Ishanga

I was watching some NDE video's recently, most all the ppl say they did not want to come back from what/where ever they were or what was happening in their Experience.. One guy with 4 kids whom he was very devoted too, said while he was having his NDE he didn't care about his 4 kids and wanted to stay in that experience of great Bliss, Love and Oneness... I think what happens here is all about Choice and Free Will combined with one's Consciousness/Awareness level, we are all capable of what the Great Sages/Mystics have Experienced, but we have Karma to deal with and Desire too, so in the end its up to each of Us to choose what to do and how to BE within themselves, this sets up the foundation for no more birth/death/rebirth cycles to continue and to get out of this place that is at times not so healthy or great!

Pain for them, as we normally view it, creates a pleasure for them, its sound paradoxial, but some like pain because the pleasure that comes after is more powerful, trust me no one actually wants true pain and suffering consciously.. For sure the Body functions and is much healthier via pleasure feeling and experiences, but it has to be a natural sort of thing, not a dopamine or eating bad food to have a moment of sensory pleasure, but true pleasure with is just being happy naturally, which most ppl have never experienced.. How can being Happy produce bad health or be bad for Us, that doesn't make any sense, compared to depression or anxiety that most ppl are experiencing today, fight/Flight conditions in the body causing constant stress responses are very unhealth for human beings..

I've contemplated on it, at times this Human existence gets old, like I've been thru so many times before, the game gets old, like I've been going to School for Millennia, at times its like I want to move on, which is I guess a part of the Desiring Process, to always want to expand and become Limitless and Boundless, Completely Free... I agree the Non Dual talks go nowhere, and become circular in nature, plus how to talk about Union or Non Duality/One, its untalkable imo, we cannot discuss such topics directly, only indirectly which causes ppl to develop ideologies and strong identifications with it...

Good Post! Solipsism as You defined it simply Unprepared ppl having Grand Experiences and coming back from it and perceiving it via an Egoic Filter, "If all is One, and there is Just "ME", then only I/Me exists", the unprepared ppl meaning they have no Sadhana or training behind them to already have a Space Developed and Experience btwn What is them and what is not Them.. Of course Using words as we are here creates Division automatically just by the way language works, but most will get what I mean.. Experientially as I've said before, there is only You experiencing You, all the data the senses bring in are Experienced within You, so You've never Experienced anything outside of You really, but that is only on the Experiential level, the senses are still showing a tiny bit of the outside of You and its real, real as real gets, but again there are levels to Reality and this one we are in is the least Subtle...What is You is the Most Subtle...

@Princess Arabia We chase Happiness because Fundamentally everything about us, our Bodies, Minds, Emotions and Energy functions better when in a Naturally Happier State, Suffering states do the opposite, they de optimize everything that we have to use while here... Believe it or not, but each decision You make is based on Happiness, or Pleasure seeking, the "Gaining Pleasure, Avoiding Pain" Equation is always running and always calculating to make sure Your Life is more Pleasurable than Painful, it doesn't always work or make sense but that is what is happening! Via a Naturally Happiness State through out the entire system, then a Human Being can be capable of reaching their Highest Potential, whatever that is, because choice and freedom are now available to You, that doesn't happen when your depressed, angry, anxious, bitter and so forth!

I agree with Leo, the whole system is corrupt, he's got that absolutely correct. But his demonization of Trump is a bit overboard, he's on the edge of Hate I would say and if push comes to shove he would do drastic things to make changes, You can hear it in his tone and his recent behaviour, he's calling anyone that supports Trump dumb and stupid which they may or may not be, but they have the right to vote for whom they think is the best option.. Trump of course is Corrupt, but we all Are in various degrees, and that too is evident by the behaviour we all display here on the Forum, things get too heated when in reality nothing we say here matters and is forgotten in a week or two.. Leo is not Realized I would say, he's had great Realizations but its not an Everyday condition in his experience, most of Us are the same as well. He's still reactive to a high degree and has solid Conclusions developed about things that does not allow him to see the full Picture of Life and Reality.. The system is severely Broken People! No matter who does what, things remain the same, the Masses Suffer living Conditions that we could fix in a short amount of time, no solution they offer really helps in the End because the basic fundamentals of this System don't allow it, it only allows a Few to Make it, the others pay the price for those Few to have what we all want to have, a basic life of Meaning and Well Being, because once that is set in place then Human Beings can really Live Up to their Potential and Possibility, that's not possible the way things are now, and no one person or party can change that unless drastic Changes take Place!

Realizations are needed up until the point when they are not Needed! Its like this with Everything, You use the tool then drop it when its not needed.. When one is not Realized, they need to Realize that everything is within Themselves, when that happens then no more Realizations need to happen. just like One can Use Suffering up until the point where the Suffering is gone and then its not needed anymore, so Use Everything as a path to Liberation from this Body, Mind, Emotional Complex we are sort of stuck in, when that happens nothing is needed anymore...

