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It's an ongoing genocide and ethnic cleansing for the Zionists to take Gaza for themselves. The video I provided a link for shows the Israeli sentiment, aligned with the actions that we have seen in Gaza.

Those chants are not fine, but it's much worse to ask for the explicit genocide of the Palestinians and actually enforcing it, which is common ground in Israeli society, politics, and media. They didn't leave a single construction on foot in Gaza, and some bulldozer drivers explained how traumatized they were by going over the dead bodies with them. There are images of mass graves, journalists and medics specifically targeted, children shot to death, incubators with babies turned off, bombs over tents with people in, people lined up asking for food shot to death... America is a necessary ally providing money and weapons, without this, it wouldn't have happened. This is Biden's fault too. We don't know the real death toll, it can only be known by conducting a new census and comparing it to the 2023 census. https://v.redd.it/6vc2661kieog1 I saw a compilation of Israelis asking for genocide. It's on Reddit, I didn't see it on YouTube, but here's the link above. No need to call Satan anybody, just acknowledge this is being said, and unfortunately, enforced.

You're using loaded questions. Iranians are not hateful to any greater degree than any other people that don't approve of genocidal actions, which are the hateful ones, not only by word, but by action. You are saying some are superior and that others are inferior with a lower IQ. Man, that's Nazi shit. If you say stuff like that, I'll call you a Nazi, because that's what it is.

Here is a little look at the Western mainstream media feeding their script to the public opinion, trying to justify this illegal war of aggression and trying to undermine the economic effects that they are going to suffer because of it. There will be no gain from this for the common people, nor short-term, nor long-term. This is a net loss.

Man, we see what you are doing, constantly asking this loaded question, we were not born yesterday. You just want to put the idea that the Iranians are the hateful ones, no matter what the answer is. It's like asking why someone hates the KKK or the Nazis, trying to point them out as the hateful ones. You are not fooling anybody. You're also using IQ and superiority rhetoric, you are basically a modern Nazi.

Some more commentary and context by Kyle Kulinsky.

Iran can see the reality of the horrendous things this colonial entity has done to the Palestinians for decades, who are their regional neighbors, and make the decisions they consider right based on that. They can also acknowledge the horrible attacks that they have been suffering from Israel directly, killing many of their leaders, scientists, children, and destroying their infrastructures, so it's personal for them. Israel is a rabid dog in the region, they don't even respect negotiations, they use them to attack. Iran didn't start this war, Israel and the US did. Even worse using fake negotiations to catch them by surprise. It's not a war Iran has chosen to have, but has been imposed upon them, and they are fighting it.

What you call emotional stuff are facts that have happened in reality, so I'll address them. Yeah, children being killed is sad, they shouldn't have done it. They are actual victims, it's not an act. The US and Israel started this war, Iran didn't start it, they negotiated to the very end even if there were recent precedents from their interlocutors that they use these negotiations to attack them by surprise. The US could have said to Israel that they weren't going to engage in this war and turn their warships back to the US, as hitting such an energy rich area for the whole world could be something that went out of control. They treat wars like they are windows that you can open and close as pleased, but I'm not so sure they are going to be able to close them as fast this time. If Iran has capabilities, it's likely going to continue to use them this time, otherwise they go back to the same square they went after the 12 day war, and they can expect their adversaries are going to hit them again whenever they want.

One of these Zionist victim role-playing deceptions. I've seen some of these before, but this one is the funniest, watch it.

The communication starts with acknowledging the real facts that have happened. If you can't empathise with the suffering of others, but maybe you can comprehend that if another ethnic group came to the place you live, carpet-bombed all your neiborhoods, killing your family members, friends, and neighbors, and establish their home there, you wouldn't like it. Which is what Israel has been doing to Palestinians for decades. Maybe you could understand that if another country bombed a school in your district full of children, in the middle of negotiations, you wouldn't like it either. You would rise and oppose it like it's normal.

Iran and Palestine are regional neighbors, they share a history in Middle East area. People care when see other people being killed, are you a psycho or what? Western armies have been violent and hostile to them, so it's not hard to get they vocalize mean words towards them sometimes.

Iran has the right to take its own positions regarding Palestine or anyone else, as said, it's not hard to get that when your neighbor gets killed, that you oppose the killer. It's not even because they are Muslims, Zionists are murdering Christian Palestinians as well. Muslim and Christian Palestinians get along well with each other. It's not about being Jews either, they are just settler colonizers stealing homes and lands by murdering the locals. No place in the world accepts that without opposition. Furthermore, it's personal for Iranians too, Israel has been literally attacking them for years, not the other way around. Israel attacked them in the middle of negotiations twice, killing their leader and a elementary school full of their kids. It's not that Iranians didn't want to negotiate, they actively tried, but some interlocutors are just impossible. They are fighting back now.

Sure they are committing a genocide and stealing the land of Palestine by murdering them, including Palestinian Christians, not only Palestinian Muslims. Iran does not need recognizing this injustice, like I wouldn't recognize it if a foreign settler colonial people came into my neighbor country to basically kill them all and take their place. It's not that hard to get Iran's position.

