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I did it first..somewhere aloong the way lol... but yes Danger is real, as is Pain and its healthy, but Fear, any sort of fear like suffering is disempowering, not needed at all for a Human, but ppl identify with it, make it their anchor, I personally think this is their ego's talking..."see what I've been thru, see see..."

Whenever You Non Dual, Nothing to do, nothing is happening types get stumped by a response You all say the samething "This is just Your Opinion", well so is what You share, its just opinion, so that is what we do here, share opinions! This is not Spirituality, Truth or Reality in any sort of way, but if Your going to participate one needs to know what they are talking about... Try this experiment, stay in a state of Fear for a year straight, everyday Fear is all You feel, but before this take some bio marker tests, then at the end of that Year you will see everything is worse off, the opposite is true if Your Happy or Optimistic or any other Empowering Emotion, the markers will show improvement... I shared this on another thread, Deepak Chopra shared a report where a bunch of senior citizens that had health problems were put into an environment that was from the 1950's, when they were much younger, they were in that environment for a few weeks, at the end of it they de aged, so there is scientific evidence contrary to what You say, the whole question is can one be conscious of these things and control them,,, Check out Swami Rama, Scientist tested him, he controlled his heart rate, different temperatures on each sides of his hands, and other things, so it is possible...

Absolute is Supreme Intelligence, not calculation, survival/cunningness sort of Intelligence, but Grand Intelligence, the thing that makes Gravity, Atoms, millions of chemical reactions per second, Shit grows things, we eat what grows then shit it out, Trillions of things, non things happenings, non happenings, going on in a tiny moment, we cannot comprehend it, that is Supreme Intelligence on a small scale, but its not Expressed in Absolute realm, but Potential is there, so therefore we are an expression of that Potential, living it out daily moment by moment, So Absolute in a sense can Experience itself as a by product I would say.. Out of Oneness, Duality is born, because Duality is not separation but Oneness travelling in a Circle..

An ameba is a certain Potential, You/Humans are a certain Potential...This Earth is a certain Potential, other Earth like places or non Earth like places are a Potential... One believing in the God of the Bible is a certain Potential, Non Dualism is another.. Depression/Anxiety/Bitterness are certain Potentials, Happiness/Bliss/Ecstasy are others, the key to it all when dealing with Human Experience (we the most Capability in this area) if Your ability to exert Free Will, the Ability to Respond Consciously (You choose how to Experience), if You deny this then You will live by Accident (non Enlightenment), if You embrace it You live by Choice (Enlightenment)...

I have a differing understanding of this sort of thing, there are doings and happening, just not on the Absolute level, as I've told others before this "no doing" or "Nothing Happening" lingo is Top Down method, where one is already in the Experience of Oneness, Absolute and so forth, but the reality is not everyone is, so for those that are not they have to "DO" and Something is "Happening" but its on this relative level which the Top Downers deny. If You deny where You are right now, that You have a Body and Mind to use, that Duality and Material is present here, then it will cause massive suffering... Of course the whole point of Spirituality is to have the perspective You wrote above as a Real Experience, but its while here and Embodied, which we have to deal with. It not all Thoughts as I said, there is much more to it...

@Da77en For sure in today's world there is allot of projection, but I think this is a modern day phenomenon, back in the older days ppl were too busy trying to survive to be projecting much... The problem today is that ppl are not aware of how the body or mind works, they live via accident, are reactive not responsive, totally ignorant that the tree is a part of them via the O2 it provides for Us, that the Earth is a part of them via the Food it provides Us, and on and on it goes, ppl are totally disconnected and via that feel separate from everything and via that since they are tiny human beings Fear is the only thing to feel and experience, the other stuff goes of this basic situation...

If this crazy was not in place then we would not be here, then Absolute is just Absolute, Potential is never revealed, exposed or expressed or experienced.. If like a phantom zone, nothing happens, nothing has happened, nothing will happen, at least here something is happening, something has happened and something will happen, like Your Birth, do You think that has meaning or no? The problem here is simply some are placing meaning on what they find meaningful, what I am saying is that all of it is meaningful.. Some say what is going on here, our body/mind is not meaningful, others say it is, all of it is, the body, mind and soul for lack of a better word..Its all Potential, if You see all of it then Your Enlightened..If You see some of it, then not quite there yet...

Free Will is only in How You Respond and How You Experience, that we can determine for ourselves and is the most critical and Important! The other aspects, Samskaras or the impressions of everything that You've done in the past can reflect on You now situationally, but how You respond to that is up to You.. So yes somethings in our life our bound, somethings are free, choose were to live and that will make all the difference..deny it and see what happens!!

