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He did, the "I" that comes here as an Appearance, Appearances are just another label of Human, or Physical Reality, that is why we are here, to explore and experience these Appearances.. The Point of it all, its too eventually go beyond this "I" and make it a "We" or "All", while still embodied...

The "Physical Reality" may have a purpose by which is to allow life as we know it on this planet to exist, ruled by the law of physics as we know it to be. But even our modern day science is saying that existence as we know it in this physical form of creation is not the whole picture, dark energy makes up something like 70% of it, and the atom as far as we know is mostly akasha or sort of empty but not empty space, filled with mostly energy fields of some sort. Now the question is why are we here as we are right now? My only explanation is that we are part of the Potentiality that exists in the Absolute, where all Potential and Possibility as well as Oneness and Completeness is, but no individuality which is needed for experience and expression to happen, which as well need a dual karmic existence to be possible too, so we are living that out this Potentiality in this physical realm, with the capability to go beyond our physicality in experience and see reality as one big Whole Connectedness, or at least as far as our Limited Body and Minds will allow...That's my crazy theory to it all lol... In the end I would not call Reality Love, as we are all deciding to make up different definitions of that word, so it makes no sense using it, same with the world God, but using the word Intelligence and saying this is what Reality is makes more sense for me, since we all have a basic understanding of what that means that is common among Us...

The experience of True Reality maybe Love/Bliss, but Reality as You say imo has no purpose, as where does this idea of Purpose come from? It comes from our human mind, a part of reality has purpose (to survive and live another day), but not the totality of it, as what would be the purpose of having Life as we know it, all of its diversity, with most of it suffering in some sort of way (or the ability at all to experience Suffering), and a small minority not suffering at all, what is the purpose of that? In my observations of this world today its only getting worse not better... I'd rather look at Reality as a sort of grand Intelligence, that is the only word I can find I can use, and we here on this planet as we are as Human Beings are just higher potentialities of being able to experience the Reality in a sort of Totality, most are limited for sure via their Bodies and Mind complexes and attachments to them, but we have over the thousands of years found ways to go beyond these limitations and experience Reality as it is, at least for a limited few, but from what I have researched most all of us are capable of it, if we go beyond our many attachments and unconsciousness...

I don't know if Tolle is this extreme, like I don't think he is saying by Living Now everything is perfect. Its just a tool to use, and it is the Reality that NOW is all there is, but of course as Human Beings we have great imaginations (false future in a way) and can suffer immensely what doesn't exist which is this so called "Future" which is really just your imagination running wild, but if You know You are going to be crucified then Yeah you will have fear and dread it, but most ppl today are not in this situation, they are not about to be tortured or killed, and they are still suffering what doesn't exist a great deal, for these types the teaching of the "NOW" is important and needed imo...

I would say Tolle and many others, are working on the level of Intellect, thoughts and thinking and understanding in that way, its basic stuff, and in this day and age more than likely is needed since ppl are addicted to thinking, thoughts, ideas and intellect, so its a starting point only, realizing You have this thing we call "Ego" and its mechanics and workings works on a basic level, then one can go further and work via the energy system and make real transformation... Tolle and others have no method for this, its mostly just talk and writing books and such, sooner or later is that is not working and one doesn't just have a realization (which can happen), then a method of sorts has to be incorporated...

I think the "Perspectives" work but on a very subtle level, I remember reading Tolle's "New Earth" which imo is all about the Ego, it did something for me most immediately, and once that happened you can't go back, that doesn't mean I have total control over the ego but there is an awareness of it now and that in and of itself is empowering.. Same with Acceptance, most suffering is a result of not Accepting, or resisting What Is, so its a process of sorts, one has to work on it, baby steps per say, just Accept small things happening then work on bigger things, Accept Your stuck in traffic, Accept someone has died or left You, with Acceptance it is not about this is what I want, its just Accepting, for me this is a stress stopper, how can stress or anger, bitterness, frustration, suffering happen when Your in Acceptance, so it helps on that level imo... For sure we need systems to help us with all this stuff, that is why Yoga and other Eastern systems are here to do just that, we just have to apply it in our lives as we see fit and to what willingness we are going to allow it too function..

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What is so good about having an experience that makes You think Child Abuse is okay??? This is an Awakening??

