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Thanks! A useful Sadhana or Spiritual Practice is that throughout the Day, no matter what You are doing, working or relaxing, observe Your Mind and Ego, how it is always Judging and Making Conclusions, I do this all the time, I watch it label this or that person walking by, cursing the person cutting me off in traffic, little things like this that happen a thousand times a day, after awhile a space is created btwn You and this Ego/Mind complex and that is Empowering, its like turning down the volume on music or sound you don't want to hear anymore, it gives You a sense of Freedom from the Monkey Mind...

Physical Life for sure involves allot of Pain, Suffering is optional, as Suffering is mostly of the Mind, of Resistance and of Identification.. Pain of the Body for sure will happen, as I've gotten older, although I've never really had a major accident, because of my physical activities I have minor pain almost everyday, hip flexors get tight. and lower back issues, but I stretch everyday and do maintenance of it everyday and watch my activity closely, but there is pain at times, I've gotten use to it. We should use it as a Spiritual Practice, Spiritual meaning that aspect of You that is Non Physical in Nature, if You can have a Space btwn what is You and What is Not You, then the Pain will not cause Suffering, there is a difference btwn the Two...

Ok so Now we have You on Record saying "Yes the dream seems real but for a discussion like this, I was just pointing to the ultimate", for me this statement means there are levels, or dimensions to it, there is the "Ultimate" or "Absolute" or "God" then there is something else, many around here like to call it a "Dream or Imaginary", I don't think those words fit what is really going on, as in reality dreams seem pretty real and so is imagination, the brain does not know the difference btwn what is vividly imagined (Or dreamed up) and real, real and imaginary are very subjective, but the point I am trying to make it that there are levels to Reality, there is Absolute and then there is something below or other than Absolute.. Its easy to say when we are comfortable and sitting behind screens that being kidnapped by a cartel just is what it is, but if it happened to You the experience of it would be very very REAL, same with any other situation, someone losing a child, winning the lottery or having a baby and so forth, its all REAl on this level of Existence, maybe not on the Absolute level since there is no Individuality or way to have an Experience from my limited understanding of it, here on Earth we have Individuality present, duality is present, karma is here, not there...and you need those things to have Experience, knowing, not knowing and all the shit that is possible...

Those are two ways for sure, dis identifying is also a way, dropping all Your conscious/unconscious beliefs, living in the NOW, Accepting all that is as it Is, learning how to Breath right, Sit right, Think right, Eat right, many ways to do it, getting Yourself to a place of natural Peace or Bliss, this gives You great Clarity, when Your looking outside of Yourself for Fulfilment, that makes You Blind I think...

Purpose doesn't come from Absolute/God, the only thing that comes from that is Potential/Possibility, we are here to work out this thing we call "Purpose" which comes from out Intellect and Mind creating so many complexities to everything. Purpose can be wonderful and horrible, we have many examples in the world of ppl with a sense of Purpose doing wonderful and horrible things/actions, and its still going on today, so there are somethings that have to be worked out before one comes to a point of having a "Purpose", because we as Humans have allot of Power available to Us today, compared to yester years, in our own individual lives and our lives as a whole.. Yes, Eventually after one has acquired and the need to be more has been done via the Physical, the person should Transcend to the Mental, then Energetic and then Non Physical aspect of Who They Are in this regard I would say. Many Ppl have gotten stupidly rich, so much so that they can't spend it all, and in their trying to spend it they realize their Happiness and Desire is not settled by the spending, then they go for Power and Control, the same happens there too, they Try Drugs and it probably destroys their lives, so as we age we naturally lose certain things, this is there for Us to realize that Life is not Found in "Things" or Achievements, Accolades. Success and even in Friends and Family, when one gets to this point its natures way of making Us more Spiritually Minded and Aware, it should awaken our Desire to Seek the Answers, this is why we have the Eastern Spiritual Systems of Yoga, Buddhism, Daoism and so forth so we have a way to Awaken to our True Nature and the End of Purpose or Desire driven Lives...

