Mellowmarsh

It’s that beautiful, it’s terrifying.

Nice. In essence, we fear the loss of our current, tangible self, not the state of being before that self was formed. And yet a self can apparently appear out of that state of being before that self was formed? From formless to form to formless ? We fear what is ultimately not actually there in reality? And don’t see the what is always there, here?

Had to revisit this thread because it’s too good. I just wanted to share this little beauty I found on the inner net. ‘I am’ is a conceiving; ‘I am this’ is a conceiving; ‘I shall be’ is a conceiving; ‘I shall not be’ is a conceiving; ‘I shall be possessed of form’ is a conceiving; ‘I shall be formless’ is a conceiving; ‘I shall be percipient’ is a conceiving; ‘I shall be non-percipient’ is a conceiving; ‘I shall be neither-percipient-nor-non-percipient’ is a conceiving. Conceiving is a disease, conceiving is a tumour, conceiving is a dart. By overcoming all conceivings, one is called a sage at peace. And the sage at peace is not born, does not age, does not die; he is not shaken and is not agitated. For there is nothing present in him by which he might be born. Not being born, how could he age? Not ageing, how could he die? Not dying, how could he be shaken? Not being shaken, why should he be agitated?

Thanks, the idea of surrender occurs all the time for me personally. I can’t speak for others. For me personally, I’ve undergone the painstaking process of deconstructing the mental constructs of concepts. I’m no longer seduced by the “blinding spell” of concepts, rather I see through their empty nature. I’ve realised the images on the screen of consciousness are equal to the projected of this projection. For me it’s all Light, or Emptiness looking at itself through it’s own mirror effect. Reified through the process of conceptual construction, deconstructed. Hopefully this doesn’t sound too salady.

Ultimately there is not-even a letting go or let be, as there is already continuous dissolving and arising and this ever dissolving and arising turns out to be self-liberating. Without this ‘self’ or ‘Self’, there is no ‘doing’, there is only spontaneous arising. The ego is the illusory sense of a self where there isn’t one except as belief in the mind.

You can't decide to let go of the ego; you see through the ego's illusion, and then letting go simply happens as a natural function of that clear seeing, leading to profound inner peace and freedom.

@KoryKat Great post.

Always the need to play the nit picky, judge mental mind game. You’ve learnt nothing from James. He takes it beyond, which is beyond your grasp apparently. Leo is brilliant, but James is exceptional. Cheers, you’re welcome. That’s what claiming to know you know is all about, it’s about “This is all thought stories” The beyond is where most people fear to go, except those who have gone there, it’s rare but it’s not impossible. Shall we extend our love application and genuine reverence to all posters here on this amazing forum, yes, we’re all doing our very best. We’re all geniuses.

Heaven is at the feet of mothers.

“Deep rivers run quiet.” — Haruki Murakami This quote reminds us that true depth often shows itself in silence. Just as rivers flow powerfully beneath the surface, people with wisdom and strength don’t need to be loud. Their calm presence speaks volumes, offering peace and insight without noise.

The truth is already this immediate aliveness living and permeating as and through every physical body without doubt or error. Ultimately, Nothing can know itself without splitting into two things, into a knower and the known. Common sense reveals life is one seamless, ever unfolding process, always under construction that never completes.

@James123 ❤️👍

The step back is the key. We never entertain the idea of being outside the realm of self-centeredness because it’s taken root in us and we are identified with it. 🔐 A still mind can be likened to a still wind. Ultimately, stillness and silence is what is craved the most, the absolute truth of selfless being. Seen everywhere in unconditioned animals and nature, even in humans, yes, even the sense of self identity can be seen through as an illusory self, empty at its very core of appearing to be a self centred being. In reality it’s a centreless centre, that is everywhere at once absent of any boundary or circumference.

The Quintessential Quietness of being is the only authentic truth. And is prior to knowing prior to knowledge. Your knowledge isn't yours it's collective memory, creating your perceived reality and "self". Knowledge therefore, is a fiction, it’s not the silent truth. To think about truth is interference, which serves only as a distractive distortion of truth. Truth involves functioning directly, like animals, responding to stimuli without the need for continuous interpretation or retention of knowledge. I agree with you James. Your comments make more coherent sense to me than anything I’ve ever read before. Sometimes I will ask you questions or even challenge your ideas, but ultimately I know you are pointing to a truer truth when you say give everything back to God. I totally resonate with that sentiment.

There’s just Solipsism which includes the after and before the realisation of solipsism is recognised due to the solipsistic nature of solipsism.

It’s delightful to speak with you Joseph.

Nuance could be interpreted as many images of what is fundamentally imageless. What is the image of the imageless.

Joseph if you can see a you in the thought or the word, then you can see a no you by same method.

Nicely said. It’s always a pleasure to talk to you.

While I agree with that statement. I still can’t help but identify with my “character role” Even as I am aware of the unreal nature of known character. I still find myself flip-flopping from belief to clarity to belief. So I tend to integrate both awareness and the content, while at the same time, I’m knowing full well I am neither the awareness or the content. The illusion of I is very convincing, but ultimately I can be seen through to the point I dissolves into the wordless. Ultimately, looking , I cannot find the “character” in actual direct experience, because it’s just a belief, it has no permanent reality.

James, the OP is the truth. Thanks.

Is it wise or not wise to make the claim “I am not wise” ?

Affirmative. 😊

You are still bound by your social conditioning. It’s how the human species operates. Unlike animals that can just do what they want which some might say they are luckier than humans I guess.

Only you can answer. Other wise is not your wise.