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Just Learned something new! More teachings of the Mechanics of Life... Devi means Space, that holds things in place, like particles, atoms and everything in existence. Its describe as Feminine, Feminine is not Female, its not of the Body, its the Nature of Things, as compared to Masculine.. Once Survival/Masculine is taken care of, then Feminine aspects will arise more in a Society and On the Planet!

If Your Interested in Sadhguru's Inner Engineering course, this is a mini talk about it, even though the video is titled Karma, as it relates to his book on Karma, as he talks it reminded me of what he talked about during the 7 online or in person sessions he talks about basic Life Outlooks, and little things we can do everyday to help us become More Aware and in Touch with Life process and Enhancing our own Experience with Life, which is allows us to explore More Possibility and Potential, which is the whole purpose of Human Life compared to other Life forms..

This language of Social or Mental Constructs, ppl that use it are basically too lazy to do the work to find out the Reality of it, so they use these sorts of words to delegate anything anyone says to a low level, makes them feel good and superior... Someone living the Life of their Dreams, or someone Suffering in a hell on Earth, its a mental construct, lol, this is narcissism at its highest level!

Just because the teachings You've been exposed to, or You own inquiry hasn't given You the answers or knowing, doesn't mean the answers don't exist. People have for thousands of Years been explore the nature of Reality, on all levels that it can be explored, this new age non dualism is exactly that NEW, its too simple, too low level, it has it use for sure, it may be a beginning way to start the process, realizing that all is One, that I am One with Everything, but it has to go beyond just an idea or intellectual knowing, it has to be Experiential, and that gets down to the question What is Experiencing! The answers come from Within, the methods just allow us to find those Answers within, ppl get too fixated on the Method and forget what it is all about. This is not about having an Ideology, following anyone in particular or anything of that sort. Existence is about Potential, one potential is non duality, its a start, but its not the complete Potential if there is one, but we as Humans are the only Life "Form" that can explore it since we have the greatest capacity to Experience.. The Story or Appearance or Mental Construct has to be Experienced otherwise it does not exist nor does the Potential of it..

@Princess Arabia This is the problem with the Teaching and what I have been telling You for a long time. The teaching, You, say everything is Appearance or its a mental construction of somesort, this is a lazy way excuse of sorts, it basically means nothing means anything, all there is is absolute and such things.. The teaching is half right, its not a complete teaching, its a certain Potential (Yes I know that is a concept, but so is all of what You said!!!, and yes I know you will agree with that, but there is still this teaching to deal with), but its not the Complete Potential ( I know another concept or mental construction). Once again we are here on this forum communicating, everything is a concept here, but if we are going to play this game of understanding one another, then we have to be precise and say what we mean to say and if we disagree then so be it, but that sort of teaching is incomplete, its completely Absolute level based, but without the realization that You still have a Body and Mind to deal with.. Why does Sunny have a Youtube page, if nothing exists, then whom is he making video's for? Plus what he says has been said thousands of times before by others that have videos online, so why share it again and again, this is another problem but we can deal with that later... If Appearance exists as You say it does, as well as the ability to make "Mental Constructs", then how is that possible, why is it possible, and whom/what is doing this. Please answer in a precise way, don't delegate it away by saying "Nothing is happening, Your creating it in Your mind, all you have to do is realize everything is Absolute", what is this You, how is that too happen if You've tried and failed, then what?

Yes totally! For Absolute/Life to know itself!

@Princess Arabia We're going around in circles okay... We are communicating, so that means its on a level of understanding, if we were telepathically communicating then there are no words, I just know what You are and You know what I am, so that is "Another Level" Okay.. Absolute realization, as You say above is the Ultimate, its the same as Moksha, Liberation, Enlightenment, its what the whole Point of Spirituality, Non dualism, God Realization, whatever label.. We can live in that place, but not within a society, Your Not Going to be in God Realization Experience while driving a car, it won't work, do You drive a car, does Sunny drive a Car? One can be Blissful and/or Peaceful while driving the car, but not in God Realization, its like a hit of 5 MeoDmt, it doesn't work together.. So when home alone or you escape society, then God Realization is it, that is what we are here to experience, but what I am saying is the denying the Car Driving is also Illusionary/Maya, why is God Realization/Absolute the only thing? Why does Sunny post videos and reply to emails? It doesn't exist, its not real, then why? Because it is real on a level, that is the constant discussion, one be in God Realization/Absolute all they want, but they cannot exist in a society, work, sleep, pay bills, and so on which on a level is just as Real! Your posts are all about the Absolute Realization, but there is here the forum, ppl have situations, others console them and this is happening on this non Absolute level Experientially...