I would say because in the Absolute/God realm everything just IS, its Absolute, its ONE, its ALL, everything is included and inclusive. What is going here on Earth in regards to all Life especially Humans, it is not this way on some levels, yes all is provided for Us here to have Everything we need to Survive and Thrive, has anything we gained not come from this Earth? Our Bodies comes from this Earth via our Food, the only thing that does not come from this Earth is How we are Within Ourselves, our Karmic Substance (previous Lives residual effect of all the actions we took, could be 100's to 1000's of lives as a plant, human, animal...) and living in a Dual Material World but with endless Desire and seeming Purpose coming up at all opportunities (Achieve a Goal, you want to Achieve another Goal topping the previous one, this is Desire process). Desire is the same as Life, its a progression to Having and Being more than what You are right now, this in the end if You follow it too its final conclusion leads us to complete Liberation and going back to the Absolute, losing all Individuality and ability to experience as we do here... In Simple terms it is Life (Life=Absolute/God) being able to experience itself as Life and coming full circle thru it all, which does not happen in the Absolute realm imho:)

Yes but I do not know if its a specific group of ppl or organizations, I think it is just a system of oppression and dumbing down of society in general that has been going on for a very long time and now is just the normal ways of doing things (eg politicians lying obsessively to keep their position of power and prestige) , this keep the masses down and makes us cogs in wheels to keep the industry running and the elite getting more money and power, but I don't think it is centralized or anything like that.. We as a general society are very sick and basically insane, but when the majority is like this then it appears as normal. We've created so many different ways of Suffering, not just for Humans but for the whole planet, it quite obvious that this is a manufactured thing and not just totally a natural progression over the millions of years of evolution..

This again references different Levels of Reality and Understanding/Perception and Awareness.. On the Absolute or God Level there is only that, within that contains All Possibility, but no individuality is there directly, but Potential is there within Absolute/God level, but when You filter it down to our level here on Earth, there is many "form" of Life (Life=God/Absolute), with Life being the basic foundation of it all, but thru manifestation/creation many "Form" arise from this foundation, so on this level there is no Solipsism, but lots of diversity of Life and forms, for us as Humans we have exclusive subjective Experience, all Experience is within one place, within You, but You can Experience Everything as a Part of Yourself, that give You a God/Absolute Experience, but that is Subjective, Objectively on this level there are many, in the God/Absolute level there is only ONE!

Its Better to Have Clarity in Life than Positive/Negative Thinking or Feelings, with the later Your too susceptible to emotional ups and downs, its like walking around in a circle thinking Your getting somewhere.. Clarity gives You Ease, Ease is not about having an "Easy" Life, its about avoiding hurdles that have already been dealt with over time, many ppl are stressing out about situations that have been around for a very long time and have been dealt with in empowering ways, but ppl still stress out which puts one in a negative emotional pattern and they become less Empowered over all.. The common thinking is that overcoming Challenges and Problems builds up some sort of wisdom and toughness, but as we can see in our society, there is too much of this going on, at every corner ppl are facing too many challenges, where I live in Toronto, ppl have tough days at work then they have to get home thru the chaos of a transportation system that is not very good, and hiway/road system that is so busy there is always delays and traffic jams, so at every corner ppl are getting stressed out this is no good overall. With Clarity, one can avoid stress and challenges, come to a point in Life where the basics of Life are taken care of with Ease, then they can pursue higher purposes in Life and live up to our natural Potential...

Leo is on to something on a Deeper level.. Meaning is way more than words can express via explanations of sorts, someone can give meaning to something You may think is a piece of shit, so its all Subjective for sure, it is just many ppl may think the same as You, so one may look at this scenerio and believe that if many ppl think this one thing/act has Meaning that it must be so, this is sheep mentality, many ppl think a certain team winning a certain game or series has Meaning when in reality it is not, they have just given it meaning because they are Lacking inside, just really look at it, ppl are so into certain sports teams and events that if their team of choice wins they absolutely freak out like they've won the 100million $$ lottery or something, I could never understand this...This is just one example, there are many like this, Sheep mentality and understanding.. Meaning in regards to something or someone just means that there is an very High Intensity Feeling towards it in your Subjective Experience, I used to have very high Intensity Feelings towards Xmas morning, I couldn't wait till Xmas morning, opening presents (most of which I already knew I was going to get), playing with them for endless hrs right afterwards, it was rewarding as Hell, then I grew up and the focus shifted to other things I gave my Intense focus too, it should shift over the span of a lifetime, to eventually becoming Intense about Why am I here, What is this all about, What is the Purpose of it All, these sorts of Intense Questions cause one to Seek Answers, first from outside of themselves, then hopefully from Within themselves as this is the only place You will find the True Answers to these questions..

