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@TheSelf Also, Isha has a great support system in place, ppl to talk with and such about practices and such, there are other in the Isha world that are quite advanced as well, besides Sadhguru, other Swami's and such that are under him, so that is there too to help those in need!

Well I think with the Inner Engineering program and the way it is set up with the Shambhavi Mahamudra, there shouldn't be any "Problems" since it s a slow and steady approach, the idea is not too have "Grand Experiences" right off the bat, you will have more pleasant experiences, I was having laughing fits after a couple of weeks for no reason, and lots of peace of mind since then... Now with him helping or not helping, I haven't experienced anything extraordinary, but from what he says he is available to You always, obviously this means he is available in a non physical way, he says he has initiated more ppl that he hasn't met than he's met, so he may be working on another plane of existence or something like that, I don't believe or disbelieve this stuff, its just what he says and that's that... I just look at his life, how he lives and I see that something massive is up with him, I can't describe it, but he's got something that most other do not so I would like a piece of that if that is okay lol:) I don't believe he is in it for the $$ or fame, or power, some of the things he does doesn''t make that stuff happen so why do it then??

Your making a big mistake making Assumptions about what Sadhguru is doing, without really investigating it, now if You can't travel I posted something for You to try, but You won't because someone else says it won't work... Does Sadhguru have businesses? Yes for sure, he's got lots of mouths to feed, hospitals to support, schools to run and programs to provide, so money has to come in, that doesn't mean the stuff doesn't work, or that what he is saying is bogus! Just try it for 3-4 mths, see what happens, open Yourself up to it (this is not about belief or brainwashing, think or investigate the technique and method of it, rather than personalities and judgements about what someone is doing that you have no idea about)!) and if You experience difference stick with it, if not drop it, its your LIfe!

Basically what Your trying to do is discredit him, for some reason you have something against him within, probably unconscious to You, it really doesn't matter, what I or You or anyone thinks, Self Love or whatever, he'll do what he wants, some will like it others not so much, then leave, in the end if he has left this place better than when he arrived then the job is done, I would say he has done that is spades! This Self Love talk and how it shows something about him, you really have to take a look at it, Self Love in my definition is Egoic, Love is about Two, are there two of you within? If there are then that is a problem...He's for sure very Loving, this is from his experience within and the Bliss he feels, its reflective in his actions... Yes yes I'm obsesssed with him and this or that in my mind, there is a reason for this, he makes tremendous sense and his methods work, that's it..,

As he says in public video's and in person (I've attended 3 programs with Sadhguru, 3 to 4 days for each one), Its just You and Him, plus if You can stop identifying with Space and Time, its available anywhere all the time, so its not "watered down" or less than any other method lol...I've researched other kriya methods, when I watched or read what they did it all related to shambhavi mahamudra and such, plus there are other programs/practices that Isha offers that are after one learns Shambhavi, so in my experience Shambhavi is very effective and powerful, you will feel its effects soon after you start practicing, and with the other tools offered in Isha's Inner Engineering program, one is on their way,,I will say its not a fast track, but its slow and steady so that one does not fall backwards at anytime!

Start off here, watch this video with Sadhguru, he explains it all on how to get started, you can go thru it all online, he is available to anyone that is willing, that is the important part, if Your Willing, it is available to You!

Like someone said before, with Real Kriya Yoga, the Guru initiates via transmission, he is the fire, you are the spark from the fire and want to become fire yourself, without the Guru's fire you don't exist on that level, so in the old days there was not much talking and convincing like there is today, this is because ppl were not as intellectual, they were too busy surviving and working to stay alive, so they were more grounded, and the Guru could easily transmit Spiritual Knowing to them, so in Kriya it is like this, Learning from a Book or video is not good, dangerous actually! and Switching methods is not good either, find a Guru then stick to that method for a long period of time, see what happens!

From my research everything started as a Spiritual Practice or path of sorts, then it got organized and become more about Belief than One's personal Experience, then with Organization and Belief as the standard things get political and Religion is born. Now some may say that the larger Spiritual Org's look exactly the same, in some ways they are, but those places maybe more about popularity and bringing in more $$ than Spirituality in its truest form... With practices and yoga and such, in my experience it not about faith, I don't have faith in the practices, I just use them and see what happens, of course for all of this too happen I have to have an Interest and motivation, this is similar to learning good Martial Arts, if you look from the outside it all looks like crap and useless, but when You go indepth with it, and learn from a qualified master then practice it, it works like magic, its the same with High Quality Sadhana and Yoga methods, this is not the same as rituals where the ppl just go in, do something with no mindfulness or intention and then leave the place/ritual and no transformation is taking place, its like ppl driving to work on the same route everyday they lose focus and awareness of what is going on around them...

