Ishanga

This is so, eventually all Desire lead to Absolute, You always want to be More than what You are already, Musk want to be more of what he is now, if this stops for You in your Experience, then your either numb or wanting to end it...which is low level of Awareness or Consciousness..

Well existence is infinte right, but there are ends to all cycles, even this universe which is 14 billion yrs old they say will end, so big bang all over again I don't know.. but our cycle will end of form creation and dying then coming back, its evolution, via that evolution eventually identity and personality are created.. Maybe somewhere there are other forms more evolved than us, apparently there are higher realms of existence, what is here on this earth is very basic, there is a place where Guru/Rishis go to after there physical death and realms above that, so it been long investigated and recorded and there to be discovered and such... Loka means Dimension or Realm..

Its like ppl will watch everything a rich and famous or successful person will do, but to be them is another story... I recently watched some video's on the guy that created Hotmail, and then sold it to Bill Gates, he instantly become a multi multi millionaire, worth 200Million, of course he said in the beginning he felt high as a kite, bought stuff, travelled and such, but after awhile it settled down, and the stuff and fame was not so important, but ppl focus on the stuff and think that will fulfill them, it won't.. So being Musk would not be something I would want to be, I would not want the responsibility, the exposure, the work load or fame..

So Musk is already the richest Man, what else could he want? Going into politics, getting a position in the White House or whatever would actually curtail his ambition if he wants more power or influence, if that is what ppl think he wants, he already has tons of Power and Influence, if he wanted more he would just keep on doing what he is doing, not going the political route...

Well the thing is, yes its all stories for Us hearing them, but at least it provides a framework for You to Realize it faster than ppl before us.. Its no different from how we lived 500 yrs ago to how we live today, we learn things along the way, so that things happen faster and more efficently and effectively, that is all.. One can become Enlightened in 100 lifetimes, or 1 lifetime, one can use a Guru to do this fasters, or not use a Guru and do it alone and get there via a slower process. The point is also not to believe in it or disbelieve in these stories or theories, but investigate it too see for Yourself if it is true, Guru's are not the same as an Enlightened Being, Guru's know the mechanics of Life, Enlightened Ppl most do not from what I understand of it...

The Karmic substance is what goes on, certain tendencies and conditionings, 5 shealths theory again, your food body and mental body do not go on, the energy/etheric and Bliss body go on, Karma is stored in the energy body, it goes with Atman, via your spiritual/consciousness level at physical death, you either consciously or unconsciously choose another Body... There is Sanchita Karma, this is the total Karmic Substance of all Your Incarnations, then there is Prarabdha Karma which is the alloted Karma for this incarnation, the Enlightenment process is to first eliminate or burn of the Praabdha Karma then the Sanchita karma, once that is done, no more incarnations, no more individuality, no more birth/death/rebirth for You, You merge with Absolute and its over... No Karma, no form is possible, no physical existence in any form is possible, cause and effect cycles are incased in every physical form, only Humans can be conscious of this process and be either below or above it..that is the point of our existence, to explore this Possibility and Potential so Absolute can experience itself...

Yes agreed..the question is why all this form and below Absolute, its real on a relative level, so why is it here and happen and why don't we realize it from day one and have to strive and seek and do all this stuff to know what You wrote above? Maya is Illusion, Illusion does not mean something does not exist, it means it does not exist as You experience it, so when we normal use our 5 senses, it brings us a perception just intense good enough for our survival, if we were to perceive everything absolutely, we would not care about survival, so words like Life is Imaginary or a Dream are not correct usage, Maya as described above is correct. So we want to be able to Perceive Life as it really is, not on the survival level, but if we do on a everyday situation, then forget about Job, family, social contracts and that sort of thing, it will drop off for sure...

