Ishanga

Proper Yoga is not about seeking Bliss either, Bliss is just the foundation, as Yoga is about breaking barriers as well, so that one can perceive Reality in its Truth, but thru the path of Bliss it is much easier and safer, than drugs or any other method for the person using it! A huge problem around here I see is that ppl are denying the basic Human Qualities of Peace, Happiness, Bliss and such as not so important, but its just the basis of Your everyday Life, if You negate that, ignore it, then Life will bite You hard, there's way to much abstract talk and thinking about things that are way beyond one's actual situation and experience of Life, hence talking about Death, Absolute, Imaginary Life, God and such are useless conversations in reality, its get one in a circle jerk of nothing!

Food is a survival aspect not drugs, we don't need psychedelics to survive, and any good spiritual master will not promote using them to advance on the path, its just ppl using some sort line of information to support why they do something, it makes them feel better for using it... To put it simply, Your body has its own pharmacy within it, if You can access it, and you can, then you can create whatever drug you want naturally, this is Always Always superior to using outside substances!! The Bliss that is available to all of Us can come naturally, that is all that needs to be said, via that Bliss Awareness opens up and the same revelations are revealed, those that use drugs consistently are cheating essentially and karmically this will catch up to them!

Don't use this term God just because Leo does, its the wrong label to use since it invokes a certain idea and image, just saying:) Intelligence is the basic quality of Existence, just think of the smallest thing like an Atom, do we know all there is to know about an Atom? I don't think we do, we may think we do but we don't, and within the Atom is mostly empty space, what is that exactly? So Existence is a sort of Grand Intelligence, what does this have to do with Us? We can be intouch with it more than any other life on this planet, by intouch I mean we can experience it in a way, know it in a way at a highly Aware and Experiential level.. Religion takes this all away from ppl, the opportunity to Experience Life this way, that is why its corrupt for the most part, the way it is done in our society today, as it everything large groups of Humans come in contact with and try to organize, this is simple because they are "Out of Touch" with Life and Existence!

BY DONG TOO MANY PSYCHEDELICS! LETS REPEAT THAT FOR ALL TO HEAR, BY DOING TOO MANY PYCHEDELICS! That is where the sickness is!

Yes for each their own way, but in the end its not empowering to rely on outside substances to bring about states of Experience, hands down this is proven to be so, but each can go their own path, Karma will play its game and life will work out as it does, we have to be Aware of what is Empowering and What is not to make it a life with less suffering and more Joy and Aliveness, the drugs don't help in that direction!

Since Your familiar with Sadhguru's work, from what he says (they say he's a Charkrawara or Master of the Energy system), what you describe above is not the Soul, but the 5 Shealths or Koshas and the karmic substance which binds them altogether, which in my understand surround the Soul or Life that is within all of Us, there are no "Individual Souls", only Life is within Us, this Life has no personality or uniqueness, it is present in all living things, but we as Humans can be the most conscious/aware of it and be intouch with it on our human level compared to other life forms....

@Shodburrito Suffering, like Depression, Anxiety, Anger and such emotions and experiences, are objectively and medically proven are not healthy for Your Body and Your Mental state obviously, so although I agree in a way, Better/Worse, Good/Bad are just words we throw around and one persons Bad could be another persons Good, it is relative in some ways, this mostly has to do with Likes/Dislikes, not objective realities like Mental Health or Physical Health, and such things.. Concerning these words we use like Enlightenment and such, for me, they just represent certain possibilities and potentials, in the end we all have free will to decide how we want to be within ourselves and how our lives should be, if someone wants to live in a prison and say that is heaven then that is great for them, its not for me, and visa versa, if one thinks Enlightenment is relative to living an Ordinary Life (Work, Sleep, Family, Weekends off, Grandkids, Vacations, Retire then Die) then that is okay for THEM, its not for me, I see and understand up to a point the difference, its a matter of Potential for Me, living the Ordinary Life is low Potential, Enlightenment is the Highest Potential, we choose how to be and what to do, that is our choice...

Yes, the copycat syndrome is prevalent here big time, the idol worship too, it happens everywhere, I've been thru this stage in many ways in many fields, when I was young playing tennis full time, I worshipped Borg, played like him, wore cloths like him and so on, then in Martial Arts I had that with a few ppl, and in Spirituality it happened too, but it dissipates sooner or later, one has to be who they are within this moment and within this karmic makeup, and go for it in whatever way they need, some only want simple Peace, or Bliss, others want this so called Absolute Understanding, go for it but if you can't joyfully accept all consequences then suffering will result for sure, if you like to suffer then continue on!