This idea that there is a "Caring" God up there somewhere, that You can have a Personal Relationship, is a solace for ppl, its make ppl feel wanted and protected but its not a solution! It boggles my mind how so many millions of ppl believe in this crap, just goes to show the general consciousness level of the planet, very low.. Using the word God is the wrong word to be using, its got too many insinuations, and beliefs attached to it, better to use word like Intelligence or Brahman, or Shiva (which means "That which is Not") and that we are basically this, in human form, spiritual beings having a Human Experience per say, and we can be intouch with this (if You are Your In Bliss, which looks like Love to everyone else) if we strive for it, some have to strive harder than others, depends on their Karmic makeup!

Just Inquire about this, Why do we always ask WHY? If You were Blissed Out, would You ask Why this or why that? So find out where the question is coming from! Mostly in today's world I would say its coming from our over active Intellects and Addiction to it, we are way too identified with our intellect, which in basic form is a survival tool, we are given an intellect at birth it just has to be feed data to function, if we didn't have it and since we are so weak physically compared to other life forms, we would have died off long long ago..As well our wanting to know comes from our most fundamental Desire which is to expand endlessly, be Boundless and totally Free, its just we are using the wrong tools to get to that point! Now Intellect has to divide and separate to figure things out, it dissects, now think of the person You love the most, would you know all about them by dissecting them? No, probably not, so this inquiry in this form via Intellect will only get us further away from what is Truth or Reality. Now if You Include everything as a part of Yourself, then You will know, the one You love the most, you Love them, feel Love for them because You have Included them as a part of Yourself, now You experience Knowing of them and a sense of Oneness, so this happens when another form of Intelligence arises within Us, Awareness, via Awareness our natural Intelligence, which is the same Intelligence that created everything arises within Us, and we feel Oneness and Knowing, connection with Everything, this is the idea behind Enlightenment!

Also he is bring up this fallacy about "Flaws" how we are all flawed and this and that, this comes from a higher up conceptualization or conclusion of Perfection, so there is a judgement going on here. One can say nature and creation and what was there before creation is Perfect, then we have us as human beings and what is going on around here on Earth, is this perfect? No it is not, ppl suffering is not perfect or is it? So again there is a paradox here, and basically if one goes down this rabbit hole of intellectualization they will get stuck in a loop for sure, you can't figure it out and why would You! Just realize that there is a life beyond survival, eating, sleeping, reproducing, working then dying, and that potential is within Us, its a matter of Realization, it starts with establishing yourself in a stable emotional and energetic balance, then going on from there, but the choice is within Us, we can stay in survival mode or go beyond it, that is it...Sadhguru is here to help us with this Choice and Realization if we choose to go in that direction!

Wow that's crazy! Never heard of this phenomenon, a real mind bender, coming back to a sort of reality after an experience like that, how it changes someone, just crazy!

Well saidf! Yes, there's lots of things I imagine going on in his life behind the scene's which few know about, why publicize it and create drama, it takes away from what his plans are, so he goes on, coitizing it and his work ethic and commitment is so strange too me, doesn't make sense and comes from a egoic place imo!

Maybe this has something to do with recalling past lives and such things, this reminds of that Star Trek episode where they find a beacon of sorts in space and engage it then Picard is KO'd and lives another life of sorts, strange indeed to go thru something like that!

You said "If Your just LOOKING for happiness and health go into Yoga" and that happiness/health seeking is shallow, so to me that means Yoga is shallow, so maybe you should edit your post and be more clear about what you want to relate to others to avoid misunderstandings:)

You need the base of being Naturally Happy and Healthy to go beyond it, if those things are issues for someone, the higher realms of Consciousness are not accessible for them, its that simple, so establish Happiness/Health first, that is for all aspects of what You are, Body, Mind, Emotions, Energy then go beyond it, in this way drugs won't be needed to have those Oneness/God/Completeness experiences!