Well Said.. Some ppl around here are like Monday Morning Quarter Backs, they think they know what is the right thing to do, or who is what to a very high degree of Certainty, which is a aspect of Over Confidence in one's self, which leads to Blindness... If all of You that think You know what is what, why are You not in Government or in leadership positions, maybe You are but I bet You are not... In the End we don't know what will happen, I'm not a Trump Supporter, I'm anti Establishment, I think the whole thing is corrupt, the system is broken its obvious as things are not getting better for the masses but worse, our economic system no longer works in this environment, nor does our education system or medical/health system, everything has to transform.. The only thing I do know is the Raising of Human Consciousness is the primary fix and cure for all of this...

Not really a fan of Aubrey, was following him to research him years ago... I found the video of him to be good, he seems genuine for sure, his tone did seem a bit like a Religious figure, but I know he is not one.. I basically agree with what he had to say, we are very polarized and this is due to absorbing information from bias sources with agendas, and all the sources one can find are bias, doesn't matter where it comes from, so in the end one has to look at Trump, and then make Up your own mind of what he is about, as Aubrey said he is not perfect but I don't see how a man like him, with all his already established Wealth and Fame, is a super phony and into becoming President for his own super selfish reasons, its too much hassle too much work for him to do it, so he has to have other reasons for sure. but ppl are blinded by their programed prejudice from al the Bias sources, and are not making up their own minds...

I think he is starting to really focus on the West, he's setting up another Ashram in Seatle or LA besides the one in Tennesse, and is building a Yogic City on the grounds of the Tennessee ashram, which I have been too.. He's Indian for sure, but he's brought up in Western Philosophy and Culture, he doesn't do that Indian Roll of the Head you see Indians do allot, so he's pretty Western in my book, rides motorcycles, flies helicopters, luvs speed, and such...I think he has a very big influence in the West already, he's bigger than Tony Robbins who's been at it for maybe just as long as Sadhguru has, so that says allot!

Yes, this is where the work is, ppl like James123 and other of the same thinking don't get it, if one is suffering or artifically blinded why not teach them how not to suffer or how to take off the blindfold? Its that simple, but the way they think is that its okay to suffer or be blind when its not necessary, I'll never understand that.. On the Absolute level (from which they are talking from), yes everything is perfect, but we are not living in the realm, its only a possibility Experientially, and if one is not in the Experience there are reasons and blocks as to why, we can get rid of those blocks via Sadhana so they realize the Absolute while here and Embodied..

You've had some insight naturally that is good, and via a sharp intellect and curiosity that is Intense, but putting down Practices and such as You do, it is a shame since You have not really done it, if it wasn't for these practices I would not be the person I am today I know that 100%, these sorts of things have to be experienced, You haven't.. I had this arrogance within Me in my Martial Arts career, I learned one system, mastered it and thought I knew it all, after 18yrs of this sort of thing, I took a chance and experimented with something else, that experience blew me away, I realized in an instant I didn't know that much, and it was thru methods and practices that I realized this, so it is the same here, the practices of Yoga, Buddhism, Taoism and such are very very powerful, You just have not tried it or if you did it was not the right practice for you.. someday You may venture into it, hopefully You do!

Meant for the layman, Householder.. The Avatars, Great Sages, Yogis, Mystics/Gurus and Rishis that have come and gone, they came for a reason and were not normal human beings, we all have the same Potential, but not the same Capabilities at the same time in our life spans or this incarnation, Enlightened Beings and Mystics/Gurus/Sages are not the same or equal, find out what You want out of it, then make the plan and set action to it...

Good Advice, Quality or Quantity!!

watch that video I shared on the Sadhana thread I started, the ppl in the video are long time, serious practitioners, they share some of the do's and don't.. like don't set a time limit on the practices, like above, I want to do 2-5 hrs a day, that puts automatic pressure on you, so that when you don't want to do it and you do it it messes things up,, things have to work naturally, so start with short timed practices, build up a practice where You look forward to it and while doing it its not forced, you like the feeling of it, then if You feel like putting more time and effort into it that will come naturally. When I started training in Martial Arts, I luv'd it, so training 4 or 5hrs a day was easy, I just wanted to do all the time, now I don't lol, so if I try to do that now with this feeling I won't progress at all with it!

Consciousness work/Spirituality has nothing to do with these things...

@Da77en Publicly they are conservative, this is because Sadhguru want to be accepted by the society, the more indepth courses are more progressive and aggressive actually, there's lots to discover at Isha...

He doesn't use some of the same terminology, like when mentioning Ego, he refers to it more as Identity, and he does talk about the Mind and aspect of the Mind and Freedom as well, in the Inner Engineering course, there are 7 Online Courses one goes thru, then You learn the practice Shambhavi Mahamudra, in the 7 lessons, Your learn about the mechanics of Life, which include discussion on the 5 senses and Perception, Control of Your own nature, etc.. 2nd lesson is about Desire and the processes of Desire, 3rd lesson about Responsibility and what I call Free Will, 4th lesson is about Acceptance, "This Moment is Inevitable", 5th lesson about the various dimensions of the Mind, and Karma how it functions, 6th lesson is about Sound and how Vibration makes up everything, 7th lesson is about how to Create the Life You want.. So it very indepth about practical things in life, not what about Kundalini or those sorts of things associated with Yoga and Indian Spirituality, those things are covered later on... There are other courses available and practices too, this one is the basic course but it is a path onto itself as well...

