Mellowmarsh

That's a thought.

Go ahead, don't hold back.

Knowing you exist.

My point is that nobody learns to exist. You exist absolutely. There's no such learning as learning to exist, or learning to not exist. Which seems to be a popular theme on this forum.

Bye the way. Once the 'thought' has been fully recognised, and fully realised to have occurred, the 'thought' that identified as 'existence' cannot be unthought. And that's where your personal 'meta-thinking' fails, and is revealed to be a huge pile of BS

You enter peoples thread topics just to say that to them. Fine by me, but it's a bit lame, but then....I guess that's how you roll. No problem.

Yes, absolute truth is already absolute truth. That's all I'm saying too. The only absolute truth is that you exist as a thinking being. I don't agree that anyone can deny their own existence. Prove me wrong, if you dare.

Where on this entire thread is it hinted or assumed that I am making some logical formula that encapsulates everything? Why not ask for clarification, if you are not sure about what is being discussed here.

Those kind of trips are comical to read. What the actual heck does that even mean..' i wish to hang reality on a nail as well '? Right now, can you deny your own existence, yes or no?

I honour your opinion, but it's not mine. So will have to strongly disagree with whatever it is you think I cannot handle.

You first have to exist before you can hold an idea in your mind. That absolute existence does not learn to exist.

Please don't deflect away from the actual point. A child absolutely knows it exists without doubt of error. This knowing you exist is what is being discussed here, okay.

Again, this is not about 'learning', as in the context of learning how to read words and sentences in a book, or learning to ride a bicycle. It's about the irrefutable fact that you cannot doubt or deny your own existence. That you exist, is an absolute truth. You know you exist, in contrast, it's impossible to know you do not exist. You don't learn to exist, just as you do not learn how to be born or learn how to die, nor does a baby learn how to walk. These things happen automatically. There may well be no ego, or autonomous agent called 'me' here, and a 'you' there, except as synthetically created ideas formed by language. Nobody need bother to question whether they exist or not, it's just obviously an absolute fact. Nobody needs to emphasize to anyone else that they could be wrong about their own existence, and vice versa. So James, keep your Epictetus quote out of this, as it's totally irrelevant to the subject topic. Thanks.

It's not even anything to do with being smart, or even dumb. It's just a simple natural realisation, or recognition that you are a thinking being, therefore you are, and that knowing is an irrefutable absolute truth.

It's the bit that doesn't require proof, or can be doubted, or be refutable, so it's the bit that is absolute.

The realisation 'I am a thinking being' is an absolute truth. This truth is undeniable. I know this, but I do not know how or why I know this. And yes, thoughts manifest 'the thinker'. And the thinker manifests the 'I am' Absolutely, without doubt or error. And yes, to make, or claim such statements, requires the linguistics of language. Thought and language are not understood as referring to fixed objects that pre-exist in a world outside language. This is because those things can simply not be found. Neither can language, which posits that 'thought' precedes language. Anyways, the point is, in my opinion, from my own intuition, from the perspective of my own direct experience, is that I know 'I am a thinking being' and that is the only absolute truth that I can be certain about. And yet I do not know how, or why, or when, or where, or who, is knowing I am, just that I am known, absolutely. That's all this topic is pertaining to.

Okay, but on this topic, in this thread, I will be referring 'only' to the absolute truth stated in the OP, that states the absolute truth is - 'I think therefore I Am' - I am thinking therefore I exist. (the sky is blue) is linguistics.

The 'absolute' of 'absolute truth' is a truth that cannot not be.

Linguistics.

Absolutely.

Saying is just happening. Why, why there is a need for this forum?

I've no idea.

An idea.

Here, we have a fine example of 'Linguistics' in action.

Either which way, matters not. Existence cannot be denied, refuted or negated as being non-existence.