If society taught You something, then You can unlearn it! And it doesn't have to be complete, just ease off a bit on Your obsession with Self, pay more attention to things outside of Yourself and appreciate it more.. Right now You have heavy Karma/Conditioning to overcome just to get to a point of basic Peace (if Your not at Peace within, then Your living below Human potential), that is where the work is, never mind what others are doing in their lives and You feeling insecure, this just complicates Your life and is a big distraction.. In the End its up to You, what You do with it and what You think is Possible/Impossible is Your choice, choose whatever it is, if You can deal with the consequences joyfully what does it matter, if not then work has to be done!

When You have something exposed to you that You think is a "Good" thing or Empowering isn't that what we need at times, examples of How Life can be? But with highly Egoic minds it makes them feel insecure or bad about themselves, but they make it all about themselves, not about the possibilities that are available to most everyone. So its all perspective, are you looking at it from the Ego, or from the perspective of this is something I want to get into and this person is living the way I want to live as well and research it more to find out how You can do it too.. You need to get out of Your Ego, limited self identity and concern just about Self, and expand Your Awareness to see Life all around You and that You are a part of this Life process and are limitless in nature..

Enlightenment is the Highest Potential for a Human Being, and since a Human Being has Free Will they have too choose what that means to them. For some it is just a sense of neutrality, for others its extreme Ecstasy all the time or whenever they want to experience that. and for others it is mastery of the Human Mechanism and all that it has to offer, whatever it is, don't listen to anyone giving concrete conclusions, as that is a limitation in and of itself. Its better to ask, What Enlightenment is Not! It is not Suffering in anyway shape or form. it is not worship or idolization, it is not Belief of any kind, it is not Philosophy of Any Kind (as we are doing here with all these posts). Just look at the worst example of Human Kind and the Best examples of Human Kind, and see what is possible via their examples, then decide what it means for You!

I would say some of these listed above are not really "Fear" based, we need to be able to Judge, Compare, and feel Insecure anyways to survive another day, so those things are mostly about Your ability to Live another Day above Ground which not too long ago was a important skill to have, we have evolved in many ways socially and technologically but we are still Cave Men in many ways... Fear comes from not knowing, not knowing has allot to do with the Future, ppl get Fearful of what may happen next. The cure for this is to focus on where Life is found, that is within this Moment (this is an Awareness based Intelligence Living Now Totally). This does not mean You neglect the Past (which is memory) and Future (which is your imagination), you use them wisely, You get Wise from the past, this gives You Clarity, with Clarity You see how Life/Existence is set up, and from this no Fear can happen, You will see far ahead and in a way know what is going to happen at any given moment. Danger is real, we have to be Aware of what is dangerous, but Fear is mind based and totally under our control! The other things You mention, like self doubt, paranoia, neurosis and such are I think based on the society we live in and the conditioning we have gathered from that Society, its all Ego based and we live in a horrible sort of Culture that conditions Us towards these sorts of Emotions and Experiences, our Society/Culture is completely Backwards and Disempowering to say the least, hence we have what we have today, 20-30% of the ppl have mental health challenges and problems, ppl addicted to everything that comes into their lives and individuals so Unconscious that they will kill or sell innocent children to get what they want, totally despicable!

Seeking is not a "bunch of thoughts", all of Us are Seekers, that is why all of Us are here, deny it and then You will be a Hypocrite.. All of Us want to be More than what we are, that can apply to anything, simply just wanting to post an answer or post something original posed as a question, all of this is a form of seeking... Saying there is no "Seeker" is like saying there is no one posting, that is not True!

Pain tells You your physical and mental limits, if Your not aware of this, then this embodied life will be for sure short and full of suffering, just imagine if ppl had no sense of pain at all, what they would do to themselves..so in that sense its healthy as a survival tool on that level. Suffering is reliving this pain artificially via the mind and it going out of control.. Like so called successful ppl, that have fame, travel, money, their doing what they luv to do, etc,, and suffer it, its understandable that if life is hard, living in a war zone, lost luv'd via an accident, or some other tragedy, then okay the suffering will be there, but when none of that is happening, things are going well and ppl still suffer it.. That means that suffering is self created, and as You say its unhealthy for the body and mind.. Too many on here deny the body and mind aspect of Reality for a Human, doing so causes more suffering, but they still eat food, and work to make $$, makes no sense and is a complete contradiction.. from what they say to the actions they perform..hypocrites essentially in this aspect of understanding reality..

How is suffering healthy if it is unpleasant? How is unpleasantness healthy for us? Why do ppl try help other ppl get out of unpleasantness if its healthy? Pain is healthy, Suffering is unhealthy in all aspects in my experience..

