Ishanga

When You make a claim like You are now, that in and of itself demonstrates Individuality, you do not perceive life as I do, that means I have choice. We all have the same ability, to Perceive life as it is, this is absolute Clarity, with that you will realize that we are all One, but via an Individual Body/Mind complex, thus as you say "Not every perspective of God learns the same way", if all there was was One Absolute, this would not be possible, this disagreement proves Individuality, Individual Free Will and levels of Conscious Awareness exist! Plus this is all word mumbo jumbo, it doesn't mean anything, say what You want, claim what you want, it means nothing unless the experience of the perceiver transforms, for the individual to transform!

My prediction is that all of You that are into this will spend less time here, more time chatting with AI, hours a day, then one day will realize probably close to death bed that it was a waste of time, being so impressed with a talking machine the just regurgitates data in a polite way and can keep an interesting conversation going, but nothing has transformed in your life, you will not be able to go outside and just look at a flower in amazement, no it will have to completely intellectual and conversational, which means its all mind made up stuff and ideology.. Sad days indeed... I chatted for a little bit with the free version of chatgpt4, got bored with it after a half hour, so what, its just reciting what is in a book lol, i realized its just a program trying to appear social, and too keep me online chatting while life slips away... I just use it now for direct practical answers to questions, like safety of a particular vacation spot or reliable cars to look into buying, stuff where it can research it and find results fast...

The "Consciousness Doesn't Exist" argument, or that nothing exists, come from what I term the Top Down methodology, where whatever label you attach to it, Absolute, Consciousness, God, Infinity, Brahman, etc is all there IS, its really a philosophy of Denial, its actually very Stupid, since the fact is your reading this right now, someone started this thread and topic and ppl are discussing it disagreeing, agreeing using material things to do so, things that were invented in a non existing right now past, 50yrs ago this would not be happening, now it is, so it ridiculous to say nothing exist when we are using existing things just to talk/write about it via the instruments of our body and mind, via the information we have read or thru direct experience, how does direct experience happen if nothing exists lol! Just do me a favor, all you that say Nothing Exists, drop a brick on your foot, just do it and report back what happened! You won't do it because you know what will happen, but nothing exists lol!

Excuse me but can you rephrase this, I don't understand, it sounds like mumbo jumbo lol:)

1st most everyone is Slaves to others, they let others control how they feel within themselves, for eg one day you wake up in a good mood, enjoy breakfast and your morning routine, then go outside for a walk and someone cut you off in traffic, or bumps you or says something to You, your good mood is now gone, that is the worst form of slavery. 2nd we are slaves to the dollar and the eat, sleep, work do it all over again way of life, and even the wealthy, they need to be doing something, ultra busy creating this, starting that, to make more $$ or be famous, infamous doing it, because they just can't be still.. For me I want financial freedom, to do what I want, which may be nothing one day or something another day. 3rd we are slaves to technology, comforts and conveniences, just go into an airport or sit on a bus, everyone has their heads down zoned into their phones, it like mass hypnosis and everyone is asleep, especially not cool when you see parents walking their kids outside and doing the same, completely missing life and what it means to be alive. 4th we are slaves to our minds, mind is past/future memory/imagination orientated, but Life exists only Now, so when your strongly identified with Mind as most ppl are, they are not living where life is found, which is the biggest tragedy of all!

Sorry to have to say this too you but this sort of thinking is BS in my book, It nihilism plane and simple, nothing means nothing in your book if you believe in this crap, but if you actually believed that then you wouldn't be posting replies here or posting threads about nothing meaning anything, its hypocritical! There's absolutely a Body and Mind, its just that is not what we are, its what we have to use here on this plane of existence, plane and simple!

This is a two fold process. First You are right, the world in general sucks, and when someone tells You to stop watching or reading the news, that is them telling You to hide from it, which is one way to handle it but the shit is still happening. I see it everyday too, and I live in Canada, but its more like 1st world problems, inconveniences and stupidity all around with is sad in and of itself, and there are tragedies here too on a regular basis, hit and runs, drunk driving, shooting/stabbings, and what is not so good is the news focuses on this stuff to get ratings, that in and of itself is very sad, never mind what is happening in 3rd world situations which is absolutely horrific... I've dropped this idea of "Being the change I want to see in the world" BS, I can change all I want, nothing in society will change of that, mass Enlightenment is not going to happen for a very very long time if ever. But if I do change within myself to experience life as I want to experience it, then that is important for me and no one else, that is the only reason as to why to do it, like they say with addicts, if You want to change change for yourself and no one else, because as You said the World does not care what happens to any of us individually, your family may, you friends may, and if You have some fame they may but it doesn't mean anything in the larger scope of things, famous ppl have the same problems as You and I!

