What Am I

It is possible in my experience, using 5-MeO-DMT in particular. A smaller dose can give you a significant boost in consciousness, and then you can use an effective meditation practice to push it further. And it's easier to meditate correctly at that point, because a lot of the hindrances that'd typically hold you back have been removed.

This thread explains it: Francis777 and I went back and forth a bit. Very interesting to discuss with someone who's had an awakening of the higher type. I just wish it wasn't so overloading for him.

@bambi when it comes to repairing damage from abuse of harmful substances, the things that helped me the most were abstinence, a healthy lifestyle, and time most of all. It took like 5 years after stopping stimulant abuse for my fight or flight response to normalize.

Sure, if you're talking about highly energetic events caused by powerful psychedelics, I agree your karma gets burned away as you're purified by its exposure to your nervous system (or maybe chakras or nadis, I don't really know). And it would force the progression of a natural purification process that can ultimately lead to enlightenment, the highest samadhi, or whatever we would call it. I'd argue that's a good side effect of psychedelics such as 5-MeO-DMT, and it's the exact reason that one in particular has been so transformative for me compared to others. I'd also argue that there seems to be negative bodily side effects that occur in parallel. They're not deal-breakers, but they're bad enough to where it holds me back from going apeshit with it. At this point, I feel like I'm able to distinguish between the two types of side effects (good and bad). Thankfully, the good stays with you for many months after some heavy 5meo usage, whereas the brunt of the negative goes away after a few days at most. That's been my experience and interpretation at least. It's possible I'm missing something. I appreciate your continued attention on kundalini. For reasons I don't understand, only a few of us on the forum seem to get firstly that it's a real thing, and secondly what its role in awakening seems to be. It's an area that begs for more attention if the goal is spirituality of any significant type. Even though people can still develop in a similar way while being ignorant of it, it has helped so much in my mental map to understand it intellectually, even if imperfectly. That's an interesting possibility. I can't deny that maybe I'm misinterpreting the negative side effects, and they're actually resistance on my part. It'd take a leap in thinking for me to accept it though. Still worth considering.

It's that truth that gives me comfort in all the mistakes I've made. The concept applies to psychedelic use and much more.

No problem. The understanding would be how they're not a free ticket. I remember being extremely zealous about psychedelics, with the strong opinion they were all upsides with virtually no downsides. So with that attitude, I didn't hold anything back in their use. Many years ago, I'd smoke weed everyday and take mushrooms without any concern for spacing out trips. Any other opportunities that showed up, I'd almost certainly choose to partake. And even within the last 5 years, I'd go really heavy on 5-MeO-DMT vape pens with 3 hour sessions. I think it was those 5meo experiences that really opened my eyes to the notion that even my best spiritual tool could be deleterious. I'd have an epic headache afterward where the pressure was so intense, it almost felt dangerous. If I could go back in time, whenever I'd use psychedelics, the substance would be carefully chosen and it'd be squarely aimed at advancing spirituality, while minimizing the hedonistic desire to just feel good and have fun. So it's ultimately a question of efficiency in their use towards a specific goal. My efficiency was very poor, and I wish it was very good.

Gotcha, thanks for the explanation. Maybe it has something to do with an overload of the energetic system caused by an increased demand via astral projection. Because an overload of that type most certainly does feel shitty. Sure, so this is a tricky one. I'd be hard-pressed to say that I'm aware of any obvious negative long-term mental effects I've experienced from tripping. It's possible my memories could be slower to recall, or maybe I'm less able to take in and grasp new concepts. It's all so subtle, and it's like I'm trying to judge my mind using my mind, so who could really say. One thing I've noticed is that the bar has significantly lowered for how easily a rough comedown and hangover can be produced by psychedelics, meaning my brain and body are less resilient to the negative effects. It makes their drawbacks on health much more apparent, and it really forces me to choose my trips carefully. It's this alone that has me so vehemently in agreement with Leo to watch for signals from your body and respond accordingly. For me, the extrapolated risks have become too obvious to ignore. Just to not shit on psychedelics too much, they have absolutely changed my life and helped shed light on the path I need to follow. I don't regret their use, but I wish I had the same understanding in the past that I have now.

I don't think he means the type of bliss where you're nonfunctional rolling around on the ground though. I don't think it'd be too high of a bar to aim for the three characteristics of ultimate reality (sat chit ananda) to be consistently realized as your true natural state. This is awesome. I wish I had access to people who are so dedicated.

I hear what you're saying, and I ran down this line of logic myself when the thread was first started. The difference would be that you can intuit the soreness from exercise as an overall beneficial thing. Even more so as your intuition and capacity for awareness grows over time. Even though it hurts, it actually feels good in a way that's difficult to describe. And it's not just because you intellectually understand it'll produce muscle growth in the future. The sensation itself doesn't feel unhealthy. In contrast, I have never had the same intuition from the physical effects of a psychedelic hangover. It's something I avoid and minimize at all costs. I acknowledge this isn't scientific and is based 100% on "feels", but I'm confident in my assessment after countless trips over 20 years of psychedelic use. This is interesting and I wouldn't know how to fit it into my model, as I've never astral projected to my knowledge, especially not without chemicals being involved. I guess if you really feel repelled after the experience, it's possible you should avoid it. Maybe you're visiting realms that would correlate to the more negative side of the emotional spectrum, and they're affecting you in some undesirable way.

