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This place is all about Mind, I come and go here, but we have minds and have to deal with it, You post and I post and everyone is still posting, and sharing it has its place, nothing wrong or good about it, its just there, space recognition is primary in this matter, it stops the identification with Mind and its monkey business...

Recognition only happens when space is there, if Your in it You cannot recognize it, only when space is there then there is recognition, now some have it more naturally but its just the beginning, The rotten eggs is just a matter of spitting it out, being in a war zone bombed everyday due to unconscious leaders hating one another over land ownership and BS like that is not a matter of spitting it out, the example is not relative enough, rotten eggs is not suffering, that is a tiny pain... I am not saying I am living in a war zone, but there are extremes (rotten eggs to war zone), I live inbetween, there is the saying that most people are living lives of quiet Desperation, that is immense suffering, and I know of it, I live it, my Mind suffers it daily but I have a space/recognition of this Mind so I can crack a joke in the middle of it with a complete stranger and wish them a Great Day at the sametime, and go on in life knowing there is more to it than quiet desperation!

How Forms where created and can be used by Us to Realize Truth of Reality and Absolute/Highest Potential!

Desire Process...

Yes the Absolute is this way, and its the essence of what makes us what we are, Life process, which indicates action. In Absolute Realm whatever that is, there is no action, here there is, so we use the Body/Mind for that purpose, but we can stay in the realization/awareness of the Absolute at all times, this makes things like the Mind easier to deal with, there is a space created or experience btwn this Absolute and Mind which messes everything up, that is the beauty of our creation and actions and such, it allows all of this too happen, its just when there is Unawareness of Absolute this thing called Suffering comes up and its not so nice...

The TV screen is akin to the Existence or Reality as it is, which is Perfect, but we as Humans have Free Will to determine and explore Potential and Experience, and the playing field (TV) is set up perfectly for us to play this game, so its a Game. Suffering it or Realizing its Truth and Potential of Perfection (Bliss) makes all the difference.. You can look at the TV turned off, or watch your favorite Movie or TV show, that makes all the difference, so its in that difference that makes Life as it is here for us to play the game of it, all Potentials are being exposed and explored so Life/Absolute can Experience itself, that makes all the difference...

I see life everywhere too, in the suffering there is a beautiful tree that is blowing in the wind or a person helping another person and so forth, but I see the opposite too, if You only see one side then it is distorted. I would say on someone level there are more ppl suffering than Blissed out or even at Peace within, so that is how it is, and it is the basic quality of One's life via either a Blissful Experience or Suffering Experience, its all Life Yes, but not an Empowered or Life of Expressed Potential, which is tragic...

This implies no action is required, since there is no where to go and nothing to get, that is how I understand it. Now the essence as I understand it as to what the bolded sentences say is Truth for sure, not saying otherwise, but its a Process of Realization, of getting to an experience of there is no where to go and nothing to get, this is Emptiness, No Thing Ness in essence and is an aspect of Enlightenment, but it has to be Experienced, if it is not then there "Is" somewhere to go and somewhere to get to lol... and if someone is not willing to go somewhere and get something then we are doomed...

All Religions came from what we call Spiritual Beings having Enlightenment Experiences, then passing it down to others for them to have the same experiences, but when this happens Humans begin to organize and compete with others then it (the Original Experiencer and passing it down to others) becomes distorted and not what it is originally for, it becomes the opposite of what it was meant for, corrupt, anti Truth anti Reality, ego dominates, separation rules, like we have today in the world...this is the result of the one's learning not being in the same state of Experience as the Original Experiencer, each one learning is slightly different in experience and understanding due to Karmic Substance and Influence, and therefore not exactly the same, so distortion is brought about because of that..

Anything You ingest does not really produce the effect You feel, it rather just brings forth the Potential that is always within Us, nothing ingested can make you feel something that is not already possible to feel, you can't feel something impossible to feel... Its like when I was training and teaching in Martial Arts for 30yrs, I came to the Realization that the training at whatever art that is practiced is not really teaching You anything, it is just making You realize a certain Potential within You. There are 1000 ways to throw a punch, that are somewhat unique to one another, you learn a particular way of doing it (via certain body structures and body mechanics) then that potential is exposed within You, and express by You, that is the same with smoking weed, snorting a line of coke, or taking a hit of 5meodmt, when it comes within the boundary of Your Body, where all Experience happens, then it bring about a Certain Potential Experience that was already there but waiting to be exposed.. Now the key is if that Potential is always there, can I expose it naturally via my own Free Will? Yes of course, You can manifest any Experience You want under Your own free Will, just work at it, and then decided do I want a 5meo experience right now or a normal waking state experience right now, or Bliss/Depression Experience right now...