@Princess Arabia As he said, the more we "talk" about this stuff, the more intellectual it gets, the more analysis happens then it leads us to endless debates and such, it takes us away from what he is saying and teaching/sharing.. Just notice the cyclical nature of the posts here, solipsism comes up every couple of weeks, I'm God same thing too, so it doesn't helps us really, its entertainment, which is ok in moderation and with Awareness, when those two are absent, then trouble!

Yes, this is the Absolute perspective, nothing is happening, no doer and such things... As I shared that poster, there is Shiva, which means "That which is Not" this is the Absolute, so that which is not is the same as Nothing is happening, no Doer and so forth, but as You go down the list there is Form, on Form level there is a doer, that is that which exists and so forth, so what is all of this? Its all a matter of Potential, within Shiva/Absolute is all the Possibility/Potential that can ever exist, from a piece of shit, to Leo's Alien Consciousness, to whatever comes after that, all Potential, non doing, too doing, non Being to Being, and so forth... If no Experience exists, then its just Absolute.. If Experiences exists, then its Absolute on the Level of Form.. We Humans are here on the Form Level, but we are Absolute fundamentally, as Everything is Potential being put into Form, which comes from Absolute.. You said "from this POV" often in Your post, I have no problem with No Doer, Nothing is Happening, and such, but its Relative to how Conscious one is of the Absolute and the Potentials that exist, we as Humans explore this, that is why we are here, so in relative terms there is something on the level of Form, there is doing on the level of Form, it exists on this level, when You deny it, then Your not Aware of it ALL, Absolute/Non doing/Non Being and Form/Being/Doing... One becomes One Sided, then that leads to all kinds of Situations...

Ok, I would put that in the class of Maya/Illusion, the TV is giving us the effect of Movement, of a Reality taking place, when it is not really taking place, because it is actors playing a role, they are real but the situation is not real, but ppl will get so involved with it that it affects their Experience to a point that it is real for them on the Experience level, so in that sense it is Real.. So reality is only happening on the level of Experience, if no one is there to watch the TV or the program, then in a sense it does not exist, like the analogy of the Tree Falling and making a Sound or doesn't if no one is there to hear it.. This is Subjectivity vs Objectivity, the dilemma or paradox is that all Your Experience is only happening within YOU, You have never experienced anything outside of You, the Experience itself is happening within You, all Your 5 senses bring in data into Your Brain that is within You, Your thoughts happen within You, your Dreams happen within You, Your Ideologies are created and happen within YOU, so in a sense You are the Center of the Universe Experientially, but there are others like You having the same paradox happening, so on the level of Form, there is a You and Me and Reality happening that is Real, on the level of Absolute this is not happening, so its Relativity at Play if Your rooted in Your own Individuality then You will experience Separateness from all Life around You, If Your Inclusive In Your Experience, all Life is within You Experientially and the same.. One is Form level of Consciousness/Awareness, the other is Absolute Level of Consciousness/Awareness, this is the whole point of Yoga and Spiritual Path, to get from one to the other Experientially!

Let me ask You, where does "Appearance" happen, what is "Appearance" and is it important? You keep on mentioning that Nothing is Happening, but only in "Appearance", but if its happening in "Appearance" then it is happening on some sort of level correct? I would say that its happening on the level of Experience, which happens on the level of Form... Reena on her Journal posted this picture, it sort of explains it, it goes from Absolute to Form level, is all of this Real or is just Absolute Real and everything else "Appearance" or what? Also if you notice there is level V or 5, Maya/Illusion, Maya does not mean nothing exists, it means it exists but not as You think or perceive it to be, big difference here...

@r0ckyreed Avoid the fact that we are Mortal, is basically the distraction ploy being played out, we use distraction (social media, video games, entertainment of all sorts, 5 sense pleasure seeking, drugs, etc) so we can avoid all sorts of situational facts that are happening in our lives, especially the fact that someday our bodies will become weaker and eventually fail us and die. Why this happens, why do we lose our physical strength, vitality and endurance? I think this is natures way of making us go Within, to find our Real Selves, and Purpose while Embodied before we lose our Embodiment, just think of it we lose more as we age, this forces us to face impermanency, that everything we come intouch with will leave us, this is a lesson, we need to learn the lesson and go within and then things will work out in the End... One just needs to know that someday we lose our body and the ability to be alive, don't let it emotionally cripple You, just have it there as a simple realization, this should make You focus more on what is important in life and not the stupid shit most of us are doing with wasting our time while here...

There's no denying that, that aspect is everywhere, especially in recent times, corruption has infiltrated every aspect of our World, this is why the raising of Human Consciousness is so important, Corruption is the opposite of Being Conscious or Aware of Life and how Inclusive it is, if You fuck me over, Your fucking everyone over in the end... But sooner or later the West and the rest of the world will come along, its just plain old evolution, we are still like the cave men mentally and consciousness wise, but its slowly changing, the problem is that we don't destroy ourselves first before the World wakes up, we are too empowered today on all levels to destroy ourselves individually and collectively like in a nuclear war or other sort of major disaster...