Yes, some could, most cannot because their not very Conscious/Aware, which is a huge problem in and of itself, so its all a matter of that, how Conscious/Aware one is of their true nature, then most all identities drop, unless You Consciously want to adapt an Identity of sorts to play the game of life, but with this one can drop it in an instant, most ppl today are creating Unconscious Identities, they are not Aware of it, or in Perception of it, and therefore cannot drop it at will, so this is a form of slavery and taps into our Ego and other situations that bind us, this is all Karma in play, Karma is the residual effects of all the actions that are happening. Action is in 4 areas of our life generally, Body, Mind, Emotions and Energy actions, if Your Aware 100% of all the actions taking place in those 4 areas then Your Destiny is in Your hands, if not then your living by accident mostly...Spirituality or Beingness is about becoming more Aware in all these areas and then creating Your own Experience at Will, if its Bliss You want then You can have it, if its Misery You want you can have it, or whatever else in-between. imo this is what it basically means to be Human... If You choose the be in Bliss/Love as your Base Experience, then You can walk into any culture or situation, enjoy it fully and then walk away from it and not be drawn back or wanting to revisit it, needing it to make an experience happen or wanting to experience something since You already have that within You. But its still nice to taste an ice cream cone, or visit a place and enjoy the culture, it depends on what someone wants to do, how they want to play this game of life, some want to be alone, others want to go out and see the world...

It depends on how Aware You are, the Intensity of Your Awareness, only if the entire planet was Lifeless, no Humans, no Animals, no plant or tree life, no insects, fish, etc, then You would be "Totally" alone, but if no Humans only were not around but all other life was here, and you were highly Aware, then it would be okay in my book... Being "Addicted" to anything is no so good, especially this modern life, its not very healthy for us and all I see everyday out in the world is ppl with their heads down in their phones, and ppl searching for outside fulfilment but I also see that in this country I live in everything is here already provided and in basic terms its a paradise of sorts, we have freedom of movement, everything is provided and there, so if this is so why are more mental health problems arising? No so good imo...

My Understanding of what You said above is solved by what Sadhguru is sharing (since You asked "How do we love beyond identity?"), one can go into any culture and enjoy it and be a part of it fully, enjoying and appreciating it immensely then leave it without a feeling of longing or needing to go back, or chasing the experience of it, which happens allot today.. This is what it means in basic form to be Human, we establish our Beingness, which is what he said in the video using colors as an analogy, it is not that I want to be Colorless, it is that I want to experience all Colors and not be totally captured by any one of them... Today ppl are identified with most everything that touches them, which in the end creates fragmented Human Beings that have no idea of who or what they are but they are going around and living a life, the result of that is what we have today, a very Crazy World imo..

This is a good short video by Sadhguru on Vairagya, which means being "Transparent", the idea is that You establish within Yourself Your Beingness, Your Experience of Life is determined by You and You alone, You identify with basically nothing, or with the Cosmos, this means that You go thru life untouched, in the video he uses the analogy of Colors, being Colorless, if You can do this then You are available to the Potentials in life and not stuck in a box limited by the identities You have picked up via the society/culture You live in... Vairagya to me is the basis of all Spiritual practices and has to be established first...

This is True in most cases, not all though, like I said I did plenty of research on Chinese Martial Arts, and allot of others, I know for the most part who's who in Chinese Martial Arts, and Ralston's name never came up, but like I have been saying he does have skills for sure, if he trained allot and with the Masters he said he has then he has to have skills... and I agree that there are plenty of unknowns out there that are top level as well, when Bruce Lee was alive I bet there were a few unknowns at his level, but unknown and probably still today, my own 1st Sifu was an unknown, living in an isolated small town in Canada, but trained like a motherfucker and proved his skills a few times, but is basically unknown, he teaches and has schools but isn't high profile type person...

I'm telling You, I have history in this stuff, Chinese Martial Arts specifically, since the late 80's, researched a ton of it, specialized in Wing Chun, am telling You I've never heard of Ralston since I came to this forum, if he was so great I would have heard of him... No doubt he has skills, I've heard of his teachers and researched the styles he has learned, plenty of Americans went overseas to learn from these Masters, I just think he's a great promoter of himself in certain circles, not the main stream martial arts otherwise I would have heard of him before coming here...

You haven't researched enough, not going to tell You where to look or what the answer is, One has to find it for themselves for it too have value..

The Root of consciousness is Stillness and Silence, just like motion is routed in how Still you are, and Sound is rooted in Silence... Darkness is the root of Light, as there is more Darkness in the Universe than Light..

If Your trying to imply that we as a Human Race are not living up to our Potential I am with You all the way, I'm mostly talking about Potential, we can within Ourselves be very connected and One with most every living thing on the planet, at least for moments in time, if You want to live a regular life You cannot be in the experience and function, better to isolate in a cave and do it there, but You can be intouch with that sort of Experience and still function, and because of that your Behaviour and Outlook on Life is Transformed, You no longer use but give to all life as much as You can, Your naturally Blissful of Your own nature, no need to look for it outside Yourself, but you will probably still enjoy an Ice cream cone too, no problem with that..