The Awareness, of being always aware of the nonduality at all times, that cannot be manifested or brought about directly, it has to be the residual result or consequence of setting up the "playing field" per say, you set the atmosphere up in your own system so that Awareness is naturally arising, for eg if You truly Realize we are all one, individual Bodies and Minds yes, but that is not what we are, in what we are we are all One, if that is truly realized then Awareness comes naturally..Once that is in place, no War is possible...

He talks about how the process of Knowing Life is, how most ppl are not stable enough to really go thru the process of Knowing Life while here and embodied, and that it takes plenty of preparation work before the real work happens.. We are all layers upon layers of karma, of things that need to be worked out, but we have highly tuned up and alert but conditioned Intellects, everything on this forum is Intellectual, ppl expressing ideologies about all sorts of things, this is helpful on a tiny level only, because we are far too identified with our intellects and what we think about things, this is minor realizations, it is prep work only! The Real work sooner or later has to happen, it can kill some ppl, but it has to be done otherwise same old cycles happen, we are worse off in many ways than we were before the industrial revolution and tech revolution, we can all destroy ourselves in many more ways today than ever, but no Awareness is really present...

Your Correct but Incorrect, there is something to "Get", that is until there is Nothing to "Get", it is a circle.. Bruce Lee said "Before I learned the art, a punch was just a punch, and a kick, just a kick. After I learned the art, a punch was no longer a punch, a kick, no longer a kick. Now that I understand the art, a punch is just a punch and a kick is just a kick", Life is cyclical, the only thing is Awareness of this cycle, that is the only thing we can do as Human compared to any other life form, and that is a sort of Action, Being Aware, then the cycle shifts. Awareness is another form of Intelligence for lack of a better word, its not really a Doing, one cannot make themselves Aware, they can just fix the atmosphere or inner situation in a way that Realization of Awareness blossoms by itself, like planting a flower, other things have to happen before the flower blooms, there is no planting of seed, then flower instantly appears, so in that is a "Process" and that is where action and Doing is, creating the situation for it to happen naturally.. Lots are UnAware, and via that we have a mixed up corrupt world, systems of dysfunction and suffering for billions of ppl, something has to be done, if Nothing is or has to be done then we are doomed, we have to deal with these situations, Body and Mind and Emotions and not avoid it by saying Nothing is to be Done, no one can just do nothing for the most part, if they could then for sure things would transform, but they/we can't, so action has to happen...

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Good Post! I think his 3 pillars in the IE program of This Moment is Inevitable, This Moment is all there Is, and Response Ability is the best way to have a "Friction Free" as You say, I call it a Stress Free Life which is the foundation of any Spiritual Path, if Your always Reacting, being a Slave to outside situations, then Enlightenment is not in the cards for You! Peace and Ease have to come first, then it will happen most naturally I think!!

that's not real joy, the murders and evil ppl of this world are not in joy, they are in delusion, they feel pleasures but that is not joy for sure..they can't be, as when one is in joy they see everything is connected, everything is basically no different from them, if that is so then how can they be evil...

Well Said.. Lots have a mis understanding of Karma, its complex for sure, the key is to not creating more karma in this lifetime, and burn as much as you can of the karma already allotted, if one does that then Life opens up for sure...

Yes true, its less likely to to bad actions when one is in Bliss, when Your happy then everything looks brighter, purer, and more real, the opposite is true when Your suffering, so to be highly Conscious means Your more intouch with Truth and Reality, and hence more Blissful..

Without Karma (impressions of residual actions from the past) there would be no Planets, Us, Universe or anything physical, it allows physicality to exist, and because of that we have what we have here on this realm of existence, the game of duality, karma, free will, expression/experience exists for us to play out and choose how to respond to it and be within ourselves...

