Mellowmarsh

Real death is the entrance to Nonduality.

Something arising and falling, to me, sounds like I am aware of being and not being both. ( being) is the arising of I am (not being) is the falling away of I am It’s like there’s something that is aware of it’s finite nature of being, while simultaneously aware of its infinite not being. Infinity is just another word for not being. While being is just another word for finite.

Yes, the sense of self feels real. The claim (I am ) devoid of any conceptual overlay, feels real. One doesn’t require a name to be without doubt or error. Existence is already wide awake and unclaimed. So any reclaim of awakening is to turn what is unclaimed into an identity. By claiming (“I am awakened”) and it’s that claim which is the falsehood, not existence itself. Words cannot really touch reality as it actually, and really is, because words are overlaid mental constructs, just models, not the real.

@Breakingthewall okay man. 👍As you see it.

I’d argue differently, in that the idea of awakening, enlightenment etc.. still belongs to the conceptual dream, born of thought. It’s still a form of seeking, whereby there’s a demand to be dissolved of limited impermanence and to get to state that is beyond the conceptual dream of human man-made linguistics, while simultaneously self-perpetuating a strong binding permanent unlimited foothold within the sense of self or I to be one with the absolute. An I or sense of self that believes it can open itself to the totality to be one with the absolute, actually implies twoness, not one. To be with, implies two. The point is, dreamt characters cannot awaken. So it’s meaningless to believe awakening is an actual action. Awakening is just another myth, belonging to the conceptual dream. And there’s nothing but the dream. The dream is all there is, was, and ever will be,infinitely for eternity.

I mean perception, both yours, and our perception is both yours, and our own personal subjective truths.. which are ultimately self-generated, constructed, transitory simulated dreams… To know, or realise you’ve been dreaming requires an awareness of dreaming, which is an awareness of images constructed solely of that which is ultimately imageless. This is only how I perceive reality here, as my personal perception, which of course is just my particular dreamscape experienced here, and it’s just a share, so it doesn’t necessarily mean everyone else is experiencing the exact same perception of reality that I do.

Likened to a dream. Likened.

That which sees has never been seen, or known. The ‘you’s’ reality, exists only within the seen identified images of the imageless.

This is still reinforcing more of the conceptual dream. That which appears to be limited, was,is, never limited. That which appears to awaken, never awoke.

Daffy Duck.

Yes, even himself, Amazing looker looking only at himself. 😂

Always here, relative to the observer. Where the brightest stars are formed in the presence of darkness. Now you see me, now you don't. Not hiding, always here, ever present.

Reality shimmers beyond a single gaze,
its threads too vast for one mind to trace.
We reach, we grasp, yet the whole slips away,
like stars dissolving at the break of day. We are not meant to master the infinite,
but to dwell within its gentle pulse.
Fragments of truth arrive like whispers,
small sparks guiding us through the dark. To be is enough, to breathe is enough,
to let the river carry us without resistance.
Though effort clings, though striving calls,
the art lies in surrender, in presence, in flow.

When you don't react or even respond to the 'outside' reality events, but just observe them, the whole Universe stops. The Observer doesn't react. He illuminates.

Being empty of fullness and simultaneously full of emptiness.

You already belong to what it is you think you want to belong to. "To be human is to belong. Belonging is a circle that embraces everything; if we reject it, we damage our nature." "The hunger to belong is always active and intense because you belonged so totally before you came here."

Becoming more Sane can be very isolating. Isolating can be a kind of Superpower. It's super intelligent. The entire cosmos, or whatever you want to call life, is totally alone, absolutely. Personally, I'd rather be alone in my own aloneness, than be alone in the company of some one else's aloneness.

@James123 🎯

I didn’t say you did say that. My only game is not to discriminate, because that’s just more reinforcing of the dream. Awakening, is part of the dream story, where there’s an apparent character that wakes up from the dream of separation by identifying that all objects of experience are entirely made from an empty knowing self, it knows that because there is no other frame of reference from which to infer that knowing knowledge from. It’s kind of like an automatic self-sustaining self-referential thought looping mechanism at work here, which is all the same not-knowing knowing , identifying with itself, only. In other words, it’s not a person who awakens, as a person is identified as an object of experience made entirely from emptying knowing, meaning Awakening is another myth that belongs to the dream. Oh never mind.

My feeling is that no one can actually know for certain. I personally for example cannot know another consciousness with the same certainty that I know my own. I can only infer the existence of another consciousness through behavioural observation, and shared circumstantial evidence. The answer to the question of who awakens more would be speculative and blurry at best due to the “problem of other minds” whereby it would only be an assumption that others have awoken, as you can only know for absolute certainty your own awakening.

@Dodo okay thanks. An Awakening is the identification with an object of experience. Agreed. 👍

Consciousness cannot be defined as a word because a word is an auditory illusion of sound and light. There is no consciousness that is brighter or dimmer than another consciousness, similarly, there is no consciousness that is louder or quieter than another consciousness. Consciousness is only ever conscious of consciousness, and never conscious of other consciousnesses. Consciousness doesn't have other consciousnesses as if there was another consciousness existing inside or outside of it. And even if there was another consciousness existing outside or inside of consciousness, the infinite gulf between them both would be impossible to be crossed or closed, simply because a so called boundary of consciousness would be impossible to be detected.

If you are knowing. Why then would you seek knowledge from other sources by asking questions about the knowing that you already are?

The Sun and the Cave One day the sun and a cave struck up a conversation. The sun had trouble understanding what “dark” and “dank” meant and the cave didn’t quite get the hang of “light and clear” so they decided to change places. The cave went up to the sun and said, “Ah, I see, this is beyond wonderful. Now come down and see where I have been living.” The sun went down to the cave and said, “Gee, I don’t see any difference.”