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I read this in Anthony Hopkins voice

Doesn't your argument get conflated by the fact that since Israel is more economically developed? It's easier too seem moral and "not use nukes" if you have the upper hand by 10x. Israel can seem moral by not nuking, because they don't need to. It's better for them to cause a slow death for Palestine. Moderate Israelis outsource their savagery to the extreme Israelis. If all extreme Israelis dropped dead, moderate Israelis took their place. Isn't it also a blatant fact that the entire country of Israel is an illegal colonialist state? Why else do the liberals always say "Jews deserve a homeland", because if they don't spout that platitude, they know the settling of Israel would be seen as completely illegal by everyone. it's akin to the Spaniards taking America from the natives. Are we really gonna act like these factors don't count when factoring the level of savagery and moral development? I'm not saying Hamas is not savage obviously. they clearly are

I never insinuated I was anywhere on his level. I just meant that it's possible to arrive at solipsism through sober contemplation without being a genetic freak, which you seemed to imply was needed.

1. Are you actually claiming the "muhh natural DMT release from the pineal gland" for Ralston? that he is literally high on DMT all the time? 2. It's not genetic freakery, since I have realised it from one spiritual experience (chemically induced), and many sober contemplations after. Like you said in the "original proofs of God" video , it's nothing special, but just sitting down and going through the logic of existence. I'm an egoic guy and unwise and immature most of the time. I'm not like ralston at all. yet I've still realised it.

if any form of human consensus holds any weight to you, I pity you. It's not about Leo's position, but about realizing the inherent unreality of anything beyond appearance and consciousness. Solipsism is just the inevitable conclusion of that.

Because checking if Christianity would be true would require looking beyond the phenomena - which is impossible and requires imagining things beyond appearance. Like I said, Solipsism is the only thing which you can totally check from the inside. all other worldviews require an external truth. The question is more, "can there be anything outside of my consciousness" ? If no, solipsism is proven by default. I'm claiming it isn't possible because what it means to "be" is that it exists within consciousness. I can never prove it to you this way because you can keep doubting whether things can exist outside of consciousness. And thats the dead end. But why continue to assume projections can come from outside , and not inside? Ibn Arabi is saying the projections are coming from inside, the core of your being; God. The projections are not coming from outside. There is no outside, there is only an infinite inside. This is all you witness so why imagine this outside which you have zero proof of? You're playing semantic games to fool yourself.

You expect me to take seriously ChatGPTs conclusion when it comes to these manners? UNITY = SOLIPSISM and it can not be any other way. The funny thing about Islam and Sufism is that it explicitly states that God is completely alone. All "mystical traditions" never get explicit about the truth, even when they might realize it themself. You really expect some medieval guru to tell you about solipsism the way Leo does? The moment you realize solipsism, your human life ends. So it was never the case that any one human is real while others are not. stop conflating the human with Al-Haqq , all humanity is just a projection of God. there are no philosophical zombies because everything is CONSCIOUSNESS. I'm starting to sound like Leo, and I'm not claiming to have Awakened like him or whatever, all that shit doesn't really matter, its just that other minds are so obviously an illusion at this point, and most people just deny it out of cope, and I get that, I've done it for years. Believing in other minds is just another form of materialism but now with cool new-age or religious flavours to it. In the end there's either materialism or solipsism, the matrix or the real.

Which is exactly why Christianity cannot be true. Absolute infinity makes it so that no other infinity can actually exist, only as an illusion. Just like you will never count up the number line till infinity, the infinity of Christianity can never exist, since its existence would destroy the original absolute Infinity. Any underlying "grand narrative" cannot ever exist as the fundament of reality, precisely because it is external to reality, like a wizard of Oz. Solipsism is the only "grand narrative" that stays entirely internal to reality.

"All selves are rays of God, not projections of one person’s dream." "All selves are rays of God, projections of Gods dream."

Yes, it's somehow soothing to know all your suffering will only be yours. It's weird really, why it would be soothing. Can't quite put my finger on it. The surrendering to the inevitability of it I guess. Thanks for always having being blunt about this topic, Leo. I thought it was the worst thing ever but now see that it is the highest good. Somehow maturity came to me (in this line of development) when I thought I would never be able to grok it. Suffering as a human also helped in seeing solipsism as potentially good. When you're having a party, it's a buzzkill to find out you were just partying with yourself. When you're suffering massively, the beauty of it is revealed.

@Leo Gura I'm confused as to why you do not judge Israel's actions as terrorism. I'm no expert in the field, but when I look at the definition of terrorism on wikipedia: "Terrorism, in its broadest sense, is the use of violence against non-combatants to achieve political or ideological aims." Do you honestly believe Israel is not purposefully bombing civilians to scare them and make a political point that they are the ones in charge? The most radical branch of Israel's government like Ben Gvir also have a religious reason behind their bombings, for them it's a straight up holy war to take out the evil arabs who are goyim and not like them, similar to ISIS etc. How is this not terrorism?

the solipsism is actually a result of not making any further inferences beyond the qualia.