He says if You can Joyfully Accept the Consequences of any action You take, do whatever You want to do, but if You cannot Joyfully accept the consequences then be mindful of Your actions.. Is this advocating do whatever You want to do? I don't think it does, it just clarifies the karma issue and what it means... It doesn't matter what anyone thinks of anyone elses actions, ppl will still do what they want to do and shit will still happen, that is their Karma to deal with, not for us to judge it too death and suffer it..

Since Sadhguru was mentioned, the way he describes Karma is that it is action, for Us it is the residual action acting upon us in the present moment, Action is in 4 areas, Body, Mind, Emotion and Energy, each moment since the day we were born there is action being created, the residual result of all those actions is Karma, there is also the karma from the previous lives coming up now as well.. Karma is not reward punishment system, the Universe/God/Absolute does not have a care about anything actions taking place by any life form, but as a Human Being we are the only Life Form that can be Conscious of this Karma and do something about it.. So a person can do bad things and get away with it, but that person doing Bad things and enjoying it, what is their state of BEING to be able to do these sorts of Action and Enjoy it? Probably its not so good, their probably dealing with some craziness and such in their heads, so that alone will be the pay back, it will get them sooner or later but there is no force out there dealing out justice, if there was then no one would be Responsible for their Actions and if that was the case the world would be even more messed up than it is Now...

This is an easy one.. With Deep Sleep and us waking up, this is a natural process built into the system, i don't think it is thought, it is karma, or built in software that is on many levels that wakes us up and gets us moving (if we don't move we die), and its not the same as using the analogy of "Being Asleep" compared to Wakefulness in regards to Consciousness/Awareness of Reality and what we are, this is much much deeper. There are tons of layers to what You are, and its all relative to say it simply.. Being Conscious of Yourself means You know what You are and are Not, I am not the Body or Mind, so then what was there before the Body/Mind so that a Body and Mind are here now to use?? What is the fundamental of what You are so that any accumulation and gathering occurs so that You think You are something other than what You are? This is an identification problem, and it comes naturally for Us since we need to be identified with our Body first so that we have the Will to protect it and feed it and take care of it, then we identify with our family (as an extension of Yourself) so that we do the same with them, and on and on it goes, we are way too identified with way too many things nowadays I think, but never with what we really are, which is a non physical aspect of what makes up everything.. The questions of "Who is Aware of the Dream" and such are Good Questions to ask and inquire about within ones self, but how to Inquire, how to find out without thinking too much and once again mis identifying with something You are not..there are methods and teachings that help one with this stuff, the key is not too identify with the methods and teachings, just use them as tools, drop them when what You want to find out happens...

Greed is an aspect of the Desiring Process we all have within Us, its You wanting to be More of than what You are right Now, but with Greed its an part Intellectual and Emotional Desire, You compare with others, then want what they have and go for it, its okay and natural, its the Entanglement involved with the things acquired, success, money, possessions, fame, whatever, that is the problem, if those things disappear You suffer it.. No one can really say what is too much, I personally think someone like Musk being worth $200 +billion, is a bit too much for anyone person to have that much wealth and power that comes with it, especially when there are ppl that are suffering homelessness and hopelessness, all due to economic disparity and such,, Identification with something You are not is the main problem in life, this causes so much craziness and suffering in the world..

An Answer means a Conclusion of Sorts is being made.. When Ppl like Sadhguru or other Mystics/Guru share their stories it is not for one to then Believe in it, nor is one too Dis Believe in it, its for one to be made Curious, they should become Curious as to why such a person would say such things, then via that Curiosity they Seek to Know, and for True Seeking to happen one has to drop all ideologies and concepts and philosophies developed about Life and Reality and truly Seek, this opens up Your Willingness and Receptivity to aspects of Life and that will lead You down the right path to eventually Knowing in a way, Liberation and Enlightenment for sure..

the causal body has stored karma in it, that encapsulates the bliss body and so called Soul or Atman (you allotted Life aspect within You), this is all that goes with You, so its an evolutionary process. Why this is the way it is I do not Know nor have I heard or read of any explanation, I only guess that Absolute contains all Potential and Possibility, via an Aspect of Oneness/Completeness, so therefore we have to exist somewhere, duality has to exist somewhere, Consciousness has to exist and be experienced/expressed somewhere, I think that somewhere is here...so we play out this game of duality, karma, Consciousness, Free Will, Embodiment, etc so Absolute can experience itself, as well its an expression of a certain Potential in Existence..