Isha/Sadhguru has already taken on this task, Sadhguru has been at for 40yrs now, he's reached some 3+Billion ppl already.. There are many others too, not on that same scale, but the problem is when too many try to do it separately then problems arise, identities and ideologies arise, separation and competition arise, it no longer is about the masses becoming more Conscious, it become about My identity with my ideology and protecting it and promoting it, as can be seen here on this forum.. Ppl think I am some sort of Sadhguru ideologue, I am not, yes I would say I am a disciple of his, only because he makes the most sense, and the system/methods he promotes work the most effectively overall. The point is it is not About Sadhguru, its about Raising the Human Consciousness, so that this world I live in is not so Crazy and Nuts and Divided and such, and that we can all live in a place that is much better, healthier and more Empowered than it is Now!

Most all of them that get to that point are Ideologue, most of us are too, and for him to want that well if he thinks it will help Humanity, what do You want him to do?? If You think his ideas about how to improve humanity do not work, but other do, then what does that say, maybe You too are an ideologue, lol, so this is a circle jerk situation.. The whole system is corrupt, nothing most anything anyone will do will change things for the masses if the system itself is broken, as massively as the ones we are using are.. So if that doesn't change it will be Status Quo for a long long time no matter who is in whatever government office in any part of the world!!

I don't think that is the case, they say the same with Bill Gates.. I don't think these types want to become Totalitarians and have that much control, its more a hassle to live that way, why would You want to put yourself into a situation where life becomes more burdensome than enjoyable, because of some sense that more control with make me happier? I don't buy into that at all.. Plus I am not projecting anything, one doesn't need to, $200 Billion is too much imo for anyone person to have, that is more than some countries GDP for fuck sake, so if that is so then him not wanting more is 99.999% a correct assessment, plus the other side of the coin could be true too, that he want to help humanity to evolve and become better for the overall masses.. The problem with all of most ppl here and all over, they are taking in data from bias sources, and guess what all "SOURCES" ARE BIAS, no matter where You get it from its Bias, and then You identify with it, and it becomes Your belief, ppl Believe Trump is the Devil Incarnate, which is not true, there are way worse Men/Humans living in the world today than him.. and other believe the exact opposite, both sides are too extreme, he's no saint, he's not the worst either. From what I see he seems to be trying to do things as he see's best, we well see what happens. but we cannot claim to know exactly what these types are about from Afar, we don't, because we are not in their shoes and know what it is like to be them...

That may be so, and before I say anything further, I am not a Trump supporter, no am I a Harris supports, I think the whole system is corrupt and it doesn't matter who is in office, nothing is working right so the Masses of ppl benefit from it! The establishment doesn't like Trump that is for sure, so I like that, plus they roasted him daily while he was president like I have never seen anyone roasted before, that shows You something.. So although I think for sure he's done some nasty things, they all do at that level, he's no Putin, and it possible all these charges and such are made up to keep him from getting where he is at now, that is how messed up this system is, the Establishment will do anything to have things stay the same,, That's my take on it, I don't know what he's done for sure, but just saying that because of these charges and such that he is this or that, well anything can be created to stop something from happening, for pete's sake they shot JFK didn't they, making up charges is nothing compared to that...

To create a space start observing Ego judging, I do this all the time as a secondary Sadhana, whenever I see someone new the ego judges, observe it, how it works, break it down to its fundamental, by doing this then a space is created between You and Ego, Observer/Observed, then via that You identify with Observer, then Acceptance of What is comes very naturally.. I view Acceptance, as well as Living Now, Responding vs Reacting, as Stress Stoppers, this flight or fight mechanism most ppl are living it stops most all Potential for a Human from happening, the Ultimate Potential is Enlightenment, but if Your in fight/flight mode Enlightenment is not an option for You, so start where You are at, baby steps eh..

lol, $200 billion what would more money buy?? He can buy virtually anything, and more power, he has all the power allowed an individual already, so where is the greed needed? He's got it all already, and how would You or I know about this, we cannot understand what it is like to have that sort of resources or responsibility, so all judgements or assumptions are false, based on nothing credible or tangible.. Your just fantasying about it based on dislike and ideology which means your more blind than most anyone...

Yes but he already drove this truck 4yrs before, he's not a stupid man to say the least, I think he knows how to drive the truck, its just other disagree with how he is driving it..that is natural, ppl don't always agree with how others do things, but its the process that is set up, to protest it violently or with massive aggression is going against the very process by which You live by, so its fighting against one's self..