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The time of physical death and the time one gets a new body can be immediate or it can take 500yrs, there is no time in that realm, as if You had no body or mind, how would you feel any sort of time lapse?

No, Actually just study the 5 sheaths theory, it explains it all as to how the body and other dimensions of us are formed, what keeps it all together like a glue is the karmic substance that each of us has, each new life has a certain amount of Karma called prarabdha, this is the Karma that You have to work out within this lifetime, the whole slot of karma is called Sanchita karma.. Remember Karma means the residual result of all the action (body, mind, emotional and energy action) you have accumulated over the various lifetimes you have gone thru (Could be hundreds, thousands or millions, as a human, plant, insect, any life form), this creates the conditioning and tendencies you have that make you unique to everyone else, as well it creates allot of Bondage and keeps You stuck...The karma is what keeps the 5 Sheaths together, all the sheaths cover from what I understand Your bubble of Life, or God, or Absolute that all of us have are fundamentally are, but the Karma is what allows creation, duality and individuality for a human being to happen...

Everything here written, all the posts and threads are conceptual, nothing here is really truth or real, we are all just talking around in circles and not about Real Truthful things, that is the only truth here...

How Shiva Mastered Death | #ShivaLivingDeath Sadhguru explains one aspect of being a yogi, and gives us a process to become a mrityunjaya, a deathless being. He talks about how we are given practice for death when we go into deep sleep every night, most of us are asleep totally, but you can become aware enough that one part of You is always awake, and he talks about there is only Life and More Life, its a dimensional shift, when the body is dropped at Enlightenment a shift in dimensions happens, for some they loose all individuality and merge with the Absolute/God/Brahman, that's it for them, others merge to other sorts of dimensions, and others still choose to come back for more work on this plane, all of it is Life, or what I would label as Possibility, all of it is there, don't pigeon hole Yourselves into "Its only this way and that's it" because then You have created a belief system or conclusion which is not Absolute, rather that is just Human notions using logic and intellect to try to understand and comprehend ...

How Shiva Mastered Death | #ShivaLivingDeath Ep 5 Sadhguru explains one aspect of being a yogi, and gives us a process to become a mrityunjaya, a deathless being.

Yup totally,,, I personally think that the way our society and cultures are set up was designed for this very purpose, to distract us from what our True nature and identity is, and too keep us down and slave like, what I see going on in the world, even in my local community is insane ways of living, and we live in a paradise essentially, everything is provided, other than heavy traffic delays and density of population, everything is good here, but its chaos and suffering everywhere, ppl going crazy on a daily basis shooting ppl, accidents happening, crazy situatons happening steady, just nuts all over the place, so its hard to do in that sort of way in this world we live in, running away to an Ashram is a nice idea right now lol...,

Agreed, not many can do this all at once, so there are steps, systems developed to make this happen over time, the 8 limb yoga system is just what this is, its set up to deal with all of this so the path is done with as little strain and stress as possible, for others it come easy for them, this is dependent on ones karmic substance and make up..

Yes I would agree as far as I can tell, the body and energy system have to be set up properly, random Kundalini awakenings for ppl not prepared is dangerous and causes allot of pain for them, their nervous system is burned up, I think it is rare for most ppl if it happens that they really get Enlighened that they drop the body, the masters like SAdhguru have mastery over it, they either create their own karma consciously or know the tricks of the body and mind/energy systems. When he consecrated the Dylanalinga he almost died, he energy body was pretty well destroyed, he need the aid of others to stay on as he has been,,, At the Ashram in India, the Brahmacharya are held back from what I understand from getting to the point of leaving their bodies, he wants them around on the planet to do work and to balance things out karmically...

Yes I understand logically what You are saying, this is the fastest way, but its not the only way because still someone has to realize it, can one realize it as You say above? If not then what, if they are reading this but still feeling like shit inside everyday, then what? Then doing is required, so again this is all a play on different levels, in Absolute level there is exactly as You write above, no doing, no doer just energy or whatever as it appears... but something has to realize it, if You are in realization of it and I am not then what does it mean? For me it means there is a sense of Individuality at a certain level, maybe this is a mistake on my part in the whole process but its a process until one realize it for themselves, Its no different than when someone says Suffering is a part of this process or a part of Life, that may be so up to a point, and that point is when one is experiencing beyond Suffering then it is no longer needed, the whole path or whatever this is is like this, we all want to I think get to that point of non doing, just beingness and realizing this. If there were no others then what is Leo doing posting vids and creating this forum, if no others exist on some level of Absolute?