Stillness Sadhana || How to be intense and Relaxed || SADHGURU AND SADHANA Sadhguru explains the significance of stillness in detail and shares a very powerful practice to be in absolute stillness at the same time to be phenomenally dynamic..

@Javfly33 The only problem I have with what You said is the use of the terms imagination and Dream, otherwise it sounds good.. But the question of "Why Creation", why is there this sort of Reality, how is entanglement on our part or God's part possible. I think it is all part of an Possibility Equation, if God is All, All=Possibility then that leads to Us being here as we are, with ingrained ability to have an Ego which causes us to have a sense of Individuality and Fear, Separation from God, which is needed, otherwise without this ability no Experience is Possible hence no reality here as we normally know it...

Desire is Synonymous with Life, you wanting no Desire is just One Big Desire, once You come here as Life form, especially as a Human, You cannot deny Desire, try it and then really look at it, in the end its a Desire. You want to be More than what You are right now, no difference if You go to the Bar, the Church, the Ashram or the Psychedelic store and go for a trip, all of You/Us want to be more than what we are right now, that is Desire, and its given to us as a pre Instinct before the Survival Instinct, it is just that it doesn't come to our Awareness until Survival is taken care of, no other life form on this planet has this within them.. You are right, you cannot serve two masters, if You serve the Survival Master, Accumulating more of everything, food, sex, drugs, knowledge, expression, experience, money, power, whatever You currency is, then You will stay a little Human, to become a Big Human then You have to go the way of Desire to its ultimate conclusion, that is to go beyond Your Body and Mind complexes, and expand endlessly.. There are a Million ways to do this, but this is the Ultimate goal for Us, anything less than this is a life not living up to its Potential...

The present Moment is all that exists, not as a thought or intellectual thinking process, because thought and thinking are mind based and mind is past/future memory/imagination focused, so when You are out of Your Mind, then all there is is NOW, and all Life is really only NOW.. If You were to travel back in time to Your High School grad or any other event, it would happen only in this present moment, same if You go into the future...We are so Mind based we cannot realize it, so the solution is too drop all thoughts of knowing and identification, then its right there...

The Absolute provides only two things, Potential and Possibility, the Human here on this planet is most enabled to Act on this Potential and Possibility, the Absolute has no "perspective" because it has no Individuality or ability to have perspective, that is given to us as Human Beings, again this is why we are here, to work this out.. Absolute, Life, God, Brahman, is all about Oneness, which is about ALL, ALL includes everything, everything includes Possibility and Potential, so that is why we exist, why duality/karma exists, physicality exist, expression and experience exist, if those things don't exist, no perspective is possible, therefore the Absolute has no perspective, it only offers us Potential and Possibility..

I still think this sort of Teaching is what I call Top Level Down, its coming from the POV of the Absolute, its ppl that have reached such a high level of Conscious Awareness or Enlightenment, that all they see or perceive and experience is "God" or Absolute Life everywhere, and in the end this is a Great Way to Experience Life, but on other levels this is not so good, the idea that Nothing is wrong, that everything is right the way it is, is not so, suffering is not the way things should be, suffering is no good for Human Life to be Empowered or progress to what Robert is alluding too, so when Suffering is present then something has to be done, or the suffering will continue.. So what is the point of it all, I think the point of it all is what I have been preaching here for the last little bit, that we as Humans have to go within Ourselves and find our highest possiblity and potential, its what Robert is talking about, and that takes Striving and Seeking, its not given to us, and until that happens, shit will happen in the world that is no so good, and things are getting worse by the day, so that is the path, we have to make things better by each us looking within and finding what Robert is talking about, that is what the Spiritual Path is about, its not about letting things be as they are and letting suffering to continue which is what will happen if nothing is done about it..

