Ishanga

@inFlow Don't let anyone dismay you or take away from Your experience, Experience is all You have, its not a dream or imaginary state, its as real for You as it is going to get, so keep up the practice, don't think about it too much, don't cling to it too much, Ego and Karma (residual effect of all action performed in past, body/mind/emotion/energy actions) is still in play, just keep on doing what Your doing, forget God, Non duality and such, enjoy the process. You know Your closer to Truth/Reality when You feel like You are feeling as a normal experience, keep it up!!

Isha Foundation has something called Sadhanapada, its more of a commitment than a 10 or 7 day retreat and its in India lol, but for those really seeking the "Spiritual Life" this is the more intense and comprehensive program I've seen, will post a link to it below... Isha also has an Ashram in Tennessee, they have all sorts of programs going on, I've been there and its really a special place for seekers.. Why a "technique", well if one is not already Meditative in their everyday experience they may need a method to help that along. When one says they don't need a method, then that may be true or untrue, its individual in nature, some are more naturally meditative in their nature, some are less, some can realize Absolute easy, some not so easy, that is why there are Guru's and so many methods, to meet the needs of the many and diversity of Humanity and their individual Karmic makeup. Doing Your "Own" thing, has it worked over the years, is there still suffering present in your life? If there is, then help is needed for sure and doing it on your own isn't working, its like reinventing the wheel and thinking you have done a great thing when the wheel has been around for 6,000 or so years lol!

You are Born with Potential and Possibility! On the Physical and Mental level we all have different potentials and capabilities, but all of us can improve what we have in those areas, I can become more clear minded, better/efficient/effective thinker, more physically fit and flexible, strong and healthy, but not all us will be a Michael Jordon, or Bruce Lee... But even Michael did not do well in Baseball compared to the real pro's and Bruce was no so gracious and wise or able to control his emotions and fears, but they were perfect experts in their chosen field! On the Spiritual Level we are all the same, with same capability and potential, some will get it faster and easier than others (this is Karma in play), but all have the same ability to know Oneness and Completeness.. Most all of us have Desire, we want to be more than we were Yesterday, more Knowledge, more Experiences, More Expression, More Money/Power, More Fun and Love or whatever the Currency, so because of that, You are Spiritual in nature, whether You know of it or not.. The only way to get there in the beginning is too Seek! Be a Seeker on Knowing, not book knowledge, but experiential Knowing, that is the only way, books and videos and Guru's helps for sure, but once You know Experientially, then its there forever! There are a million ways to Seek, some thru Yoga, some thru Psychedelics, some thru the Absolute Knowing that Now is as it is because that is the way it is! Find Your way and You'll know, step by step, don't seek God, seek to know Yourself completely!

@emil1234 People are using different definitions of words, which may be why there is some common disagreements around here. Consciousness can be defined in a couple of ways, your general Awareness, ability to Perceive via the 5 senses, that can be defined as Consciousness.. Consciousness can also mean the fundamental nature of Existence/Creation and what was there before Creation, Grand Intelligence/Brahman/Shiva(that which is not).. In Deep sleep, which is a state, compared to Waking, Dreaming, and Full Realization, one is not perceiving anything via the 5 senses, but everything is still on, everything is being recorded and stored, but in Your subjective experience nothing exists, everything is gone, until you wake up, so in the context, we don't exist in perception terms, subjectively of course, and everything is subjective, you cannot experience anything outside of Yourself... Consciousness on a Grand Scale is still going on, things are being done and undone and everything is Now, Past and Future all at once...

This is not about Obsession with anyone, particularly Sadhguru, its about making Sense! He says it in the simplest of Terms, a child that knows basic language can understand it, that is all, I haven't seen anyone explain it simpler or with as much Clarity, that doesn't take away the need for others to share either, but somethings are as they are... What is Truth, what is Untruth, its the same with what is Reality and what is not Reality, both mean the same things... You can explain it forever and still not Understand it, so Explanations only go so far, but what is Your Experience of it? If Your intruth, as he says, You will be Joyful of Your own nature, that is Truth, because it makes so much sense, everything about You works better when in Joy, compared to being in Stress and Suffering, does anything work well when in Stress and Suffering, the proof in your own body and mind and experiences! Just Realization is all that is Needed!

Wow that is pretty low down the scale, I thought that the Samurai were a bit more spiritually inclined than most military ppl, that thru the mastery of their many skill sets they achieved spiritual awakenings of sorts, but for sure the way the show depicts it they are stuck in tribal wars and traps, war lords and such honor based systems which may be a bit egoic in nature, maybe they had to be to deal with their times and challenges... Good show though, very entertaining and intense!!