This is not a personal judgement on You just saying:) I think ppl are attracted to Your Posts and Non Duality/Absolutist sort of Spirituality is because it doesn't require any work or responsibility on the persons part, which in the end means No Doing is required, its like a lazy mans way to Realization, but there are drawbacks and consequences to it all as there is with anything..Its great to think and understand that "I" does not exist, that nothing has to be done and things are just as they are, lol. Personally I don't understand it or Realize it to be this way but to each their own, the Karma will work its way out regardless:) The other side of Spirituality, like Yoga and Buddhism require Work and Responsibility to make Realization Happen, which some may not be willing to do, that is why there are all sorts of ways to perceive it, view it, understand it and so forth...Karma means "My Life is My making", for me there is Me, Myself and I, but in my experience it is possible to include all others within that Me, Myself and I situation Experientially,, Body and Mind wise there are individual entities existing, but we are not the Body or Mind right:)

Actually the opposite is true, any sort of "Negative" emotion or experience like Depression, Anxiety, Anger, Bitterness, Frustration etc, releases toxic and disempowering chemistry into the body, this weakens Your Body and makes You less enabled, that is why the majority of the population is using meds and living with toxic bodies and minds, they are under constant self created Stress Responses that are releasing Cortisol and other chems that are not healthy for us, but if one is not in constant fight or flight mode, Peace is the natural experience positive life empowering chems are released, serotonin, dopamine, oxytocin, endorphins, etc,, this allows one to have clarity and health as a natural occurrence, with this a Stable Emotional and Mental, Physical baseline is established so the Energy system can ramp up and further possibility and potential in that person can be Realized...

If this is true, what determines how one is feeling, Bliss or Misery, are we just Sailboats in the wind, going by where the wind wants us to go, or are we able to invent a "rudder" and learn to use the power of the wind to direct us where we want to go?? Before my Mom died she suffered Depression, as many ppl do nowadays, it was a constant thing, so i realized then and there that if ppl can feel depressed on a consistent daily basis, they can as well feel Bliss or Happiness on a daily basis, its just with Bliss its more life empowering than depression... If Misery is possible in the Absolute, then Bliss is possible, why are these possibilities available to us, for us to just let it all happen as Absolutes Will or are we able to do that ourselves, all is Possible in the Absolute, the only thing is can we determine how we experience Life, imo Yes we can that is why we are here, its the same argument back and forth.. Ppl label You an Absolutist, or Non Dualist for this reason, that is what is means to be those labels, and its half correct.. Analysing Your posts, which is what happens when we read what others write and make a judgement, I would say Your in a stage of Absolute Acceptance of What is, Sadhguru call this "This moment is Inevitable", nothing can be done about it to change what already is, other than Accepting or not Accepting, with Acceptance Your more available to the possibility of the next moment, with non Acceptance You are not available to it, your trapped and enslaved by the past, that is all. With this its not an intellectual formula to try to figure out, Acceptance has to be natural, as a Realization that Existence as it is right Now (where Life is found!) is just as it is, stressing over it makes things worse...This is one of the steps to realizing that as Human Beings we have Free Will, that is another reason why we are here to work this out in everyday life and live to our highest possibility... Yes these are just words, makes no difference one way or another, but sometimes words do make change or at the least are the start of change...

For me I like to talk Spirituality, since my Wife is not into this stuff, and its a bit entertaining most of the time, lol, sometimes its a irritant too.. I've watched so many videos on Spirituality, lots of Everyone that is out there, especially Sadhguru too, since he is my Guru, but I don't watch much of his stuff anymore, sometimes I will review his Inner Engineering video's for refresher stuff, but I haven't been doing the practices of late since my work burns me out mentally as well as the city I live in sort of drains me in a way, I feel and see the chaos here, and its draining, we could be doing things so much better, but its getting worse imo... I would luv nothing more than too just be physically free of this rat race and to enjoy life, food, nature walks, travel and such and to spend more time with Wifey, but we're too busy at times to do that until vacation time comes...But when I deal with ppl, and I do at my job, I'm naturally good natured with them, patient for the most part and kind, I want all of Us to live better more empowered and Aware Lives in the end, it benefits all of Us if that happens...

That would be painful but one go thru it and not suffer...Anything can happen in life, I'm not saying that pain is avoidable, for sure it can happen, but we don't have to suffer it, and ppl today are suffering their successes, their marriages and children that are healthy and doing the so called right things, and they still suffering, so Humans are capable of suffering most anything, so its never really the situation (unless its war or your about to be tortured or loved one is, then I can see it for sure), its about compulsive reaction, not responding, as a Human Being we have that choice to Respond and Free Will to choose our Experience of any situation...

The point it to Use Sadhguru to get there, he even says this of himself, he wants ppl to use him for their own liberation, so that is why Guru's and Teachers are here, if all of us could do it on our own then we would but most cannot they need assistance, as long as you can see it this way then its fine, when You raise them up on a pedestal then it gets dangerous and disempowering...