@Leo Gura A few years back you made the argument for solipsism from a moral point of view. I believe it went something like this: "God is so selfless it doesn't create any other, but bears all the torrents of consciousness itself" I thought that was a beautiful explanation and looking back it really hit a snare in me. Consciousness going through whatever, only for the sake of loving itself and being itself. Reminds me of Jesus on the cross.

Against that I would say, that qualia are in fact impossible to not be absolute, since they are thing which is directly represented to you as it is, by definition of it being qualia. This means all appearance and qualia are absolute. We could still postulate the existence of noumena behind these qualia; but now the burden of proof would rest on you. And my claim is that since it's entirely impossible to ever access or prove these noumena, all they are is a concept and an unreality.

what if you forgot all concepts and ideas and were just conscious of what is here right now. would you not see everything as absolute truth? why would you assume it's relative, when there is no "stuff behind the scenes" (since we forgot all concepts and ideas) to relate it with?

Thanks.

No, in this case not, you're all just coping. If humans and any individuals are not real to begin with, why would solipsism have to be unreal? It's simply the best way reality can be. I've cracked my mind around it for 5 years and there's simply no other answer than : Solipsism is real because reality being any other way would be evil. I've coped and cried but in the end you'll get over it. It's not like I'm living my life like it's real though. I'm still immature af as a human in many regards.

Not only do they defend their own dreams, others not realizing solipsism also facilitated your own awakening. You could have never awakened if you didn't live in and were nurtured by a society upheld by the denial of solipsism. I'm missing this humbleness from your tone. You still somehow think you did this all by yourself -

True, but people make the mistake that solipsism would mean that "their" human is now more real under solipsism than other humans, when humanity and any form of "being a separate creature" is a complete illusion to begin with. They think solipsism defies love, when it is in fact it. That being said, the realization of solipsism is in fact the end of all illusion and thus any form of worldly existence, let alone civilization (if all "humans" would start to realize it) You know what the dislike of solipsism reminds me of? Asking dream characters in a lucid dream what the time is. They start to go crazy, get angry or afraid, like they've been found out, and that the full realization would end their existence.

The beauty of solipsism is that there is no matrix of "other pov" existing to begin with. this would be a chaotic, schizophrenic reality, forever divided from itself. And the beauty of solipsism is that other humans are not any less human than you. This is the genius of God's design; other humans are not less real than you. "your" human is just as imaginary as other humans. How else could it be? The notion to even begin with that a "human is conscious" or "humans have sentience" is where the problems start off. The entire idea of sentience has to be reevaluated. -------------------------------------- Imagine Hitler dying and waking up as God. If he truly did those things to "others", how could God ever forgive himself? People suffered, it's etched in history. Since God is existence, God could never forgive himself except if it was all a dream, which is thankfully what it is. (Sorry for the radical example, I don't mean to offend anyone by it, but this is what I mean with solipsism being the highest good, it is the ultimate salvation of evil)

Why are you you and not me?

Because the entire notion of "two" existing in the first place is impossible. There is only one thing; The totality of all things.

I struggled a lot with solipsism for years since basically having a spiritual experience of it at 20 years old. The days after it, I remember laying on the couch, trembling with fear inside, while my parents left to do groceries, and at that moment I was basically aware that the moment they left my field of experience and I heard the door shut, they didn't exist anymore. It was horrendous and I cried. I didn't help that Leo was starting to explicitly affirm solipsism on the forum at that time. It also didn't help that my mental and physical health worsened the years after and I was contemplating suicide. I tried everything to shed the idea, mostly with trying to delude myself with religious beliefs. But of course nothing helped because nothing can veil the truth once you've seen it. In the end, after much contemplation of all different ways reality could be, if not solipsism; I realized one thing. Reality would be evil if solipsism is not true. And imagining others is the highest love you could have for them. You love them so much that you simply make them up out of thin air. Solipsism is the highest Good. And to be honest, most of this thread is just cope. I know every trick there is to hide solipsism from yourself. In the end solipsism can't be explained away by any theories because Consciousness doesn't abide by any theories. Solipsism and Consciousness don't abide by any theories or stories. It's simply what is here now. All other minds are imagined by what is here right now.

Europe's toxic, chaotic mix of worldviews, including an unstable concoction of premodern, modern and postmodern, collapsed any sense of shared culture and identity. Liberalism is falling, with only the most educated, privileged and decadent staying on it's pure form. Young people are either hard leftist, hard rightist, or have an incoherent, apathic form of late-stage liberalism infect with major amounts of conspiracy thinking. We deserve to fall.