True! Many times I have read posts from people and it made allot of sense, I thought "Hey this person is really on their way", then they post how they are in a park somewhere during the weekday, mid afternoon, taking some pill that gives them some experience of God, lol, and they are on here everyday for hours, it sort of is revealing.. I come here when I'm off, but I have a work and family life, so there's a balance of sorts but for some it really is needed to take care of the basics and drop all of this absolute stuff, its too much at times and I feel for them in a way, its too bad it is this way, its a reflection of a society that wants its citizens to be zombies unfortunately!

Unfortunately True, its a certain kind here, but I'm only sharing maybe someone will pick up on it and change, what else can one do eh?

I'll share my theory but its just that a Theory, no Truth can be found in it as I do not really Know! Absolute is a realm lets say, within it is Oneness, Completeness and Potential/Possibility, but no Experience is there, for that too happen we need Us, Individuals with ability to Experience and have no memory really of this Absolute which makes up our fundamental nature.. So we are here to work this out, play the game of Duality, Karma, Not Knowing, Ego, within this Body and Mind complex that is set up with Survival Instincts, Intellect to guide us on that level playing field, but we have potential to be more than that, that is where Desire comes into play. Desire is as ingrained within Us just as strongly as Survival Instinct, we have two basic forces playing within Us, the Self Preservation Force, and the Force to go beyond this (Desiring process) to |Break any and all Barriers and be completely Free. With Self Preservation we build walls around us, its like a self made prison, we feel safe and secure, but we get uptight and frustrated when this is in place, everyone is seeking to go beyond this sort of living situation by wanting to be more than what they are right now, so we are accumulating Experiences, Money, Success, Power, Sex, this that and the other thing but its on the level of either Body or Mind (Ego/Emotions/Ideologies). For some they somehow realize this is going on either Consciously or Unconsciously, for the somewhat Conscious ones they become interested in Spirituality, and realize what is what, that we are not this Body or Mind or anything that we have Accumulated and the Absolute is what we are, even Intellectually realizing this is transformative, so we find a way to get to that place of Experience.. This is all happening because Possibility or Duality has to be Expressed somewhere, somehow, so we are it here on this Earth, playing this game and working it all out, so that Absolute can Experience itself as Absolute & Ultimate Potential is Realized. Experience is everything here, otherwise why exist and how is Potential expressed/realized? Hope this makes sense:)

Umm again I say this with all humility, I know really nothing of Death because I haven't Died:) But I trust the sources I researched, so from what they say, if You are in a Suffering of sorts at the moment of Death, then that is what You will feel in the afterlife and it could be for a long time.. The only time You don't get that, is when You die a Happy Person, then in afterlife You feel very happy, and to have Union or Liberation, Not like heaven stories from Bible, but non individuality, then that is Muhkti or Dissolution, like a drop in the ocean going back into the ocean, its no longer a drop but merges with the entire ocean, its the same with this.. You are just a Bubble, the lining of the Bubble is Your Karma, you think You are this lining/karma, but Your what is inside the Bubble (LIfe itself), Spiritual practice and its ultimate goal is to burst the bubble completely, not reform it again and become another bubble (reincarnation).. So Suicide although I can see why ppl do it (I have experience with it as a family member died by suicide in 06') does not end the suffering sorry to say!

yes that is why the guru is there to help, who's going to help you when the dmt trip goes nuts and its dangerious.. Sooner or later, no matter if Sadhguru or someone else is the Guru, You have to take responsibility for it yourself, that is what I've learned the most from Sadhguru, my Karma means Life is My Making, not up to him to do it for me...

I wouldn't say that is the case, he is more like a fire and you need warmth, so you get close to the fire for warmth.. With Spirituality, its about living via Experience to your Highest Potential and Possibility, he just helps you get there within this lifetime and not many, like a gps maps app, why not use it rather than getting lost? Unless Your goal is too get lost, but this can be timely and not so much fun especially with Spirituality.. Leo is not fixing his own car, he used psychedelics to get there, that is using something to help him along the way, Yoga is like this as well but its a much safer and stable path...

The goal or aim of practice of Yoga (look up 8 limb yoga it explains it clearly as a system to bring Your to Enlightenment or Realization) is like going up a set of stairs to another level of a house, once You go up its not easy to come down, so its a step by step approach.. How do You get to Understanding and God Realization if you are not even Peaceful within Yourself naturally? From what I see around here via trip reports, yes lots have great realizations of God and all of this, but they go thru hell to get there and then none of it sticks, they have to do it hundreds and hundreds of times, and this is dangerous for sure, risky to say the least. With Yoga its a much safer and stable path, first get Peaceful, no Stress possible in Your Life, then Life will naturally progress and go to wherever it is you want it too go!