Its a teaching of course, do I have actual experience of it, No, but we are all sharing theory here, like I said, this is not Spirituality or anything of the sort, we are talking theorizing around it, any response from anyone is basically that, their truth when expressed is just a story or theory for me and you..But via the story we can become inspired to know ourselves.. Admitting I do not Know is critical in the beginning, as via admitting not Knowing, your Natural Intelligence opens up and starts to seek to know. So Seeking is needed in the beginning, if no seeking happens, then no transformation can begin, unless Your karmic substance is that You are basically already there via previous realizations, like Ramana Marashi, he was already there, didn't need to do much Sadhana or anything, most of us are not like this...

There's much more than 2 meditations, plus meditation is not a proper word to use, someone sitting with eyes closed, you think they are meditating, but they are sleeping, it doesn't reflect what we need to understand.. We want to be Meditative, or at Ease wtihin ourselves, that is we are naturally Accepting what is, Responding to what is, Living Now naturally, this Ease is no stress environment, the stress response is stopped, and You have great Clarity of Reality, You see what is as it is, no judgement, egoic involvement or wants/needs flitering Your Perception.. You just see the Reality, via this You feel Bliss within, so Bliss is a path and by product of Enlightenment, to get Bliss, start from where You are at, get Peaceful of Your Own nature, watching breath will not get You there by itself, its too basic, that will just in ways calm you down, You want Peace as a Natural Experience, no matter what is going on, heart beat lowers, less sleep needed, and more at Ease, then from there naturally You will rise up to Blissful states as Natural occurence. Try Isha Kyria, a simple 12 min practice, then move up the ladder to Inner Engineering and Shambhavi Maha Mudra practice which is 21 min,,

Breakingthewall is not considering Karma, residual action creating conditioning on your present form, so you were a rat 1000yrs ago, karma was created, then You become a cat, then horse, then this or that, then a human, the karma comes along, so its an evolution, fundamentally we are Absolute, but in form we are relative to our awareness and karma and such things. Once physicality is in place, there are cycles in place, Awareness (as a form of Intelligence in and of itself) cures all of this, karmic substance and such..but without Karma no physicality can exist, no form can exist, if no form exist, then Absolute does not experience itself, its all theory and potential, no expression or experience..

Sadhguru Experiences A 2000 Years Old Monk

Hate, like Love is Intensity of Emotion, combine an Identified Ego, then You get the ppl that think Trump will destroy the world in 4 yrs, which will not happen. In 4yrs shit will happen, good and bad, and then we will be here again, debating who's the next president.. so it useless waste of time and mental energy and it creates karma that has to be dealt with.. Its also an indication of where someone is on the path, if it bothers them that much, where You shame others for believing or voting or whatever in regards to their actions or thoughts/beliefs, then they themselves are just that thing as well, not very developed mentally or spiritually!

3 Isha Yoga Teachers discuss the Traps of Sadhana or Spiritual Practices.. Good Sharing!!

Sooner or Later all Forums of this nature run their course, too much discourse on any subject is no good, especially Spirituality and Self Development, talking about it too much is Disempowering... This place is now a good repository of Information for newbies for sure, they can search it and find answers or inquiries for most any newbie question, so its good for that... But for those that are not newbies it gets redundant and is not so healthy!

Well Said!

Of course the ppl are going to watch what he does and make sure it is not illegal or within the bounds of his powers, that I am not against, but the intent of your previous posts suggested to me that You want ppl to rise up and fight hard against him, and try to stop him from doing what he has to do, that is not correct action.. let him do what he has to do, see what comes of it, then if its crazy stuff do what You have to do.. I'm not naive either, I'm probably twice Your age, done more than You, seen more than You, voted more than You, so please watch the ego You have, when someone disagrees it shows its ugly face...