Huge difference btwn the two men, and as with everything in the West, its watered down.. As a long time Martial Artist, every martial art that came from the east was watered down in the west, a black belt in the east is way more effective and knowledgeable than ones in the west, they have to travel to the east to get the "real" stuff, same situation here, the Yoga in the west is not the real deal, that is all..

Regarding the Health Issues, I think if he focused on it he could be in perfect health, like he was 21 again, but that is not his focus, he's more into doing what he needs to do to help this world become transformed, othewise why build all these temples, why do the talks with various ppl about various issues, why all the travelling and save soil type events, has anyone here travelled, does anyone know what jet lag is?? He goes thru this all the time, plus he's on camera almost 24/7, no privacy for him, so I don't know what it takes for a human being to show what they are and their true colors, if he hasn't done this already, then no one has!

All of what You said has to do with the ppl that are following Sadhguru for the most part, not Sadhguru himself, the real followers are doing the work for themselves, and those that are volunteering full time at the ashrams, they are not focused on Sadhguru as much, they are focused on the work, that entails their own liberation and others. Out of the Millions that follow him, there are those that are nice and "proper" in his presence but when he's not around their ass holes, Sadhguru himself address this.. I think many times he is pretty forthright about it and the hypocrisy of those that are playing the Guru/Disciple game, they do it in public or in front of others but the true stuff has not hit them in their hearts, I don't know how Sadhguru handles it but he does, Blissfully so!!!

what does anything he does have to do with Lying? The talking he does, all the videos on Youtube and such, that is not what he does...

Its the custom in the place he mostly lives and is from, if its not the custom elsewhere that is okay but it is where he is from using the label Guru, Sadhguru means non educated guru, he's not book educated, he comes from his own experience, that is what Sadhguru means... What Your doing is judging him based on Your customs and beliefs, not his...

He says this all the time, don't Look up to anyone, don't look Down on anyone, just see them the way they are, and especially towards him... If ppl still do it, its got nothing to do with him, so its not about Sadhguru watning ppl to look up to him, as he doesn't!

I like Osho allot, I think his biggest take away that he showcased was to confuse ppl, make them disbelieve everything they believed in, he could talk You out of anything and completely change Your Mindset pretty quickly, for sure he is high level of Consciousness!!

The problem with this is that anyone can say anything without all the facts.. Once anything gets "Organized" then things will happen, he cannot control all the ppl involved with running of Isha and the size it is, plus he's free to make decisions about what to do with it as he pleases since he created it, and there Isha Businesses, they have to generate income to support all the things they do otherwise how to do it? When You want to do big things in the world, you will automatically create enemies, certain ppl like things the way they are, and they will fight to the death to keep it that way, so anyone that comes along and tries to change things will face these sorts of ppl. His integrity is intact, he's not about himself or taking, its all about Giving and Transforming, if one cannot see this then what to say, they need much more work on themselves!

He thinks Sadhguru made up all of Indian Cosmology, here is a basic AI explaination of Indian Cosmology. "Indian Cosmology" refers to the beliefs about the origin and development of the universe according to Indian philosophy. It's like a big picture story that different Indian religions have about how everything came to be and what it's made of. It can include ideas about time, space, and the nature of existence that might be different from what you're used to. For example, it might talk about cycles of creation and destruction, or about multiple universes." "The excerpt refers to the concept of 84 universes in Indian cosmology. This belief suggests that our universe is one of 84 which have existed or will exist. Each universe may have its own cycle of creation and dissolution, often compared to the roaring of Shiva, a significant Hindu deity. This idea is part of Hindu and spiritual discussions about parallel universes and the cosmos."

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The issue of Sadhguru holding ppl back, from what I understand of what he has said, at the moment of Enlightenment most all ppl dissolve, that means they Mahasamadhi, as his wife did, they basically physically die, the "Soul" leaves the body, so what would happen if tons of ppl come to his ashram, claim they want Enlightenment, they do the sadhana and then they all mahasamadhi?? It would be chaos, they would have been shut down decades ago for sure.. So just think it thru, he's giving ppl the greatest opportunity they can ever have in Life, its there for them, and he supports them totally, via the temples, ashrams and programs offered... Regarding Devotion, its a tool, like the Deities, they created them to be used as tools, someone is devoteed to a certain God, Temple, Rock or Guru, its a tool they use to get to the Ultimate via their Emotions, they become devoid of self and totally into the object of Devotion. It won't work here in the west, we are too intellectually minded and Individualistic and Narcissistic for the most part... But all these things are tools, name something in Spirituality and I'll show You it as a tool, look at it all this way...

I'm dropping Sadhguru, my new guru is him now! Igor Kufayev