What Am I

From what I've seen, the book does go into some heavy topics not previously revealed to a wider audience. A big one is descriptions of how the UFOs actually function. He also discusses it on the Rogan podcast from today.

I take him seriously in so far as I have suspicions he's part of a controlled disclosure, where little tidbits of info are slowly given to the public to build interest and to reverse the public's knee-jerk skeptical conditioning caused by decades of purposeful false discrediting and debunking of UFO-related topics. It's unclear whether this controlled disclosure is working towards benevolent ends or not, but myself and many others suspect that this same central power which has viciously kept this a secret for decades will also ensure the knowledge is released in a selective manner, to ensure their continued supremacy. It'll likely lean heavily towards forcing mass public compliance by way of fear, perhaps of a pending non-human invasion or war, whether the various species are actually hostile or not. So as you can tell, I'm not really a fan of Elizondo. I'm also not familiar with the details of the Skin Walker thing though, so I couldn't say either way whether there's any merit to the reports. From what I have heard, it does sound pretty goofy and unlikely to be true. If Elizondo pushes it strongly, that alone would cause me to be suspect.

Very true, Destiny has a way of being incapable of ceding ground in a debate. It's in his personality to just dig in further. The problem is that he's so intellectually sharp, he's able to continue effectively arguing points even when he seems to realize he shouldn't be. It's fascinating to watch lol. @Leo Gura this is a good warning. When Destiny slips into that mode, the conversation can turn from a search for truth into a conquest for him to come out as correct at all costs.

Can you give any hints as to the topics that'll be up for discussion? Was that hashed out with Destiny ahead of time?

Despite my last post putting Luis Elizondo down, I can't help but post this podcast that just came out lol. It looks like he may discuss the electromagnetic/gravitic effect mentioned in the video I posted above.

Here's an interesting and easily digestible video going over some of the history of anti-gravity research. Even though this is just a mini documentary created in part to be entertaining, I'd consider it a much better use of time as opposed to focusing on the drip-feed carefully controlled disclosure from the likes of Luis Elizondo. If you were to follow messaging such as his, you'd have the impression that we're still studying UFO material, with no major breakthroughs in terms of understanding and replicating it. That definitely does not seem to be the case when you look beyond a surface-level view of the topic.

Very interesting, thanks. It's possible I judged malt as inferior too quickly, and it's worth another look.

Have you ever pushed the dose with malt and approached or reached breakthrough? From some of the reports I've read, it does sound like it can consistently become non-dual, but it also sounds a bit different from a 5meo breakthrough.

It's true that there have been many accounts of proximity to their psionic technology causing serious long-term harm to humans, with some even resulting in death. It's a plausible theory that everything about them is just too far beyond the average person, and the lack of mass contact is for our own good to allow us to evolve naturally. I don't know though, this feels like an unsatisfying theory to someone who has really painted a fuller picture of the situation. I don't think the truth is as simple as the more cookie-cutter explanations. It may be that things are the way they are for reasons we literally can't comprehend.

I was surprised when I heard Leo's name while watching the stream. I wasn't sure if Destiny was going to dig deeper past the blog into the more interesting areas of the site involving spirituality and psychedelics. Can't imagine what he would have thought then lol.

It's one thing that factions within the US have kept this secret for decades, but it's doubly concerning that the beings themselves have neglected to make us aware of their presence. I can't say I understand why that is, or even have a decent theory. And it's more likely that we're talking thousands of years as opposed to merely dating back to 1940. Also, if there is such a thing as disinfo agents who are utilized to muddy the waters, I get strong vibes from Elizonda of that being his role. I feel he's purposely giving a slanted view with a strong bias towards disclosures that'll cause fear. He hints at the spiritual aspects of all this, but not in a way that's empowering to the individual. Rather, he highlights our inferiority to an excessive degree.

That is a good point, I've seen Destiny talk to a wide range of different types of people. Whether for reasons of increasing his revenue via better entertainment or a genuine interest in the topic (or both), he'll at least usually have the conversation. But Leo and the concepts presented here are a step beyond what I've ever seen Destiny grapple with. The mystical experience is almost purely subjective, with currently little evidence of its existence outside of the individual who experiences it. I admit, it'd be interesting to see what Destiny thinks. Or perhaps they'd just discuss stuff like "What is a woman?" But that'd be quite lame in comparison imo. Perhaps someone like Jordan Peterson would be a better choice, as he's shown a more sophisticated understanding of God, psychedelics, and the perennial philosophy. Destiny, despite being a logical virtuoso, may not have the tools needed for a productive conversation regarding mysticism.

As an update, the act of melting 5-MeO-DMT freebase when it's loaded into a cart is not difficult. While carefully holding the cart in front of a miniature 500w personal space heater, it only took a couple minutes to thoroughly melt the substance. I didn't try actually using it yet, but it appeared to remain in a vape-able state for at least 30 minutes.

