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@Wilhelm44Glad you asked. One healthy way I found to deal with the term Neurodivergence (ND) is by imagining each of the types of ND (ADHD, autism, HSP, gifted, etc) is to imagine each neurodivergency as a basket full of different symptoms (there are overlaps). I see the binary diagnosis framework as "if you have a significant amount of symptoms from one type of ND, you are diagnosed with that ND". In my opinion, the danger of this framework is, let's say you only have a single one symptom of a single one kind of ND let's say you have executive dysfunction (ED) which is a symptom of ADHD. You will not be diagnosed with that ADHD. Now if you don't have ADHD does this now mean that you don't actually have ED???? No. If you see the symptoms of ED in your life, you have it, regardless whether you qualify for an ADHD diagnosis. The important thing to understand is that even if you only have ED, this will have a significant impact on your life, and you will identify with the ND community to some extend. And my claim again, is that a significant amount of people here have a significant amount of symptoms even if they might not have (though many do qualify actually imo) enough from one basket to qualify for the diagnosis. So if you don't like labels, I encourage you to not use them on yourself, but instead learn about each basket and see which of the symptoms apply to you. Even if you don't qualify for any one diagnosis

I acknowledge that my understanding of neurodivergence is incomplete, does not have a rock solid scientific foundation and is more based on my own pattern recognition, applying these concept s to myself and others. However, I am more confident than ever that ND points to some very deep truth about how people arrive at this community and what our common struggles are (like pickup, life purpose, narcissism, spiritual bypassing, escapism for example) and how to solve them more sustainably. It is kinda funny to me that there seems to be two camps of skeptics: I want more precise definitions Definitions are bullshit My thinking is also often torn between those two modes, since I am at the same time a very open person but I also like clarity and rigorousness. I also think that this tendency is not unique to me in this community. I think that a vanilla 100% autistic person would never discover actualized bc Leo is too erratic for them. They choose their special interests around predictability and order. Also someone who is 100% open (only HSP only Psychotic, only schizophrenic?) would not bother to follow the thought train in a 3 hour video. My claim is that we are all autistic, HSP (or whatever) hybrid (both) passion oriented people (executive dysfunction), and we are also all gifted. The way I try to synthesize these opposing forces is with ambivalence, alternating consistency and inconsistency, fragmentation (see Schlegel), humor, contradiction, etc. Reality is paradox, reality is a-rational, reality is a stange-loop, reality does not care about the law of contradiction, reality allows for superpositions remember?

Oh shit thank you for this, this is really relevant for me since my mom suffers from schizophrenia😅

I don't want to slap any label on you. But I would suggest you look into "Highly sensitive person" (HSP). In my mind, a HSP is a "variation" of autism that might include insensitivity to social norms but in contrast to autistic people HSPs are extremely sensitive to their own emotions and those of others. In my mind an "empath" is also just a variation or subset or another word for HSP. An example for a symptom is that it is unbearable if someone is openly angry towards you for any reason. I think there is a very good chance that if you were to read a book about hsp, it would feel to you like reading your own biography, bc this was what it was like to me. HSPs aren't that rare actually I think it's like 15% of the population (also the population of other mammals interestingly)

This is honestly hilarious. It's really helpful that you cleared that up. It did absolutely take that literally. This is so ironic. I always believed the not understanding sarcasm thing does not apply to me lol. I'm being gaslit into believing I'm autistic from the people I try to gaslight into believing they're autistic Thanks for specifying. I will try to post more rarely, such that my posts about one specific subject don't dominate any one of the sub-forums. Is that okay?

I feel like I'm getting mixed signals about my posting behavior from this forum. Naturally, I don't want to change my plan. It seems, @Carl-Richard believes I'm just some new guy who is overly enthusiastic about the topic and neither has enough arguments to support the claims, nor has enough of a philosophical basis to understand the nature of concepts, categories etc. It might be true that I'm overly enthusiastic, but I do know what I'm talking about and I want to hold my basis. Also I want to have freedom over my approach, my brain works very impulsively (I think this might be noticeable).

Believe it or not I agree 100% with these statements. I am just as much of a detail loving person as the next person here. But I also understand that it's not possible to catch anyone's attention with long technical pamphlets. My plan was to post more level-headedly, precisely about how I think about neurodiversity and how I apply it into my life after this post.

Yes. If you accept that you are part of ND and are willing to learn about it and make it influence your life choices, then this post is not targeted at you. I encourage you to completely study the breadth and depth of all the genetic variations far far beyond NT vs ND and then totally deconstruct everything and come up with a new perspective. Constructing and deconstructing act like yin and yang. Opposites are at the same time interdependent and in conflict with another in Hegelian terms. (Did I learn this yesterday? Yes. Do I know what I'm saying? Perhaps) I don't think we disagree as much as you might think

Thanks for the encouragement! I was actually wondering if what I do falls under excessive posting lol. As you can see by my posts count, I'm only active since quite recently

I agree with everything you said, except this one. I don't think this happens like at all in practice. This is like claiming that trans women have transitioned to crush girls in sports or harass women in woman's bathrooms. People don't just claim these kinds of labels on a whim. Quite the opposite, they are afraid of them and reject them (initially). You seem to be pretty deep in your journey. You might be deeper in than me and also have more severe ND than me. I don't have much to teach you. But I want to defend my use of rhetoric by offering a thought experiment. Imagine you would wake up tomorrow and have forgotten everything you ever learned about ND. How would that impact your life? You must be aware that a lot of people here are at that exact point. These are the people I'm speaking to.