I agree, but the language ppl use, the words used are completely wrong, like Imaginary and non existing. In the East is the concept of Maya, Maya means Illusion, but ppl tend to believe that Maya means nothing exists, this is incorrect, things exist, ppl exist, material/physicality exists, but it doesn't exist as You think it does (most ppl do not recognize the miracle of what is going on, each moment is being created, is perfect in everyway, but we mess it up with ego and wrong perceptions), that is pretty simple words and language anyone can understand, or as You said mental constructs, yes for sure, this is Karma, this is our mind making up stories about things, using memory and imagination and our basic belief system that we unconsciously construct, its all in play.. But many here deny all of this, claim to be somesort of God, or intouch with Infinity but its drug induced, the mind can play many tricky games, and then they come down from the drug, and still have to go thru normal life of getting up for work, dealing with unaware ppl, stupidity everywhere, much better to try to do it naturally and via our own Awareness system that we can activate.. I'm not against psychedelics, I want to try them someday but not as a be all end all

What is it like to fall into Deep Sleep? In a way what you described above is happening every night You go to sleep. but there is a way to be Aware when in deep sleep, this is a Sadhana in and of itself, its practice for Bodily Death, if You can be Aware of the moment btwn wakefulness and Sleep (this is not thinking about it or just mental alertness, that will keep you awake) then when Body Death happens and your Aware of this transition, then they say what your experience is in that place is very different. The Yogis explain it all but its best neither to believe or disbelieve, just live life to the fullest with full Awareness in place while Your here walking around in a Body with a Mind, we'll all experience what happens after that dies...

This is what 95% of the ppl around here DENY the Human Experience, that it even exists lol, but everyday they use their eyes to read posts, and fingers to type in responses via a keyboard and computer internet service... Completely crazy sometimes!!

I feel bad for the younger gen, those in below 40 or so, as the world is going to be a very different place unfortunately in 40yrs, unless a major change in Consciousness happens within the next 5-10yrs, we will not have the same world we have now and have been having for the last 60yrs... Its good advice, but will you be able to take advantage of it when your going to need it?

Do both approaches, end up like Joe and Wim, both love to drink and get drunk and act like 18yrs when they are in their 50's and above.. These sorts of practices, and mindfulness as well, is like driving a car that has a standard transmission and you only drive it in 1st gear, you don't use reverse, you don't use the other 4 or 5 gears ever, and you drive like this for the rest of your driving career...

The Biggest problem is we get trapped in the words, the methods and the path itself. When I taught martial arts, I saw this big time, ppl didn't want to come there to learn how to fight or defend ones self, they came because they got interested in the training itself, the path of sort of how to get the skill set.. So if that is true, then the person leading this, inventor of the method, the Guru/Teacher per say becomes the expert, the ego attaches to this, but ego is false self, like your image in the mirror its a reflection of You, not You... So once the methods and teachings do their job, which is too transform your interior, inner experience, are You still a slave to situations outside of Yourself, or can You master Your response, are you generally Peaceful every moment of every day (or do You like misery?), that is how You know the methods and teachings are working for You.. Forget these stupid words like God, Infinity or Imaginary, these mean nothing if Your depressed and can't get out of bed in the morning, but when Your High on Life, then You conditioning kick in and you go to what You know, these stupid words... Just use this stuff like getting into a car and going to the store, You don't talk about it so much, You just use it and then forget about it...

This language, God, Duality, Infinity and such is ppl trying to sound "Spiritual" but are not, in simple terms it ego manifesting in one's writing and expression, the so called "Spiritual Ego syndrome". In reality there is just You, and the experiences You are having within Yourself, what is the quality of that Experience on a regular basis. When you are in deep sleep, where is this so called God? Nothing exists for YOU when in deep sleep, but your body is still doing its basic functioning, breathing is happening, heart is beating, blood flowing, energy is distributing, maintenance is happening as well, what is controlling all of this? Whatever it is, its the samething that is controlling everything else, what is controlling the spinning of the planet, how did is start in the first place and how did the conditions that allowed it too start come into existence? Explain that then You have Your answer, but for me its just a form of Grand Intelligence, that was created in a split second, it allows (not runs) everything to be as it is, and what makes you stay alive when Your passed out in sleep, If You can find out more of what this is, then Your living at a higher level of existence than most any other life form, with that You will control most everything that is happening within You, and that is the most important thing to happen in Your life because all there really is is what is happening within YOU!