I've noticed a few posts on the DMT subreddit where people are loading carts with straight DMT freebase in crystal form and then heating the cart with something like a hairdryer to melt the DMT into liquid form. At this point, they claim to be able to vape it with the same ease as a PG/DMT mix, with the obvious difference that it's now much stronger and you can avoid ingesting the unwanted chemical of PG. Anyone ever try something similar with 5-MeO-DMT? The main difference I see is in the two molecules' melting points. DMT freebase melts at ~104F and 5-MeO-DMT freebase melts at ~151F. It's hard to say without doing some testing, but the higher melting point may be an issue in performing this method. At least for DMT freebase, it stays melted for 30-60 minutes after heating and then recrystalizes in the cart. https://www.reddit.com/r/DMT/comments/1bgkcn9/dmt_vape_no_pgvg/ https://www.reddit.com/r/DMT/comments/n1mwf3/no_pg_required_just_heat_the_cart_until_its_all/

I have my doubts that Destiny would interact with anybody who has the sincere belief that they and everything else are God in the literal sense. Or if he did, it'd be a horrible mock-fest and likely not productive in the way we'd hope. He's not open to anything being true which hasn't been verified by a majority of what he considers experts in any particular area of knowledge. This is despite his description of what sounds like a major ego death experience on mushrooms. For a person like Destiny, even a 5-MeO-DMT breakthrough may not be enough to convince. It seems like he holds his conceptual belief system in such high regard, he'd even trust it above a full and direct experience of Consciousness. Hard to believe, but there's people like that out there.

If I were ever to use exogenous testosterone, the furthest I'd push it is slightly supraphysiological. It's predictable that going way outside the natural range would produce crazy cascading effects. The description in the video sounds pretty hellish.

The line between a grand conspiracy and what appears to actually be happening is very fine indeed. There are certain military leaks that indicate the strangeness of the phenomenon is itself part of what's utilized for the coverup. The whole thing is simply too bizarre for your average person to believe, and it effectively hides itself. So an acceptance and understanding of a conspiracy is actually part of what occurs as you get further into it. The important point is to stay grounded and not become this guy:

I think the openness needed to delve deeply into these topics is one of those qualities that's more innate. Someone either has it or they don't. So we can plant small seeds here and there, and maybe they'll reach someone who's seeing it at the right time, but it'd probably be an exercise in futility to expand too much further while unprompted by any specific requests for more info. And it's hard to blame Leo for not wanting excessive speculation on his forum. We've all seen what that can turn into, and he likely wants to maintain a certain degree of quality to the discourse.

Nice, useful quote. It's probably the easiest thing in the world to get addicted to our own kool-aid, so that's always worth watching out for. It's a delicate balance to not get caught in delusion and misunderstanding, and like I mentioned before, a lot of it will be based on extrapolations using your own concrete knowledge as a base. If your repertoire of spiritual understanding is weak, you'll be far less likely to be able to stand on solid ground in your assumptions regarding the topic of UAPs, especially in regards to their connection to spirituality. It'd be comparable to a fundamentalist's understanding of God as opposed to someone who has achieved the legitimate supreme state (via meditation or psychedelics). A mountain of experience and context would be missing for the fundamentalist, and they'd have no hope of teasing apart the subtleties of identity that are involved. So I don't know, maybe focus exclusively on spiritual advancement for now. If you're a younger fella who lacks a great deal of experience in that area, trying to piece together the more esoteric aspects of life may do more harm than good. At least with spirituality, if you're honest with yourself, you can utilize the quality your own experience as a type of measure to determine the true extent of your progress.

You're asking how do I determine what to believe when considering the relationship between UAPs and spirituality? Or did you mean something else?

This makes me think of the movie Split, which I believe may be based on real people with similar conditions. Very strange, who knows. If we get to a point where we can scientifically validate a soul, perhaps we'll observe two when we look at a person like this. Or perhaps not, and we'll instead just see an attention-seeking weirdo. I agree though that it seems difficult to keep up the charade, assuming that's what's going on here.

I usually view this kind stuff as somewhat fantasy-based, with a possible kernel of truth. It's very easy to spin off into "new agey" beliefs in UAP discussions. But if you can keep yourself grounded in what you know for sure and make careful extrapolations and logical deductions from that vantage point, it's more difficult to fall into that type of thing. It's possible, and even likely, that an actual hyperdimensional afterlife has a strong relation to the UAP phenomenon, but there's so many contradicting stories out there that it'd be almost foolish to grasp on to any one and be convinced it's the full truth.

Very cool, thanks for the guidance.

If you pay attention to the myths throughout the ages, as well as countless modern reports and leaks, there's no denying the possibility that the depths of our oceans are used as some kind of base station for things relating to UAPs. It's obvious you must have turned a corner recently and had your mind melted by the likelihood of fantastic things existing on earth. This shit really is wild, and it's hard to know how far it goes, even after decades of looking into it as well as living it via spiritual experience. You should know that this forum isn't big into any of this though, so you won't find a lot of people here who are even that curious, much less knowledgeable about the topic.