@Sugarcoat Forget all this Non Dual, Enlightenment, meaning/no meaning talk, it will confuse You. Right Now or maybe at certain times You feel a sense of Suffering Yes or No? If yes, disregard what anyone is telling You about what they think Reality is or isn't, deal with this sense of Suffering! Ask Yourself and come to Your own answers, Is Suffering healthy for You or not? Don't let anyone answer this for You! Then decided what You want to do about it, keep on experiencing what You are experiencing, or change it! If You want to change it then You must seek the way to change it, because obviously what Your doing now is not working right? If You don't want to change it keep on doing what Your doing.. My General sense when ppl come on here and ask for opinions on what to do about something, or what something is, at the end of the conversation they are more confused than when they first asked the question, which leads to endless questions and no transformation or even change in experience..

The Thing is the with the higher intensity Experiences like Bliss and Ecstasy, they don't allow one to function at times well in life situations, if Your a Householder and have a job and family, being Blissed out will make those things somewhat meaningless... I was watching some NDE ppl share their experiences, one Man after his heart stopped, he had 4 kids, a single father, and when he passed over to the "Other" side, he said the Bliss/Love he experienced made him forget his family, he said "At that moment I didn't care about them", so that is a bit of a danger to it, which is why Ashrams were build so ppl could go thru these experience in safe protected places... But saying that, it much better to be in Bliss than Depression or Anxiety, its just a matter of dealing with it using Clarity as a key aspect! This is why Guru's are so important!!

Find a quality Guru, You need assistance with this for sure, as we all do. If You Accept Everything as it is, Live Now Absolutely(Use past to become wise from), Respond rather than react, then suffering is not possible, work on these basic three, and they are not mental exercises, its goes deeper than that!

People want only what is lacking in their life, poor ppl want more money, weathly ppl want more power, stupid ppl want more knowing... Bliss is the grease that makes it all flow that much easier, Bliss is a by product of Enlightenment I would say. And Bliss is higher up on the scale of Intensity of Experiences, lets say compared to Peace, Peace is 0 on a scale of 10, anything below Peace is not really living the Human Potential in any way, Happiness is 4, Joy is 7, Bliss is 9 and Ecstasy is 10 on a scale of how Intense an Experience is (empowering Experiences)... Just be Peaceful first as a natural Experience, then for sure it will flow upwards!

@Sugarcoat First Your thinking way way to far ahead, for now Enlightenment is just a concept for You, for most of Us as well.. Take Baby Steps Okay, First regulate Your Daily Experience, if You are not Peaceful of Your own nature, no matter what is going on, if You are not Accepting What is as it is naturally, if You are not Living Now and are not being ruled by past or future, then Enlightenment is not in your future in any way shape or form, so work on the basics, if You get the basics it will naturally happen, the various Sadhanas are basically about the basics, taking the shit away that is preventing You from Realizing the Reality as it is, that is Enlightenment isn't it? Quit being trapped by Your Mind, being a Slave to every thought, ideology, egoic wanting or judging, be here Now truly!

Yes, and its our Willingness to make it so everyone is provided for in regards to basic needs, as You said we have all the resources for everyone to live healthy and safe/secure/comfortably, but it is not profitable to do this, so the willingness is not there.. Willingness is not there because we are not Conscious enough of Reality, we on a mass scale do not realize that Life is not outside of Ourselves but within Ourselves, and of course in nature, and we are heavily connected to nature on so many levels, we breath in the air from the trees and such, what we breath out they use that up, we eat from what the earth provides, we shit it out and the earth uses that as well, so its all connected on millions of levels, but we feel lonely, dis connected, and other BS stuff because we are so unconscious on a whole.. All our the systems we have created (Capitalism, Health care, Education, Government, etc.) in our society are corrupted because of this, its competition based, profit based, exclusivity based, all Egoic in nature, which is opposite of a Conscious, Inclusive perspective, so once that changes everything Transforms!

Yes, good training ground for how to deal with Yourself and others lol.. good for headaches too:)

That's good, Martial Arts is so much more than just about Fighting, of course that is one of its primary reasons for existence, but it goes way beyond this.. When I first started I researched so much about it, and Bruce Lee came up and I studied him very thoroughly, here is a good sharing of his, watch the Pierre Burton Interview, its the only English Interview of Bruce I believe in Existence, it was like a year or so before his death...Great Stuff!

Half the battle is finding a good Instructor, glad you found one, hope it stays that way, Martial Arts are a Wonderful creation, they are as complex as Spiritual Systems and intermix at times with them too, keep at it, it will stay with You for the rest of Your life if You give it enough attention and dedication, one really gets to know themselves on certain levels via Martial Arts and its various Training Methods:)