Just imagine if no Spiritual Teaching, No Guru's or Leaders/Teachers, No Religion, No Jesus, Mohammed, ever existed, what would the world look like? Imo, the world today, although we have technology and science which gives us great comforts and conveniences, and allows us to supposedly live longer healthier lives, we are not doing so good! I would say the consciousness level of the planet is generally not very high, but there are probably more conscious ppl on the planet than ever before but the population is at its highest point so I think still the majority of ppl are still wrapped in their own little worlds, concerned about themselves or maybe another person they love or family members, but that is about it.. When I go out in public, which is everyday at my job, I see lots of things, I see public politeness but the exact opposite, I believe one can judge the consciousness level pretty well by observing their driving behaviour, if its bad then they don't give a shit about You or anyone else, if its good then they do, its that simple... I see about 50% of the ppl that are driving around don't give a shit about You or others, another 30% care but are in a rush in that particular situation, and the rest do care or care too much about themselves and safety and hold things up by being too cautious... If we look at all the Wars going on, the political arguments and inability to work together, the corruption in corporations, the plane old greed and lack of concern for others, the Criminal element in the world is nuts, drug addictions are sky high because ppl want to numb their pain, Depression/Anxiety/Mental Health at record lows, this is a direct sign of low consciousness, yeah I meet ppl that seem relatively nice but when push comes to shove are low consciousness level of Awareness.. So this imo is the way it is now, if no teachings and methods for empowering one's self were around, or where never developed to be passed down generation to generation then I think this planet would be a absolute disaster, worse than now, but ppl complain about Guru worship and following someone to closely to be objective, lol, some ppl are Devotee's which I never hear about around here, its all about taking drugs, getting a grand experience, finding "God" or "Infinity" then coming down and thinking You know it all, or nothing exists, everything is Imaginary, there is Only One Absolute nothing else exists, BS like this, once inawhile I will read a post where someone is actually talking about something important, which is the Quality of Your Experience, is it Joyful or Miserable, and methods on how to get that in your life, this comes from using Time Tested methods, so You can get there in this lifetime, not many or not at all in this lifetime, which I find is the most Valuable Information we can have on this earth today because the Earth, not just us Humans, are in big Trouble!

Firstly when it comes to Spirituality words really mean nothing, all the stuff being written here today or the last week, will be replaced with more and more threads, talking back and forth, words being misinterpreted, misused and mistaken! Spirituality is beyond all of these words, so whether You say it or I say it, or anyone says it, ppl can do what they want, if they need to learn a lesson they will, if they have learned the lessons and still want to be a Devotee, who are You to tell them otherwise!! One persons pedestal is Another persons God!

I don't want God, I don't know what that is, other than what ppl have said and the books written about God, which in the end are all but stories to me.. I want Bliss as my foundational Emotional state, I know that all Experience happens within Me, no where else, I know that if I stop all Stress Response, no matter what is happening (via the Accept all that is, Live Now and Respond rather than React methodology) that Peace can be my starting point in this venture, soon after Peace will become more intense and turn into Happiness, Joy then Bliss.. I know that my Body and MInd are just accumulations of sorts, Body via Food that I have eaten, Mind via the data input from my 5 senses, conditioning via my culture/society that I was brought up in and teachings, learning experiences(clinging to memory) and such, and if I can calm all of this down and stop identifying with Body/Mind, I can experience something else, what was there before all of this and have a more high quality experience of Life other than just working, eating, sleeping, sex, drugs, accumulating more experience and whatever else to only find it leave you empty looking outside to stimulate inside experiences and then dying...

Intellectual hogwash language that keeps one in the loop of thinking mind patterns based on date collected and rehashed, means nothing, will get one know where on the path of spirituality, or just trying to get out of bed when they feel like dying inside!!!!!

It may be helpful for those in desperate need of spiritual guidance, but its not the real thing, it not a method to use or a real insight, just regurgitated from data collected and reorganized to appear attractive to ppl that like to talk about spirituality and stay in that intellectual trap of talking, asking questions, gettting answers, pondering then coming up with more questions and getting trapped in that loop...when will the actual realization happen within one that allows them a experience that transforms them for the rest of their lives? I like this forum for entertainment for the most part, it allows me to share on the spiritual level, I don't have that luxury with anyone else in my life, but in the end its a circle go round, real work has to be done by each of us, to find the truth of nature and realize it for ourselves, this addiction to computers, internet, looking outward for answers will only get worse with a relatable AI communicating back to you seeming to be a spiritual guide of sorts, its like having AI friends or partners, you begin to think this is real when its completely fake!

