What Am I

Exactly, these are interesting evidence in support of endogenous psychedelics controlling higher states of consciousness. Awesome stuff.

LOL probably truer than any of us realize. I'm sure there's great value in both learning from previous traditions as well as keeping a wide open mind to new discoveries, and beyond that their views likely align quite a bit. I have to figure out who my arch nemesis is on this forum and begin digging in.

Considering 5meo is an endogenous psychedelic in the human body, I wouldn't be surprised to find out that's exactly what it's designed for. So in theory, even someone who has never consumed 5meo externally is still under its influence when going into profound states. It's the current assumption I'm running on, barring any evidence to the contrary. I mostly use it via subcutaneous injection. I take 5-MeO-DMT fumarate and create a sterile vial in solution with water. From there, I usually inject anywhere from 3mg to 12mg, with 12mg essentially being a breakthrough. I experiment a lot with lower and moderate doses as well. I've used other ROAs, but this is definitely my favorite. I think I've read in other posts that you vape it? I know that's pretty much the most hardcore method there is in terms of quick onset and strong effects.

Nice, I love Adyashanti. He's one of, if not my most favorite teacher. His concept of 'true meditation' is a relief from the confinement of typical limiting meditation techniques, and it goes so incredibly well with 5meo use since it already puts you halfway into a realized state.

I think that's very true when the psychedelic in question is 5meo. I've found it helps with exactly what you're describing, with the caveat that you at least vaguely comprehend what you're aiming for and apply your efforts in the right way, both during and outside of psychedelic use. It might be less true of other psychedelics though, at least in my experience. They lack the same push towards the natural human process of enlightenment, and instead seem to veer off in other directions of higher development. I've made more serious progress in my relatively short time using 5meo than all the other years combined. It's a beast in showing the way and opening up the human potential.

Well jeez lol, I do kind of enjoy listening to his audio recordings. His talks are entertaining, and he has a way of artistically stringing words together that can sometimes expand my mind beyond the conceptual. Is there a darker side to Alan Watts I'm not aware of? I've heard he was an alcoholic, but I don't know much beyond that.

That's certainly possible. From our perspective, we're just looking at a man laying on a bed. You made a statement a few weeks ago that really rings true. Someone was asking you if a certain person was awake in your opinion, and you said something like "It's hard to know who knows what." Barring some kind of sixth sense that lets you track others' attainments, who could really say? Though with the reduction of brain waves being tracked by the device, it'd be fair to say he's at least probably experiencing an altered state, and possibly a form of samadhi.

Good point, this is probably how it should be, where the freedom from a contracted self is pursued first and foremost. My spiritual journey is a good example of how you can get sidetracked and distracted for 20 years. Either from psychedelic use, or from pursuits of spiritual attainment not directly aimed at liberation. I think doing so has created a kind of ripple effect that's actually made life more difficult than it should have been. Possibly through the metaphysical mechanism of karma, due to tapping into higher things while still having that small sense of self. To clarify, in my opinion, it'd probably be possible for a sober human to do this and much more. It's just that the enlightened folks we hear about haven't typically seemed to access these other things once liberated, whether out of ignorance of their existence or maybe wisdom to avoid it.

Yes, definitely. At least in his older videos, I don't think he was aware that a psychedelic exists which could bypass the subtle and go right to causal. 5meo is such a powerful meditation tool, it boggles the mind.

Sure, in general you're correct that the bioavailability for injection is typically a lot higher. And if we were talking about intravenous injection of 5-MeO-DMT, 3mg would be a breakthrough dose. But for IM, a breakthrough is closer to 15mg. Since I only used 2mg IM, it was a relatively tame dose that wouldn't produce significant effects. If RamPhoenix took two 10 second draws on a 1:2 pen, that'd be a way higher dose.

I think there may be a false perception of my view here. I'm with you 100% that sober meditation, leading to enlightenment, is the true way. And it's the ultimate destination that every human should strive for. I also believe sober meditation can bring about extreme states of liberation beyond what psychedelics can produce on their own, so I think I may differ from Leo on that. But even Wilber theorizes that some psychedelics seem to be able to produce niche spiritual experiences that meditation perhaps cannot. It's my guess that a DMT breakthrough may be one of those.

Thanks man, I actually wasn't aware of the extended lists of questions. I have little doubt that they were identified to redirect monks back to vertical development rather than horizontal. Intuition tends to suggest that it can be a trap of sorts. A way of looking at the moon in a pond's reflection.

That is a good point. As anyone with significant psychedelic experience would know, there's an infinite distance of profundity between a low/moderate dose and a breakthrough. I'd be so curious to hear what Wilber thinks of those, because I'm not so sure standard meditation techniques would lead to what a DMT breakthrough would show you for example. For 5meo though, I wouldn't be surprised to find out his experience is at least comparable.

Tricky! Thanks, that's probably what I'm seeing. We can use a browser extension like Dark Reader to create an ad-hoc dark mode, but a built-in is usually better.

Really sorry to hear it, hoping for the best.

I think I actually formed most of my opinion of Ramana Maharshi based on Ken Wilber's statements. It's possible I'm just being a parrot in this case, and I should have looked more into it for myself.

I think I'm more so leaving the door open to say we can all aim even higher to a widely adoptable achievement for all people. I definitely recognize Ramana was quite special and extremely selfless, in both the colloquial and literal sense. Maybe I've been saying it in a blunt way that can be annoying, and I apologize for that. Didn't mean to put out bad vibes.

Ah interesting, well I'm not a Ramana Maharshi biographer and my knowledge about him is limited, so I retract my previous statement if this is true. I had the impression that he was so physically incapable that he needed assistance to walk and had to be attended to for all his basic needs. And he looked young in the pics I've seen, so I assumed he was in this state when he was like 40. Outside of Ramana, I think my main point still stands though. If your spiritual progress comes at the cost of the complete loss of physical health, it's probably not an achievement that should be emulated. At least not in my opinion.

It's so bizarre that this is what's apparently happening forever.

That's possible, but I think the point of the four imponderables was that they simply can't be understood conceptually, and to continue to try would be a fruitless exercise that will never lead to a satisfactory result, no matter how many words are used to do it. The rule was likely made to point attention back to the experiential spiritual practice itself, where things like that can be grasped, though in an intuitive way. Of course, who knows, maybe it is possible to describe those things in words and Buddhism was short-sighted. I don't think so, but I don't know everything. Edit: I just reread your comment and realized you may be joking lol. I noticed the humor too late.

Maybe it's similar to the four imponderables in Buddhism. Maybe the monks of that time were doing a lot of conjecture, and the rule was made to shut it down lol. https://buddhist-spirituality.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/FourImponderables.pdf From the document: "would bring madness and vexation to anyone who conjectured about it"

I'd argue that someone who does the process with attention towards physical health would have the potential to go deeper, since at least part of the spiritual mechanism involves the more subtle aspects of the body. In fact, deep attainment itself causes a flood of vital energy that should keep health more robust, which is kind of confusing when you look at someone like Ramana. I don't claim to understand what's going on there, because it'd be ludicrous to assume he wasn't actually accomplished in spirituality.

Some might consider it blasphemy to say it, but I think Ramana Maharshi was overrated for exactly the reasons you're describing. It was obviously an imbalanced attainment if his physical form is deteriorated. I'm not denying his skill in certain areas, but it's probably not a model anyone should strive for.

lol yes, I'm sure many have noticed there's a lot of that going on here. I guess one positive is that it keeps the forum active, which can draw in all kinds of interesting characters who may have something to share.