful protests, turned into violent riots, murdering unarmed officers and civilians, burning institutions, and intentionally producing chaos to destabilize the government. That was backed by the Mosad, they admitted it themselves, and sure the CIA too. Any government should react to something like this, the US included. CIA destabilization playbook 101. The total death toll I think it was about 3000, which is a lot, but this includes officers and the civilians that the violent rioters killed. We gotta believe the ones that denied high victim numbers in a Gaza bombarded into rubble for months, they say 40.000 were killed in Iran without evidence? Bullshit, usual Western propaganda, gone beyond. People manifested in favor of the government after these events by hundreds of thousands, against the violent protestors, and of course they are manifesting in favor of the assassinated Ayatollah right now in hundreds of thousands again, although the propaganda media won't show it. They'll show ridiculous Sah defenders of America.

It should be, even a lot of MAGAs oppose this nonsensical war, one or their talking points was that Trump was pro-peace, which a lot of us knew it was bullshit, but now it's all in the air. Going to war without the approval of congress is a major offense, impeachable 100%, and not for a sexual scandal like himself last time, or Clinton in the 90s, quite a more serious matter. Some still defend him though. I'm not entirely sure this fascist won't try to withhold the midterms some way. He's the name that most appeared in the Epstein files, his friend for years, and admitted to a journalist that his age limit was 13. We know he's the main person they redacted. The war is number one in current affairs, but nobody will forget the Epstein files, no way.

Iran can make its own commercial and political decisions, Israel and the US don't have any right to attack them. But they did, now Iran has the right to defend itself. For too long it has put the other cheek. Iran has a constitution and holds presidential elections every four years, the last one was held in 2024, which Pezeshkian won. They were held after the previous one, Raisi, died in the helicopter accident. The new one is quite more moderate and open to the West, but with the interlocutors they have, no agreement is possible. The Ayatollah is a different entity, but like many European still have non democratically elected monarchs or religious influential figures. One of the things he opposed all his life was precisely Iran having nuclear weapons, one of the lies consistently shoved by the Western propagandists to go on with this illegal aggression war. The next ones may make different interpretations for having them. On the other hand, the Emirates, and others in the area are in fact obscene family dictatorships, that don't hold presidential elections, despised by their people, and backed by the West. Iran blowing the US military bases up there is good news, at least.

Israel and the US are always the ones attacking them or their leaders first, it's not the other way around like you paint it. I'm talking just about last years, like Soleimani, attacks on embassies, and the last two wars. On the reverse, there is nothing. If we go back to the last century, Iran had a democratically elected leader that the US deposed to put their puppet Sha, but Iranians fought back, and got their own thing. Not saying that they are perfect, but for example, the current elected president, compared to the last one that died in the helicopter accident, has made some social progress that we in the West value, like a less restictions to women in clothing. But those things are just false pretexts from the West, the CIA and Israel have no problem collaborating with the Muyaidins or the most regressive ISIS or al-Qaeda guys, whom they train. The only country that ISIS has never attacked in the region is Israel, that's not a coincidence. The petro emirate states are also way more regressive with women than Iran. There were legit protests in Iran last December, because of the economic strangulation of Western sancions make effect in the population, even the ayatollah acknowledged it. Then they turned into violent riots that no country would allow either. However, Iran was overcoming the sanctions more or less, and the West can't allow that. This is what we have, an illegitimate attempt at regime change war of aggression, to put a puppet in an oil-rich area. But they will have to fight it harder this time.

It's like they believed their own propaganda lies about Iranian people wanting regime change, so after removing the Ayatollah, that would be it. They didn't get him last June, but Iran retaliated quite harshly, surpassing the Iron Dome, then agreed to end it on day 12 so as not to have the US totally involved. Remember also that in that instance, Israel attacked in the middle of negotiations, taking Iran by surprise. This time, it was also in the middle of negotiations, but Iran was as ready as they could be, knowing that you grant the first hit to the enemy. The Ayatollah wasn't hiding, it could be that at his old age, he was at peace with whatever happened to him. In any case, Iranians and other countries' Shia Muslims are not happy with what has happened, adding to that the attack on the elementary school killing all the little girls and their teachers who were inside. People in Iran are not celebrating his death, they are mourning it. On the other hand, many images recorded by people of Bahrain and others can be heard celebrating the attacks on US bases that protect the tyrants who obscenely rule in those petrostates that they hate. I don't know what's going to happen, but Iranians are responding even more harshly than last time, their missiles are going throught the interceptors. We don't know for how long they are going to be able to do it, but it could be longer than what their agressors can endure. Maybe Trump thought, let's kill the Ayatollah, other leaders, and cause as much harm as possible in a few hours, then agree a ceasefire, and I'll celebrate my victory in the White House. Iranian's said, not this time, this time we'll attack you back to make sure you don't do it again, and we will end on this our terms, not yours. The consideration of putting boots on the ground may be on the table, but they'll probably try to use the Kurds as a proxy once again. The problem is they just betrayed the Kurds of Syria just a few months ago, so the Iraqi years ago, I doubt they will fall for it again, besides they can't win. If they bring US troops there to die for Israel, the people in the US, including his base, will hardly oppose, because they know Iran has never intended to harm them in US territory in the past, they don't intend to do it now, nor in the future. They also understand that their military bases in the region were attacked because they attacked Iran first. The understanding of first blood is as old as humanity itself.

The Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei was indeed killed. The count of little girls killed in the elementary school of Tehran is over 140, and many more victims in different places. It's huge damage, I don't see Iran's response being anything but big in return, but we'll see. Now Israel has the US Navy and aviation army's help. Iran probably regrets stopping the 12-day war last year, it's gonna have to endure bigger dogs now, but I think it will bite back too. I want to particularly congratulate the US American people who voted and elected this pro-peace pedophile corrupt clown for the White House for the second time. You really have good instincts.

I see, all US allies in the area are in this shit together, they are providing strategic positioning for the attacks at the very least. I don't think Russia and China will get directly involved, that could be a start for WW3. They are assisting Iran technologically from what I've heard from different analysts. The Ayatollah may be dead, and they may not announce it soon if that's the case, but they had probably arranged a long line of succession anticipating the war that was coming, so I don't think this will stop the developments.