Weird, it's working for me. Well here's an image that graphically lays it all out.

If it was me, I'd much sooner increase the dose than mix with modafinil. Here's some good info for guidance on drug combinations: https://wiki.tripsit.me/wiki/Drug_combinations

It's tough to capture the vibe of a trip in words. If the essence of this pic could be translated into raw transcendent experience, it'd at least somewhat represent what my positive pharma experiences are like. Though nothing can really get it across except personally having the experience of course.

I bet there's been at least a few. I was chatting with one guy from here who supposedly had the higher type of kundalini awakening similar to Gopi Krishna, where the transcendent effects don't simply stop after just a few days. If our mainstream science had the knowledge and tools to measure it properly, I bet there's some really interesting energetic events going on around that guy. None that you'd want to be in the presence of though probably, as it was very distressing for him.

It seems very likely there's metaphysical connective tissue behind the scenes of reality. A single person achieving a very high level of consciousness is supposed to have a significant impact on all the rest of humanity. If large numbers of people started becoming authentically aware and accomplished, there'd probably be no stopping some kind of revelatory event.

Right, ignorance does take on a life of its own and protects the bigger secrets as if on autopilot. It's very much a Plato's Cave situation.

You're thinking it'd be denied out of ignorance or conspiracy to suppress? I respect the reason for your rule against conspiracy theorizing to exist, so I don't mean for this question to spin too far down that path.

It's so interesting how Eastern energy practices like Chi Gung mirror the purification process that people experience on highly energetic psychedelics like 5-MeO-DMT. I dare say doing it via Chi Gung would be preferable if you have the talent and the gumption.

I think the phrase "God meets you halfway" is a powerful one. It's a compromise between the attitude that everything is already God, so no need to do anything, and the opposite attitude that you must pursue awakening like a person would pursue water with their hair on fire.

Perhaps it'd be like after the first person ran the "impossible" 4-minute mile, and then the flood gates opened and many people achieved it.

I think the ability to recognize risk and understand the ramifications of consequences are something that has to be learned. I guess it's a form of wisdom as opposed to just knowledge. I remember being incredibly reckless when I was younger. And thinking back to my state of mind, part of me clearly understood I was screwing myself over, but my ignorance and lack of awareness simply wouldn't let me make better choices.

@Keryo Koffa impressive analysis. I especially appreciate #3. It's so often overlooked because it's so esoteric and unacknowledged as a reality.

If I remember right, the NB portion is a chemical tweak that alters the DMT and makes it inactive. It needs to be removed by heating to a certain temperature. This is a loophole that allows it to be sold legally. If it's possible to get regular DMT, I think that'd be preferable.

I don't think Leo is saying he thinks LSD is particularly damaging compared to others. I think he's saying the use of any substance that gives such extreme physiological states through a chemical catalyst will take a toll. And on that, I completely agree. If you're truly honest with yourself and conscious of your experience, you can feel the unhealthy drain from even a modest trip. It'd be a mistake to believe our science is in a state where we can comprehend the real ramifications of what we're dealing with. We don't even fully understand how psychedelics create their effect. So it looks to me like Leo is advising caution and measured restraint as opposed to recklessness, which is really tough to argue. To answer the question of the thread, I find DMT and 5-MeO-DMT best in this regard. They're certainly energetic, but not nearly as much in the neurotransmitter-draining type of way as some others.

At least in my experience, the chances of feeling rundown and having a hangover are much higher with LSD. I put a ton of weight in that, because feeling crappy from substance use puts a pause on my spiritual pursuits and my life in general. Coincidentally, I also abused stimulants a lot when I was younger, and I felt the crash from it so many times. That's the reason I won't stand for it now. I don't drink coffee or touch anything that's stimulating. It's unpleasant whenever I do, and my aim is to run on my own steam. Another major drawback is the long duration. I'm almost exactly Leo's age if his bio is to be believed. I don't know if he'd agree, but I think it gets more difficult to find time for a full day of tripping when you're not as much of a young fella. My current favorite psychedelics have much shorter durations thankfully. I haven't used mushrooms in over 10 years, so it'd be hard to say I'm a huge fan of those either. Some of the bad trips I've had would line up with your opinions on them. I suppose if the drawbacks I listed aren't an issue for you, LSD could be the better way to go.

I think I'm just average in intelligence, but when I had my first taste of authentic higher consciousness, my mind was open enough to the possibilities that I was forced to accept spirituality being the actual state of affairs. It instantly flipped from a fuzzy agnostic "maybe, who knows?" to an undoubtedly true "obviously, how can others miss this?". There's people way intellectually superior to me who I'm sure have had way deeper spiritual experiences than me (through psychedelics or whatever), and in all likelihood, they'll remain staunch materialists for their entire lives. So at least for me, I think the main factor wasn't IQ, but rather an open-mindedness and a willingness to step completely outside of what "everyone knows", once being blessed with evidence. There could also be hidden metaphysical reasons why a person becomes aware of spirituality or not.