Correct. Also sorry that it is not written in inclusive language. Of course this also applies to dickless dickless people

@Raze You're not going far enough. American oligarchs rule the world. The only countries that defy American imperialism are Russia, Iran, North Korea, China, Cuba ect. Well, what a coincidence that you hate all these countries! Surely they must be inherently evil. But it is a strange coincidence, is it not?

I think this is totally fair. Chill, my guy. I think all of their reactions are completely justified. Have you never been offended at people diagnosing you with ND before you knew you were autistic? I remember always being very offended when somebody asked whether I have ADHD. I also remember arguing with people who thought I was autistic. I myself also got hit with the "I've never seen a non-autistic person say this" in the past lol (context: I said "if I'm annoying, you can throw me out any time". The guy is autistic himself and has an autistic friend group) The fact that they were right and we are right now does not change the fact that the language we are using is intrusive. You need to keep that in mind. The best we can do is put it on their radar and then it's on them to start connecting the dots. This takes a very long time necessarily. Healthy awakening takes time.

This deserves a seperate thread

@NewKidOnTheBlock Thanks a lot for the replies and for adding nuance! Also, I really appreciate your open mind. Meeting such radical ideas with skepticism is only healthy. My goal is not that you blindly accept everything I say. My goal is that you become more skeptical, actually. I want you to be skeptical of the fact that you are more skeptical of communism than of the status quo (and well implemented social democracy). Here is my new post:

I feel like some of y'all might have taken this sentence too literally (taking things very literally and not being able to pick up on rhetoric devices such as hyperbole, sarcasm etc. is again an autistic trait (because of course it is lol)). This is hyperbole. Of course, Actualized.org is helpful. But it does not reach the root of your material Problems, which again is ND. It is also a rhetorical reference to this post:

On the nose. Thank you for that ahaahhaaksdkaahks

The Marxist-Leninist revolution is extremely deeply studied and makes perfect sense. The thing about ND is my idea and was meant as a fun thought to get people warmed up on real revolutionary theory. I do believe that there is a lot of truth in this idea. The claim that autistic people are uncorruptible lacks a lot of nuance I agree. Ben Shapiro for example seems to me to be autistic for example, but he also seems corrupt. Idk.

This is correct. I use the word ND here in a more narrow way. Autistic people, gifted people, highly sensitive people mainly.

These are really good instructions on how to make capitalism win and keep you oppressed. Also, there is a nice bonus that there is the chance that a fascist state is erected and you land in a concentration camp. Finally, a perfect environment to do spiritual bypassing!

First, you have an incomplete understanding of what autism is. My claim is that a significant portion of people here are autistic, including Leo. Do they seem to you to hit themselves in the head uncontrollably? Also, I want you to read this sentence again:

Sorry that I'm bashing you so much in particular my guy but did I get that right that you just complained about woke people and political correctness? Dude I hate to have to break it to you but you are majorely shooting yourself in the foot here. Woke people are the only people who accept you for who you are lmao.

Lol this is literally the funniest thing you could have said. I'm not even sure if you're trolling. Let me be very clear: This thing that you said is absolutely 100% solid proof that you're autistic and don't understand how neurotypical people function. It is the definition of autism. Non autostic people do all the steps of socializing completely automatic without even thinking a single thought in the process. That's what it means to not be autistic.

I believe Leo is not talking nearly enough about neurodivergence (ND) in his blog and in his videos. It is a big source of bias of this community. ND people naturally struggle with conformity. Autistic people value absolute truth over social truth. Also, they don’t like crowded places, so they prefer to spend time and socialize on the internet, for example on forums. People with ADHD and ED (executive dysfunction) value passion over regular jobs, since regular jobs are physically painful to them, which influences their definition of life purpose. Highly sensitive people value spirituality, since they are able to find pleasure in subtle sensations. Only gifted people have the brain power to think about philosophy all day. ND is a fundamental difference in the wiring of the brain which is genetic and irreversible. People who are ND fundamentally see the world differently than neurotypical people. I don’t want to downplay Leo’s work, but to point out the limits of his universalist rhetoric. It is important to know that it is impossible to pull regular people (the masses, in Marxist talk) up to our level, and we need to instead focus on leading them. Be aware of skewed stereotypes and edge cases about ND. Don’t say, “I’m not a nerd who can’t talk or feed themselves and has meltdowns, therefore I’m not autistic,” or “I can sit still, therefore I don’t have ADHD and therefore I don’t have executive dysfunction,” since all of ND is on a spectrum, and even if you don’t qualify for any diagnosis, your life can still be greatly impacted by being ND. My experience with ND people tells me that there is about a 99% chance that the person reading this is ND. I’ve never met a neurotypical person who is active on forums, especially a theoretical one like this. Most people have a bias toward wanting to believe that they are normal. This can be extremely dangerous for your life, in the same way that a person who is denying their drug addiction is much more likely to face disastrous outcomes than someone who is aware and seeks help. Don’t fall into the trap of being skeptical about being ND. Be skeptical about your skepticism. If it looks like a banana, smells like a banana, feels like a banana, and tastes like a banana, it is a banana.

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