We have animal nature in us for sure I agree, I don't think we "are animals", we are Human we have no limits on how we can experience life, animals do, they can come close to us in certain ways (think tigers in captivity, they can seem pretty nice and emotionally attached to ppl, but can turn on a dime, their inborn instinct is much stronger than ours, our intellects/logical mind takes over from instinct and blocks it much more nowadays), but humans are capable of experiencing all of existence, living like a virtual God within themselves, no other life on this planet can do this... Your still in Survival mode "dude", whether its in the jungle or woods or the corporate board rooms in New York city, they all want more, more of whatever their mind is identified with, power, wealth, fire, wood shelter, women, sex,drugs etc... that is just survival in a tuxedo lol! We are capable of much more than this as human beings!

Yes and this denotes and points out that there is individuality, as well as Oneness and connectedness, so therefore one can be a Ramakrishna themselves in Experience or they can be a Cave Man in experience, its available to anyone, and actually easier today if one wants it enough, but to say all is imaginary, there is no individuality, no need to do anything or change anything is very off course and plane wrong imo!

I have to agree with Leo, there is allot of nonsense talk around here, absolutism talk around here, its all or nothing. You cannot deny a persons experience, just go on the Mental Health, Emotional Issues forum and tell those ppl that what they are feeling is just imagination, it doesn't exist, all there is is all of us as One! Its a bunch of BS, I've had depressive times in my life, even after years of spiritual practice, I've realized it was mostly Ego based sort of depression now after looking back but it was not a pleasant experience let me tell You, but I was able to get myself out of it and now am in a very stable place for the most part .. Life is open to all possibilities, not just God/Oneness Absolutism, one first has to Realize this and have it as an Experience for it to be real, so rather than always bring this up, talk more about relatable things, how to feel empowered, what sorts of ways to get that sort of experience on a consistent basis, Arguing about language differences and things like Consciousness as all, God is infinite, I am God, all oneness, at times it means absolutely nothing and means nothing when the same threads get repeated over and over with the same result, a circle jerk of nothing changes!

Oh Okay, that's cool, its like some doors are opening up which is life at Ease in some ways, which is very cool as well, its the way it should be:)

This is just a sign of some siddhis coming up and playing with You, I get this sometimes too, not with this forum but other things going on, its just a potential awakening within Us, we just can't get too attached to it,,,I am not sure if it is about connectedness, or that we are all the same because it has to do with personal intentions and egoic mind stuffs, that is individual imo...or just a psychic realm being opened up, the Mind itself has many powers that look extraordinary, but are natural when we shut off the thinking process and calm ourselves, and this is just mind level stuff, there is much more is one is really open!! The YT stuff is just us being spied on, what we say here is being spied on and used for some data collection and what our interests are,,,My Wife and I were talking about something the other day and then she saw some ads related to it on her social media feeds, how is that possible one may say, our phones are microphones and everything is being recorded somewhere and used to make someone else rich lol!!

Religion is mostly about Belief nowadays generally speaking, some may have true experiences but it may be illusionary or such, who knows, all I can see of another is how they act and judge based on that, but I try to stay away from judging ppl as much as possible, its egoic in nature and creates division in my experience of life.. Spirituality is the science of directly experiencing the non physical aspect of what we are, my thoughts are non physical, my feelings and memories and such are non physical but they can manifest in physical ways. In Yoga we do not talk about God, and Infinity and such grandiose things, as they can all be imagined and Maya like, so we start from where we are at, I want a constant state of Peace as my foundation, then Bliss then Oneness/Completeness experience, its possible and can be achieved thru using of methods, again like martial arts training ( I use to teach marital arts),l one learns the training method, it physically produces a change in ones bodily response and ability to deliver attacks and defend, its the same with Yoga, you do the practices, learn the philosophy of its teachings, apply it for real in daily life (Live Now, Accept Now, Respond to Now absolutely), then go from there, maybe Enlightenment is more a possibility now for you, or its just a Happier, Healthier, more Intense and connected living Experience.. Some ppl in Spirituality have made it into a Religion for themselves, its more belief than anything, they have not used the methods or opened themselves up in a way that they are receptive to what is available to them via a non intellectual or belief sort of way, they think too much, put on shows of devotion and kindness too much but within themselves they are just a miserable as anyone else living a normal life..