Ishanga

Well at least You recognize there are "Levels" and I agree, but on this level we are in with a Body and Mind and Maya (Maya is illusion, illusion means something exists but not as You presently think it does, eg the Table is solid, but in its deepest essence it is not!) Appearance is a replacement word for this sort of reality with duality, karma, body/mind complex and matrix... Its a real as we want to make it...

I would have to disagree here... We are here to explore this Potential called "Choice", and we have Choice in the deepest ways possible, its been said that we can even choose the womb we are born into, I am not saying I believe this or disbelieve this, but its been stated, so there is an entity, a unique sort of Being, made from all the same stuff to explore this sort of Reality which is an Expression of Ultimate Potential which is also known as Absolute..

Yes starting points, we have to start where we are at right now...There are layers upon layers to this stuff, start tiny steps and see where it takes one...

Enlightenment is Rare but we all have the capability equally for the most part, yes there are those that are disabled in many areas and its not there for them, but for most we are all capable, But we live like cave men mentally and Awareness wise, still gathering, still searching outside ourselves, just different ways of doing it and the objects have changed, not fire we gather anymore we gather shit, and thoughts and ideologies...

I think in the end game we are all saying the same things really. Life is both simple and complex, layers again, and yes either being present or past/future, that is a choice, but the choice is hidden or not recognized and that is where the work is.. You talk about Mind allot, which is Good! Mind is beyond thoughts and thinking and this stuff, this stuff is society garbage feed, you have no choice of the content of it, and the capability to have this sort of Mind is Awesome, but if it is in control which it is for most ppl then that is where the problem, same with Ego or anything else, so the work is not in the realm of Absolute, Truth of Reality as we all see it which is similar, its recognizing it, which is Conscious Awareness and that is where the work/Sadhana and what all the Guru's are here to help with... Freedom is the end of suffering because Freedom means Choice, Suffering is Human created, no other life form Suffers, they feel pain I would assume since I cannot remember being a Flower or Animal, but only We Suffer, again this convo about Suffering vs Pain will come up, Pain is healthy and needed for Body/Form Survival, its like traffic lights, Suffering is not needed, so Freedom for Us Humans is choice, if You want to Suffer (I don't understand why when you have the choice available to You) You can or be Blissed Out if that is Your Choice. Now Ultimate Freedom is none of this, is back to the Absolute Realm, no Body or Mind or this or that to contend with...That is the what Moksha/LIberation is all about!

Here Sadhguru talks about Potential but allowing it too happen at the level of Your Responsibilities, for some being a Brahmacharya is appropriate as to be a Brahmacharya means You are on Self Start, Your Experience is Your Making, be it Joy or Depression, you choose, and this is the fastest way to the Divine, the other ways are dependent on social responsibility, and that is okay too.,. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0Q1MoHsT2k

Anything You ingest does not really produce the effect You feel, it rather just brings forth the Potential that is always within Us, nothing ingested can make you feel something that is not already possible to feel, you can't feel something impossible to feel... Its like when I was training and teaching in Martial Arts for 30yrs, I came to the Realization that the training at whatever art that is practiced is not really teaching You anything, it is just making You realize a certain Potential within You. There are 1000 ways to throw a punch, that are somewhat unique to one another, you learn a particular way of doing it (via certain body structures and body mechanics) then that potential is exposed within You, and express by You, that is the same with smoking weed, snorting a line of coke, or taking a hit of 5meodmt, when it comes within the boundary of Your Body, where all Experience happens, then it bring about a Certain Potential Experience that was already there but waiting to be exposed.. Now the key is if that Potential is always there, can I expose it naturally via my own Free Will? Yes of course, You can manifest any Experience You want under Your own free Will, just work at it, and then decided do I want a 5meo experience right now or a normal waking state experience right now, or Bliss/Depression Experience right now...

yes I agree on that point, its just words, we are not really talking about Truth, because it can't be talked about only experienced, but someone someday in need may come upon this place and on their present level of awareness may need to read the right words and it inspires them, plus I'm living in this world having to deal with all this unconsciousness and unenlightenement going on, its it sucks, daily having to deal with it, at least I've had some awakenings and done some work towards more Empowerment! I do wonder though if words mean nothing then why all the writing we do?? You even have your own journal on here sharing daily events and such, why if words mean nothing? And if there is a why, it must have meaning, then meaning means something so there it starts again, the circle of life playing out its game, you see??