LOA comes from an Experience of Lack, which is common nowadays, we're very spoiled lol, we have more comforts and convenience than ever but want more, this is Desiring Process but only in physical/mental arena, you'll never satisfy that need in that arena, have to go beyond it and then one can be unbounded in their experience and no Lacking in anything...

What most ppl think of a Devotee is one that see's other above themselves, better than and such, Sadhguru has said many times not to do this, don't look at him as above, or below, just see him as a tool to use for your own growth. The path of Devotion, which it seem you know little about, is about being Devoid of Self, Selflessness, and it is the fastest way to Realization, but most today cannot do it, they ask too many questions, and are addicited/Identified too strongly with Mind and Intellect...so other methods are needed.. Do some research!! P.S. if what You are saying is true then no need to read or listen to what You are saying as well, why would we, Sadhguru has much more credibility than You and your telling us not too listen to him, lol why listen to You then, what/where is your credibility??

First he has said many many times that he does not offer a teaching, its just a method...What You see on Youtube is not what he is doing, it just marketing, he says this many many times as well, its all "Circus" in his words to get ppl at the least interested in Transforming, otherwise what to do in today's world? He peaks ppl's intellects, their general intelligence, makes them say "Oh maybe I need to take another look at this, at life", that is the spark, then the methods are shared and they work very well for most... Your missing the whole point really, its the same with any skill set, I trained and taught Martial Arts for 30yrs, I went thru all the phases, the brainwashing phase, the "My Sifu is the best phase" and all of that, then I switched systems (I learned Wing Chun), and it blew me away, it was completely different method and skill set, so since then I'm into skill sets, methods, Sadhguru's method works very well, and he speaks very clearly, that is all I am into...

Just pointing out the obvious that is all, I am guilty of it as well:) Lots of Sadhana, did 10yrs of Shambhavi straight everyday, not as much now do to life situation and time constraints, but want to get back into more and more, but sadhana is whatever is available via awareness and realization, for sure the shambhavi and all of the work I put into has helped my tremendously along the way I recommend it to everyone for starting out on this path and long after!

Oh I don't deny that lol, and its good, because since we are only talking "Around" Spirituality, might as well talk with the most sense right? One can talk about everything being imaginary or that everything is real but You have choice, what is the better way to talk, about what is Real or Imaginary, what is Truth or Untruth? He says it the best so I borrow heavily, no problem with that, there is no originality to it, if you think I should invent another path then that for me is a waste of time, why reinvent when proven methods exist... "Now I need to invent a way to carry heavy things around but not have to drop it every 5' because I cannot lift it anymore and have to rest..." Oh the wheel was already invented and a way to put things on a crate for it to be easier to carry things lol, so stupid to have to be original and such things, we just have to use the proven methods and apply them!! I'm here to mostly test my ego, bring it more forward in my awareness and entertainment...

They can't be for now, too much thought momentum is built up, too much karma at play...these are just words and labels, really mean nothing, but if one is identified with it as many here are, even after so called God Realizations under Psychedelics still come back with more and more thoughts, shows they haven't done the ground work, to integrate or dissolve into it...

Yes Totally, now how to integrate it or dissolve into it???

Is mind untruth, or truth? Is Body Untruth or Truth? Is Psychedelic Experience Truth or Untruth? How to Know Truth?

Laying back is a Doing, so is Loving:) That is not No Thing...Impossible to do No Thing while embodied, most impossible, even when motionless, completely silent mind, no thoughts, no desire, no perception or experience, the heart is still beating, lungs breathing, one has to disembodied to be totally No Thing, total loss of individuality, which is fine too:)

Society, is just a word, its not really a living experience for most ppl, so its an imagined things, ppl are functioning within a society at a very low level, its basic stuff, they mostly think about themselves and how to get away with breaking more and more rules/laws and not get caught, its getting out of hand, I see this everyday in Toronto, the exclusiveness ppl feel, like the are entitled and everything is about just them alone, crazy really, and is due to intellectual identification, it divides and separates everything.. Intellect is needed for sure, but we don't need to identify with it at all, just use it to provide basic needs and figure things out then drop it, don't hold on to it so strongly as the be all end all of everything that we have to use within our capabilities!

Everything is already Provided and is there.. Just a simple example we produce more than enough food for everyone on the planet but not everyone is eating, plenty are starving and food goes to waste, this is not Due to the Universe not providing, its Us Human doing stupid things, and being Unconscious in nature, otherwise there is no Lack of Anything, just Abundance! Its all has to do with Realization, not many are Realizing the abundance we have already, there is no need to want to manifest anything, for Us as Individuals we can Realize the Reality of our Existence and create the Experience you want to feel within Yourself at any time, that potential is there but few Realize it, so they live by accident and look outside themselves for things they can manifest or gather easily around them if Realization was in the masses that would be the case, its not so we have what we have!