Yes correct, the action speaks for themselves.. Its super hard for Us normal ppl that work jobs and live in a slave like atmosphere to judge accurately that elites, I'm not for them in anyway, I'm just saying it is sort of a different world, I wouldn't want to be Musk or any of them, Trump either, who would need the hassle and the fact that maybe half the population hates them, here in Canada half the population hates Trudeau, he's Young man, he will be out of office in a year then what, live the rest of Your life looking over Your shoulder? He'll probably leave the country and live elsewhere...But we cannot really know what it is like or what they are like since most of them hide their true selves and only reveal a public persona.. My problem is when ppl are dead sure about someone but they have no clue or credibility to judge that person from just the difference in lifestyle and knowing,, Putin I think we sort of know what he is, he's doing this war vs Ukraine and its obvious he has no compassion or consciousness level of realization if he is doing it this way..its not like Ukraine attacked them first right...

I beg to differ, he's not very controversial at all.. You see once someone has a plan to change the world, automatically Enemies and ppl that disagree with arise, so that is what is happening. Is Saving the Soil of the Earth controversial? Is Saving the Trees and Rivers on the Planet Controversial? Id showing ppl what it is like to be constantly Blissful (Living example) and showing them methods for them to be this way themselves Controversial? He's gone Mainstream that is for sure but this is via his plan to spread the Yoga worldwide, he says he will die a Blissful Failure since he has only Touched 3 billion ppl, and not the entire population..

I wouldn't say he is teaching, what You see on Utube and the books in not what he does... The Guru more or less Transmits, Silently, this is the way of the Guru, but in today's day and age the Guru has to talk allot more to get ppl interested, Sadhguru calls this Circus, he has to play the game otherwise the goal is never reached, to Raise Human Consciousness, but he is not just a "Guy" teaching Spirituality.. I've done years of research on him before starter his programs and seeing the effectiveness of them for myself...

@Sugarcoat I'm curious, have You found Your Answer, after 15 pages of replies???

You have 5 sheaths, the last one is called Bliss Body, that is when Your Intouch with it, God/Absolute/Soul/Atman, they call it Bliss Body because there are no words to describe it, as soon as You describe it you limit it, conceptualize it and make it what it is not but we can be intouch with it, that is Enlightenment and with that comes Bliss, Sat Chi Ananda Truth/Consciousness/Bliss...

who's is judging this "Stupidity" and maybe the person making the judgement and claim this person is "Stupid" is even more stupid.. anyone can say anything today about anyone, you call Sadhguru Stupid (not saying You are), why should I put any credibility to your statement??? You know nothing about him really other than what You have read or seen on video, what sort of source of judgement conclusions is that?? Its not anything!

yes, just imagine what it is like to be Musk and be worth 200+billion $$, running multiple companies, making decisions daily that affect lots of ppl, constantly being asked for opinion/interviews, harassed up the ass probably, being sued daily I bet, family life, we cannot imagine what it is like or the pressure, pain or pleasure of it.. We can judge it, but there is no Credibility to our judgement when we state it in a place like this, anyone can say anything about anyone, doesn't matter no credibility to what ppl say, but if another person similar in statue to Musk as an example, says something they can judge and it be credible since they are in similar situations and know up to a point, we don't know squat about ppl like Musk, and/or Trump and others...

Enlightened ppl are not on the couch doing yoga/meditation 24/7, Sadhguru does 20 sec a day, and he only sleeps 4 hrs a day, he has 20 hrs basically to devote to what he wants, plus he is not just Enlightened, he's a Guru there is a difference, and has access to parts of his mind that he can mentally do many things simultaneously, we as we are cannot do this without an understanding and mastery of the mind and human system.. Enlightenment and Being a Guru are different things totally..plus he has Clarity much more intense and clear than any of us, he can focus for a min on something and see it for what it is clearly, for us that may take much much longer...

This will just destroy the country faster than it already is, this is like getting Your car fixed by the mechanic You choose then purposely putting sand in the gasoline tank, why would you do this? The process has run its course, do you believe or adhere to the process of Your own country? If so then it has done what it was designed to do, if You fight it and don't agree with the result then Your making it worse...if You can't see this clearly then You don't see much of what is going on...