The problem with using the word "Good" is that in many cases it is relative as to what is "Good", for Vladimir Putin taking Ukraine under his absolute control is good, but for Ukrainians that happening is Bad, so in that sense it is relative, but on another level You are right, God or Life, is all about Harmony and Balance and Giving, it is just as Humans we have individuality and independent minds and thoughts and such, so that is the whole point of Humans being here, we have Free Will, an ability to be Highly Aware and Conscious and we are very complex Beings and Pieces of Life, without Consciousness we are just like every other life, focused on basic survival and accumulation and fulfilment of our needs and wants, but we can go and live way beyond this, whereas most all the other life form cannot, so that is what makes us unique and the peak of evolution on this planet, that is if we are highly Aware and Conscious, most ppl are not imo...

Drop a Brick on your foot, see how real it is...Experience is real, the body is real, the mind is real, it is just that it is not what we think it is, that is Maya, Maya does not mean things do not exist, things exist, just not as we perceive it too be at moments in time... With communication as we are doing it here, this is all conceptual, but my Mother was real, maybe I was viewing/perceiving her thru filtered senses, but she was real as was Yours, and so forth, Real is relative and subjective, your truth is real to You, but a story to me, it is something along those lines... This idea that there is only You, and the rest of Us are "Imaginary dreams" is bullocks, I'm as real as You, and so is everyone else, we live on a Dual world, and are given Free Will we just have to find it and use it and come to realize our Truest Potential...

The time of physical death and the time one gets a new body can be immediate or it can take 500yrs, there is no time in that realm, as if You had no body or mind, how would you feel any sort of time lapse?

No, Actually just study the 5 sheaths theory, it explains it all as to how the body and other dimensions of us are formed, what keeps it all together like a glue is the karmic substance that each of us has, each new life has a certain amount of Karma called prarabdha, this is the Karma that You have to work out within this lifetime, the whole slot of karma is called Sanchita karma.. Remember Karma means the residual result of all the action (body, mind, emotional and energy action) you have accumulated over the various lifetimes you have gone thru (Could be hundreds, thousands or millions, as a human, plant, insect, any life form), this creates the conditioning and tendencies you have that make you unique to everyone else, as well it creates allot of Bondage and keeps You stuck...The karma is what keeps the 5 Sheaths together, all the sheaths cover from what I understand Your bubble of Life, or God, or Absolute that all of us have are fundamentally are, but the Karma is what allows creation, duality and individuality for a human being to happen...

Everything here written, all the posts and threads are conceptual, nothing here is really truth or real, we are all just talking around in circles and not about Real Truthful things, that is the only truth here...

How Shiva Mastered Death | #ShivaLivingDeath Sadhguru explains one aspect of being a yogi, and gives us a process to become a mrityunjaya, a deathless being. He talks about how we are given practice for death when we go into deep sleep every night, most of us are asleep totally, but you can become aware enough that one part of You is always awake, and he talks about there is only Life and More Life, its a dimensional shift, when the body is dropped at Enlightenment a shift in dimensions happens, for some they loose all individuality and merge with the Absolute/God/Brahman, that's it for them, others merge to other sorts of dimensions, and others still choose to come back for more work on this plane, all of it is Life, or what I would label as Possibility, all of it is there, don't pigeon hole Yourselves into "Its only this way and that's it" because then You have created a belief system or conclusion which is not Absolute, rather that is just Human notions using logic and intellect to try to understand and comprehend ...

How Shiva Mastered Death | #ShivaLivingDeath Ep 5 Sadhguru explains one aspect of being a yogi, and gives us a process to become a mrityunjaya, a deathless being.

Yup totally,,, I personally think that the way our society and cultures are set up was designed for this very purpose, to distract us from what our True nature and identity is, and too keep us down and slave like, what I see going on in the world, even in my local community is insane ways of living, and we live in a paradise essentially, everything is provided, other than heavy traffic delays and density of population, everything is good here, but its chaos and suffering everywhere, ppl going crazy on a daily basis shooting ppl, accidents happening, crazy situatons happening steady, just nuts all over the place, so its hard to do in that sort of way in this world we live in, running away to an Ashram is a nice idea right now lol...,

Agreed, not many can do this all at once, so there are steps, systems developed to make this happen over time, the 8 limb yoga system is just what this is, its set up to deal with all of this so the path is done with as little strain and stress as possible, for others it come easy for them, this is dependent on ones karmic substance and make up..