What You guys are missing is the Experiential aspect of it. If I say You exist, then I say in my imagination but if I die then Your Dead, this is within MY EXPERIENCE only, it doesn't mean in objective Reality that You all are actually Dead , so the Experiential aspect is big time being overlooked here, if you add that one word in then it makes more sense, because all of our experience is only happening in one place, my experience only happens within ME, yours with YOU, if I die then in my Experience Your not longer here, when I am in deep sleep all the world disappears, but when I awake it reappears, all of this is in the context of Experience!

You might like to check this out, this Senior Couple have a Youtube page, they are Jamaican but they live in Hamilton which is just an hour south of Toronto, the Lady does cooking videos, but they do prank videos as well, this one is from a couple of years ago, super funny, the reactions are priceless...

The problem is I think, is that ppl are looking to Grand, the may have had Grand experiences via Sadhana practices or psychedelics and they cling to it, or something about it doesn't leave their immediate mind consciousness, like an obsession, so they neglect the little things that really make up life, the sun rising, the beauty of the trees and parks, the smile on someones face that is passing by you, this is all nothing compared to the "Grand" Experience.. Its funny, I read what these types say, then they start a thread about having social anxiety and/or addicted to a drug or situation, lol..This is for sure not a stable way to find Reality and Truth imo...

I think about this all the time lol. and I think I know why but I'll keep that too myself:)

Yes exactly the crazy that is right infront of ppl but they won't or can't see it because of belief blinding them, via experiential belief or otherwise, that I am the only one existing, but can help "others" when they realize the same thing, lol, its the exact same as crazy you see in hosptials! The arrogance around here is getting very apparent lately!!

No this is not what Seeking is about, Seeking is knowing "I do not Know", but our nature is too know, so You seek to Know. Yes everything that we "want" is already there waiting for Us to find it, but is it really in Your experience, if Your depressed all the time, where is this Bliss? You have to seek it, you have to find a way to experience it, that is partially why we have the ability to Experience it can guide us, intuition is a sort of Experience, use it wisely and you will find it what you want.. Yes Infinity has all the emotions and states included, what ppl around her forget is that we also have Free Will, or the Ability to Respond, and choose which emotion or state we want to be in, this is partially what it means to be Human, we are not like sail boats in the lake ruled by the wind and what direction it wants us to go, we can develop rudders to allow us to direct the boat where we want it too go, it is the same for our life direction and destiny, as Human Beings we should be 100% in control of this aspect of our Lives...

My post was concerning Human world, Human nature...In the Animal world there is lots of pain, not as much suffering, there is a difference for sure, pain is a necessity for all life, its like a guide or sorts, in the Animal world because of their natural nature which is limited they do what they have to do to survive, eat one another and such, for Humans it is different, we are not limited in our nature, there is not bottom or top line like in the animal world, we can live lke animals and/or below animal nature or way way above it, that is our choice, but very few are striving for this, most humans still live in animal sort of nature accumulating more everyday searching outside themselves for fulfilment, doesn't matter if your accumulating wood for the fire or another piece of jewellery its looking outside for fulfilment... One of the aspects of what it means to be Human is the we have choice given to us, choice to experience life within ourselves as we choose it to be, choose of how to live our outside lives as we choose it too be, choice is one of our capabilities, this is not available for most other life forms...we are the top of the heap in this way...

This is why it is so wrong to say that God or Reality/Existence/Absolute is Love, it is Possibility, that can Include Love and Hate and everything in between, when one goes to one side of it and says this is it, then it is as You all say around here Illusion and/or Imaginary. People will declare these things I think because it is lacking in their own life, what ppl want is what they are lacking, This is where Free Will comes into play, since we Humans are the only life forms on this planet and in the universe as far as we know, that has enough Intelligence, Awareness and Capability to be able to determine within themselves how intouch with Reality and Truth they want to be.. Those atrocities that happened in Nankin, they happened because those Humans were NOT intouch with Truth and Reality, if they were the whole war would not have happened, all suffering and atrocities happen because Humans are not intouch with Truth... Yes existence is all about the Spectrum of Possibilities, on that Spectrum is the Good and Bad, combined with that is our Free Will that we have to seek out via Awareness of what this Truth is all about, if you don't do this then the Atrocities will continue to happen as they are right this very day on this planet we call Home!