Yes... For myself to help understand I've sort of categorized the emotions or states on a Scale from 0-10, 0 is Peace, 10 is Ecstasy, Bliss is 8/9, below 0 is any state of Suffering (Fear, Shame, Anxiety, Depression, etc) so we at the min have to be in a state of 0 to get anywhere on this path... the difference btwn all of the upper 0 to 10 states is just a matter of Intensity, if You raise the intensity of Peace, it turns into Happiness, Happiness turns into Joy, Joy into Bliss. Bliss is the most stable and useful, with Ecstasy, You can go there once inawhile but one cannot function properly when in Ecstatic States, You won't care about anything, family, work, survival when in Ecstasy, so with Bliss you will care but are in a very good place otherwise:)

From my research on it via Sadhguru and others, in Yoga they invented or created the Deities &Yantras they call them, in our language these are just devices to be used to go beyond or as he says to be Liberated, that is the end goal, so you use whatever means it takes to get there, You can Use the God/Deity/Yantra or not use it, but God is not the Goal that is the main thing... You are God, that is true in the sense that You are Both Creator and Creation, Your here to work all of this out, play the game of this life as it is on this Earth and Dual plane, but know within that You are the Creator and a part of it always in connection with it, by saying "Creator" I am not implying that You are creating a dream of existence and that You are the only one here, lol, that's not it, You are here Embodied in Body/Mind complex but this is not You, You are beyond all of this, but Your here playing out this game of Individuality in a Dual realm but can experience Oneness as Your True Nature...

I would call this Bliss, when in a state of High Consciousness, not Love as for most Love is a relational sort of situation btwn You and other, and including other as a part of yourself, ppl can include any and all things not just other ppl as a part of themselves, just look when a Hurricane hits the coast of Florida and ppl lose their homes, they are heart broken when that happens they love their homes its a part of their identity. Bliss is different from this, its what is experienced when one is intouch with Truth/Reality or Consciousness, its not like Your at a party high on Ecstasy or something, its on another level, when in this state then suffering is not possible...this is the whole point or goal of any real Spiritual Path and Journey.. Sat Chit Ananda or Truth (Sat) Consciousness (Chit) Ananda (Bliss) is a simple way to understand what is going on here...

This forum is all about this sort of stuff, God, Infinity, Absolute, Imagination, talk talk talk lol, I don't how ppl get so into it, as it leads to nowhere and the threads repeat themselves over and over...Its good to be practical and just wanting to know how to apply it, that's no downfall!

This is hogwash, You've brought a human emotion to the level of divinity and that is not so, Love is Human as is Happiness or whatever experience You are having, its coming from within You, so it is You creating it, its just a matter of are You doing this consciously or unconsciously that is all...

How does One know they are intouch with Truth, its really easy and not complex, You will be much Happier within Yourself when Your intouch with Truth, if Your really close to it then no suffering will happen within You, yes pain exists, you can still break a leg when Enlightened and feel the pain, but Your in realization that You are not the Body or Mind, so its not as bad as one that is super identified with Body/Mind, its like someone destroying their new lambo they have been saving up for ever, they will suffer that loss because it is them that is destroyed, go beyond that sort of thing and suffering will not happen, therefore You are intouch with Truth, its simple to know,..It seems many here are still suffering, including Leo, so is he intouch with Truth?????

Are You Peaceful or Happy of Your own nature? If Not then forget this idea of "Awakening to God and realizing everything is a Dream" BS, because its all BS in my book, you take a drug it makes You think Your the only one in existence and that everything is a dream is BS, take another drug and it will make You believe in something else, its the f'n drug making you believe all this crap I don't know why ppl buy into it so much... Just make Yourself Peaceful and Blissful by your own nature, then You will enjoy Your family and life situations while here and Embodied on this plane of existence, then You will leave naturally when the time is right, and there will be no stress inbetween,,,

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Well Said.. People around here and in general have to Realize that Happiness is not just some emotion that comes and goes, its the basic Quality of Your Life, and the Foundation for which True Seeking for Truth/Reality can begin! If Your Happiness/Peace is not Stable, You will not find out Your True Potential and Possibility that is inherent in most all People, it is because they live up and down emotional lives and are Slaves to outside situations and ppl, places and things that we as a Species have not reached our True Potential Spiritually much on this planet and because of that and ppl's search for Happiness outside of themselves we are burning up the Planet, causing way too much Suffering in the process.. Find Your Happiness within, then finding Your Potential is Guaranteed!

Karma means we are the makers of our Life! I don't use this "Dream" Terminology, its contradictory, first You are in a Dream and its unreal, but You can still Suffer? If its unreal, why worry or be concerned about Suffering? It makes no sense and lead ppl to stupid ideologies and inner experiences, soon they begin to think they are the "only" one to exist lol... If you master Karma, You will be Free to determine how You Experience this Earthly Life and Life Beyond this Body/Mind/Earth complex, so much so that You can choose to come back again and choose which family you are born into or too completely lose Individuality and merge with Absolute, the choice is there...