@Raze made the point that something else being bad somewhere else, would not mean that it wasn't bad in the first place. You're the one that doesn't think that what Israel is doing it's wrong, so your point is not valid for yourself first. You're just deviating the conversation and flooding the thread with an off topic debate, because when you stick to the real current and historical facts of the Middle East territory, you need to play ifs and imagines, because the truth doesn't suit you. The truth is Israel is the main violent actor of the region, and it's not even a native culture, it's an occupying settler colony of foreigners actually perpetrating a replacement ethnic cleansing campaign against the indigenous people using violence and genocide against them.

Pretty good recount of the latest news about the war and many of its effects by Kyle Kulinsky.

I don't need to imagine anything, I just need to recognize current and historical facts in the Middle East, which have no comparison with nowhere else in the world right now. The closer historical similarities would be the ethnic cleansing campaigns in America and Oceania few centuries ago, total extermination genocides. Iran is rightfully opposing it. If an ethnic group of foreigners were ethnically cleansing a neighboring country of mine, I would oppose to that too in solidarity at the very least.

No, you don't think that.

Yeah.

You can save your ifs for your fictional novels. The whos and the whats are that Palestine wasn't an empty land, and the current Israel is built over the mass graveyards and the dispossessed lands of the native inhabitants of that place for foreign colonizers, which they continue ethnic cleansing now both in Gaza and the West Bank.

No, it's not noble, it's a genocidal colony committing a ruthless ethnic cleansing for decades. You would react against it like Palestinians do if that was done to your land and your people. Whether Iranians recognize and oppose this or not, the reality is that its still Israel and the US the ones directly attacking them over and over, they have no more cheeks to turn, and now they are fighting back.

I don't need to imagine anything, I just need to recognize the historical and current facts. Israel was created last century and has been murderously replacing the native inhabitants of that place called Palestine, ethnic cleansing. They didn't go to coexist, they went to replace them, and the last two years have been another ruthless chapter of that aim in Gaza and the West Bank. If that same thing was done in your land and your people, you would react against it like they did and do. The current relevant facts regarding to Iran is that it agreed to not have nuclear weapons signed under an agreement with Obama, it complied it to the letter, Trump got out of it and sanctioned the country as much as he could, he cowardly murdered general Soleimani out of nowhere, Israel murdered Iranian generals in an embassy in Damascus, last year Israel murdered more leaders and scientist blowing whole residential blocks in the middle of negotiations, and days ago again in the middle of negotiations both Israel and the US started a war and killing their maximum political and spiritual leader, plus hundreds of other innocent victims like the little girls in that school, continuing by carpet bombing Tehran last days, and crucial infrastructures like desalinization plants, hospitals, more schools, residences, and the oil facilities. The patience and restraint showed by Iran is beyond comprehension, obviously until now. All US bases in the region are a target now, and so is Israel as well.

Yes, 13% of what China imports is fucking a lot, it's a huge country. If Iran becomes another US puppet that's obviously bad for China and Russia. Russia, China, and Iran are allies. India was playing both sides, but it kind of made it's choice, it will discover sooner than later that the US is ally only to itself. Man, everyone of your comment is a projection of what Israel is and does into Iran. Iran has not murdered Israel leaders, attacked in the middle of negotiations, or sought the annihilation and replacement of a whole people living in a land, Israel checks all those points and more. You accuse others about accusing Israel and the US of being Satan. So what are you doing? Accusing of Iran and others of being saints? No man, you speak shit about them. You project so much of your shit into others. When we stick to the facts of the reality, not that Iranians and flawless saints, but it's not them who started this war, bombed a school full of children when the war was not yet declared, and targeted survival infrastructures, it's your holly Western love spreader US and Israel. Israel is the one that has nuclear warheads. Iran has always refused to have them. This behavior of the US is a danger for the whole world, they are practically sending the message to every country that you should in fact have nukes to be secure from them. So back to China, it has no problem in being an ally to Iran. They know that the rabid dog in the region is US backed Israel. The Strait of Hormuz is open for China, so this crisis won't hit them as hard.

It's true that China wants stability, not a prolonged conflict. But Iran is not a minor ally, China is not energy-independent, and Iran is one of its biggest suppliers. The Strait of Hormuz is open for Iran's allies, China, Russia, and Pakistan, so they're fine for now. It's other countries that are in bigger trouble now. We have India's short-sighted president who just went to Israel when everyone was seeing all this was about to explode, what a moron. Now that the worldwide oil crisis is hitting the whole world, the US won't supply them, so now they need to beg Russia, but this time they need to go through the small door.

None of this is good. But Iran didn't start it, it's just retaliating for the attacks it has received. It's still a minuscule fraction of the harm Gazans have suffered for the last two and a half years. When you hit first, and you are hit back, you don't get to complain. Take care and stay safe! @Nivsch

Tel Aviv was hit pretty hard last night with a cluster bomb attack. I saw some very impressive images on Instagram, I think they are removing them, same policy as in the 12-day war of not allowing images of the attacks and their effects out. Some parts looked like Gaza. Hezbollah is participating, they abandoned the ceasefire as Israel did from the very beginning. Israel is bombing Beirut pretty harshly too.