The problem is your identified with the labels, and your Intellect which is a discretionary tool we use to survive another day, but we've taken it too another level of discretion where we are dividing and separating everything we perceive and based on your belief system identification judge ppl, which is not basing anything on reality.. The only thing you have to judge and discern is that if something/someone is life empowering or non life empowering, not on political, religious, societal ideologies and belief systems which are in the millions on how you can view something nowadays, it causes too much separation and exclusiveness, our problems and challenges will never be solved with this sort of intellectual identification problem!

Celibate Monks being perverted only happens because their experience of life is still body based, they have not gone beyond the body and mind, when they do then they experience something more fantastic than bodily sex orgasms and such body pleasures, that is true Brahmacharya, you are not denying yourself anything, because You have experience life beyond Body and Mind, this is Bliss and that takes away the need to search for simple pleasures...

Well yes if your identified with Body and Mind, but we are not the Body and Mind, both of those are accumulations, what was there before You accumulated anything, that is what You are, I call it Life, when Your intouch with it then You have gone beyond Karma and predestination problems, and Free Will is in your grasp, this is our potential, most ppl are not living anywhere close to their potential and are caught up in their karma trap, conditioning, past/future identification and mind traps..if that is the case in their lives then they are living in predestination and have no Free Will capability and Awareness, Free Will Capability and AWareness is what Being Conscious means!

Real is what You are experiencing Right Now, because all You have is Experience (go into Deep Sleep, Experience for You stops, nothing exists for You then, wake up then everything exist once again), and all there is is NOW moment, Now is all that exists, all we can do is Experience as it is now, and Accept it as it is now, then Your Free from past/memory or future/imagination identity and karma problems...

What I call Top Down method is Absolutist methodology, there is only Absolute, Oneness, Completeness realm... in this way anything impermanent, our body, this universe, this planet and so forth, anything that is ruled by cycles is impermanent and not real, that is how they look at it, and in a way it is true.,but its objective in nature, top level approach, some can do it this way most cannot! The other way is to go by where You are now, it your up and down emotionally, feeling great one day lousy the next, then one has to bring stability to it all, a Foundation has to be built otherwise You will stay the same and nothing will transform in your life, it will be get up, go to work, struggle/suffer it, come home suffer that, and go to sleep and repeat, this is not our Potential and Possibility as Human Beings here on this planet, we can go beyond this survival based sort of living experience and have Deeper Immersion with Life process and be Life itself, but we start from where we are at, we don't discuss God, what is imaginary or not, real or not, and what the purpose of Life is, we just create a stable base, be Peaceful of our own nature no matter what is happening, then go from there...

To Use Suffering as a tool for more Spiritual Growth or Growth in general is can be done, but its risky and unnecessary, some cannot get out of the suffering they feel and can be trapped by it and live their whole lives suffering and even taking their lives.. One can go the path of Bliss, on a scale of 0-10 Peace is 0, 10 is Ecstasy, its a matter of intensity of Experience, but if You are not at Peace naturally within, then your Potential is very limited and won't be experienced or explored... The more Suffering You feel the further away from Truth You are its plain and simple, but the ego luvs it, "Hey Look what I've done and I've gone thru it with Lots of Suffering, look at me look at me.." so crude and stupid!

I would say in today's world generally we have more food security, technology and information than ever before too make life much more comfortable and convenient for the majority, my standard of living is much higher than my grandfathers was for sure, but we get used to it, and there is no profit to be made if everyone is happy and healthy so that is why it is not happening, its the profit, not because it is not possible!

Yes for sure I agree, if they are starving hungry and there is war and lack of basic needs then Bliss is not the way, Spiritual path is not there for them in most ways, although some do get it right off the bat, this the game of it all, we are born with certain karma within our system on many levels, then there is Samsara which can be related to the situations around you, you can control and bypass your own karma, and live now and be very happy no matter what is going on, but living in a war torn suffering atmosphere at the sametime.. Everyone should have the basic needs, but beyond that like the sports cars and luxury lifestyles that some live, it goes over board real quick and in our world today there are a very small amount of ppl living this way, compared to the vast majority just barely making it by even in 1st world countries like Canada where I live, its like AFrica in a small village somewhere for some ppl here, 8-10 ppl living in small apartments like animals in a cage or something...