What's more Brainless, You all tell Me? Understanding that Only I exist, everyone eles (Yes You reading this) are only a figment of my imagination I am God I can know everything in detail But Health Problems exist in my life, and I can Suffer, and I am very cranky with anyone that doesn't understand me and I look down upon others! I need Money and have to create content to support my Life, to pay bills and for my home.. OR You are Responsible for Your own Life, You own Experience Life is Present only NOW Accept all that is as it is, this allows You to be available to what is next, if your not available then Your a slave to the past... Life is Potential and Possibility, which all of us are equally enabled. Methods are Used to allow this Realization to Happen, Methods are shared to those that are interested in using them, if they don't work drop it and move on! Volunteering is recommended as a certain type of Sadhana, its allows You to bring Devotional aspect of Spirituality into Your Life, You become SelfLess, working and being for something larger than Your own life... Off shoot actions include Hospitals, Schools, Environment Awareness and Events to improve conditions for millions..

Don't put this thing called "Meditation" in one basket, there is really no Meditation, You want to be Meditative as a State of Experience or Ease of Experience, but when it comes to Spiritual practices or Sadhana there are many many varieties, try a few out and see what works for Your makeup and karma, then go with it...

Of course since millions of ppl have tried the practices, some will react this way, doesn't mean it does work or is dangerous, its more about the individual than the practice... Same could be said about psychedelics, just read today a trip report and how it negatively affected the person and that he will not be using it again!!!

This is quite false... I posted interviews with people that has been involved with Isha and Sadhguru in close relationship for long periods of time, one from India that was with him before Isha was formed and while he went by the name Jaggi, the other an American who went for a path similar to Yours in ways, but found him and talks about his ups and down and what the relationship is about.. Your mistaken robots for Devotees, which basically means they are devoid of themselves, in the West ppl think this is dangerous and mindless but it is just a certain way to be, they are not Devotees necessarily to Sadhguru but to the mission and to empowerment to the whole world, they want everyone to experience what they are experiencing, and its totally volunteer based, ppl can come and go as they please, so Sadhguru does not create robots, he has many times said its not about him, its about the individual finding out who they are and being Responsible for it...

Yes I can agree with this language, Paradigm in the way of meaning as a Pattern or Model of sorts (par·a·digm/ˈperəˌdīm/noun1.a typical example or pattern of something; a model."there is a new paradigm for public art in this country").. There is a model of sorts, our existence as we know it here, full of Physicality, Grossness (compared to Subtleness), Duality is all set up for us to have Experience so Absolute can Experience itself, it cannot (as far as I can logically see/figure) do that when in Absolute or Oneness realm.. Just know using language in this way is in no way a great example of explanation, as I've said before we cannot direct discuss or communicate (with English anyways) these topics, its beyond language, duality and logic... we talk around it that is all, but when one shares this way it maybe truth for them but its a story for us once they communicate it here...

Nicely put again:) I am not sure Desire or Will is functioning under a thought system, as it is present in all that we are or what encompasses us as Human Beings, for eg, a baby will automatically want to suckle, needing the breast/nipple for breast milk for food to fulfill the hunger they naturally feel, this is not a thought process, its ingrained within the body, just take this to higher and higher dimensions of what we are and it manifest in similar ways via our other Bodily functions, Mind functions, Emotional functions and Energetic functions, its just there... So Desire is akin to Life being Expressed, it is needed otherwise what is the point of it all.. Depression experienced in someone is when Desire is not there, the will to go on is very subsided and it reflects in many ways, this can be from the Mind, or in Reaction to a Situation or Genetic or Energetic or whatever but it can come up in ppls lives and is at a drastic rate in today's world because we are unconscious of our true nature, we look outside ourselves for Life when Life is within us and we are missing it...

Sadhguru - This is How Shiva Created Multiverse | Mystics of India -How Shiva (No Thing Ness) combined with Shakti (Something Ness/Life Energy) to make Shiva Roar, or Create! - Not one Big Bang (Roars), but multiple Big Bangs or Roars! - This is the 84th incarnation of the Universe - 21 of the past Universes have dissolved but they have left footprints of their existence - out of the 21, 10 are almost non physical in nature, the remaining 11 are mildly physical by which 4 of them are reasonably physical -Shesha means leftovers, this is the foundation upon which Creation begins again

Nicely put! Anything associated with Memory is not it, not God or Absolute! Our Bodies and Mind and Genetics and cells, atom etc are all accumulations, or memory of sorts, that is a certain type of Intelligence, that allows Form and Physicality to exist, for Duality to exist, for Us to be here, and experience life this way and to play the game of Life so that Absolute/God can experience itself, otherwise how to Experience and Know, when in God Realm there is no Experience or way to know, it just is up there! So within Us is this Absolute/God aspect that is our Fundamental nature, but we have to deal with this Body/Mind and Duality complex that is here, we have to strive and find out what it is that makes us what we are, its built into us.. When You see someone wanting to be more than what they are right now, via Power, Success, Recognition, Ambition, Drug use, Spirituality and so forth, that is Desire, Desire is Life in expressed form, it propels us forward to the eventual end we call Enlightenment, or Realization of our True Nature and Being...