No Kriya Yoga is about Internal Actions, not the mind or body which are external in a way, so Kriya is about the internal energy system and making it vibrant and very alive and active within You, Chakras are cleared up and opened so the Energy can flow in the proper directions, think of the rising of the energy in the Chakras to different Life intensities, when the energy is stopped in the lowest Chakra your life is mostly about Eating and Sleeping, but when it rises up your life takes on different dimensions of experience, action and intentions, so that is what Kriya is about, no Belief at all is involved! https://isha.sadhguru.org/en/wisdom/article/kriya-yoga

The Key to establishing any sort of Spirituality (non physical aspect of who you are) in life is establishing a baseline Experience within Yourself that is always there no matter what is going on around You, its better to be a master of ones self than a slave to situations which is the worst form of slavery, allowing outside situations to determine Your inner nature/experience. How to establish Ease no matter what? Accept Now as it is absolutely (this doesn't mean You want it that way, it just means you accept it that way), Live Now completely, use past to become Wise from, Use future to plan and create, but don't live there! If Your Anxious (fear of future), or Depressed (bitter/sad/angry about Past), then that means Your living in those mental spaces, which blinds You from where Life is, right NOW! Learn to Respond rather than React, Responding corresponds with Beingness/Consciousness, Reacting is anti Beingness/Complusiveness, this is more than an Intellectual thing,,all of these tools will make the Stress Response mostly Impossible for You to experience, when that happens Peace is Your inner nature, which will lead to Bliss eventually. Then find a everyday practice, Isha Kriya is a good one, its 12 mins and easy to do, check it out!!

Potential and Possibility arise out of Oneness, which is akin to God, so that is why we are here, in someway we are the expression and ability to use or express this possibility and potential on a material realm with Free Will as our basic use, via being Highly Aware of our Potential and Reality that we are in... Duality has to exist in possibility, so that is here, dual world with possibility of having Oneness experience as our basis and still functioning thru a Body and Mind complex.. Suffering only happens because of unAwareness of this potential and possibility, and there is no judgement from anything or anyone, it just is, when unawareness rules suffering rules, and visa versa..

The Key to all of this is knowing Bliss within, that all Your Experiences happen within You, and that You can determine how You want to be within Yourself, Blissful or Miserable! First intellectual realization is basically this, Accept all that is as inevitable, the way things are are the way they are, 2nd is Living absolutely in Now presence, use the past to become wise not wounded, plan for the future via imagination and creative forces, but realize that Life is always rooted in the Now, and that is where life is, so make that a primary, 3rd Respond to Life rather than React, this is the difference btwn being Conscious vs Complusive, one brings forth your Free Will, the other makes you a slave to situations, pick which one is more impowering for You..With all of this once it is mastered within Yourself, then You will not have any Stress Response what so ever, no matter what is going on, Your natural Intelligence will then become more available to You, You will be at Peace no matter what, and life Energies will start to rise up, bringing forth more Joy and Bliss in Your experience. Start a Yoga practice to work the other side of it, start with this one its easy and simple...

Pain existing is a good thing, physically it keeps us able bodied and healthy, just imagine if no pain in our body existed, what ppl would be doing to it for fame? Suffering is not good for health or empowerment of Life, its mind made, suffering is pain unaccepted over a period of time, so it means Unacceptance of a situation that is happening, which is unhealthy! Acceptance does not mean we want something to be that way, its just accepting this moments inevitability, which lays the ground work for the future being brighter, if your stuck in the past and unacceptance (suffering) then there is no future and you will for sure miss the Glory of what is present Now!

When You try to fulfill the Desire within, Desire is akin to Life, its endless, via the mental or ambition route or thru physical means you will for sure end up suffering it, so so many examples of "Successful" ppl, having the fame, fortune, status, creative expressions, travel, luxury, on and on it goes, but they feel empty inside, because they had imagined themselves being happy and healthy in that sort of situations, when it came they found it didn't fill the cup up, so suffering comes... But all experience happens within You, ppl use this stuff as a stimuli to feel Happy, and Intense sense of Life, but its external and it comes and goes, but we can control our inner experience and create it how you want, Joy or Misery that is our choice, its not the goal of life, but the foundation, this guy has none of that!

No need for self love, yes he takes care of the basics for himself, eating proper food and stuff, but he for sure is Purpose driven (even though he sort of doesn't like to use that terminology, again I think he is sort of in a "Don't do what I do, but do what I say" sort of situation), and maybe it is determined by a time limit of sorts.... Look Leo has health problems, he doesn't near work the same sort of schedule that Sadhguru has over the last 30yrs, so why give any creds to what he has to say about this situation when he himself is in bad health, lol... Shit happens, I'm sure Sadhguru will be hopping on the horse once again doing what he does regardless of what anyone says!

This is not advice, he never told ppl to sleep only 2hrs a night, I've watched most all his sharings, he said that when Your energies rise up, and you master that art of being at Ease in your daily life (accepting, responding, living now=no stress response), then you sleep quota will go down automatically, he never said to force yourself to only sleep 2-4hrs a night, your misunderstanding!