Yes for sure agreed! Too many books, too much sharing has warped ppl into boxes again..,. There are no Enlightened/Realized ppl here, if they were that they would not be here for sure lol...just intellectual book learners for the most part, and some that have had grand experiences via pyschedelics but don't have the ground work to let it integrate and become what is really them, so it is a false knowing in a way, it can only inspire one to eventually do the real work or Sadhana and let the layers fall by the side until a real Realization happens!! This is the problem when too many have shared, made videos, books written and read, we think this is progress but actually it causes much more confusion and leads away from Truth and Reality, we don't need every tom dick and harry telling us non duality is and what it takes to get there because they smoked a joint and had an experience... That's why I share Sadhguru so much, he's living the Experience and here in this dual material karmic world, living it out in real time but playing the game Blissfully, not suffering it like Leo does, but all claim he's the real deal because of intellectual insights (Intellect and Mind are very powerful tools, but not the end of our Potential by any means!) but still suffers, this makes no sense why ppl would follow such a person..

This place is all about Mind, I come and go here, but we have minds and have to deal with it, You post and I post and everyone is still posting, and sharing it has its place, nothing wrong or good about it, its just there, space recognition is primary in this matter, it stops the identification with Mind and its monkey business...

Recognition only happens when space is there, if Your in it You cannot recognize it, only when space is there then there is recognition, now some have it more naturally but its just the beginning, The rotten eggs is just a matter of spitting it out, being in a war zone bombed everyday due to unconscious leaders hating one another over land ownership and BS like that is not a matter of spitting it out, the example is not relative enough, rotten eggs is not suffering, that is a tiny pain... I am not saying I am living in a war zone, but there are extremes (rotten eggs to war zone), I live inbetween, there is the saying that most people are living lives of quiet Desperation, that is immense suffering, and I know of it, I live it, my Mind suffers it daily but I have a space/recognition of this Mind so I can crack a joke in the middle of it with a complete stranger and wish them a Great Day at the sametime, and go on in life knowing there is more to it than quiet desperation!

How Forms where created and can be used by Us to Realize Truth of Reality and Absolute/Highest Potential!

Desire Process...

Yes the Absolute is this way, and its the essence of what makes us what we are, Life process, which indicates action. In Absolute Realm whatever that is, there is no action, here there is, so we use the Body/Mind for that purpose, but we can stay in the realization/awareness of the Absolute at all times, this makes things like the Mind easier to deal with, there is a space created or experience btwn this Absolute and Mind which messes everything up, that is the beauty of our creation and actions and such, it allows all of this too happen, its just when there is Unawareness of Absolute this thing called Suffering comes up and its not so nice...

The TV screen is akin to the Existence or Reality as it is, which is Perfect, but we as Humans have Free Will to determine and explore Potential and Experience, and the playing field (TV) is set up perfectly for us to play this game, so its a Game. Suffering it or Realizing its Truth and Potential of Perfection (Bliss) makes all the difference.. You can look at the TV turned off, or watch your favorite Movie or TV show, that makes all the difference, so its in that difference that makes Life as it is here for us to play the game of it, all Potentials are being exposed and explored so Life/Absolute can Experience itself, that makes all the difference...

I see life everywhere too, in the suffering there is a beautiful tree that is blowing in the wind or a person helping another person and so forth, but I see the opposite too, if You only see one side then it is distorted. I would say on someone level there are more ppl suffering than Blissed out or even at Peace within, so that is how it is, and it is the basic quality of One's life via either a Blissful Experience or Suffering Experience, its all Life Yes, but not an Empowered or Life of Expressed Potential, which is tragic...

This implies no action is required, since there is no where to go and nothing to get, that is how I understand it. Now the essence as I understand it as to what the bolded sentences say is Truth for sure, not saying otherwise, but its a Process of Realization, of getting to an experience of there is no where to go and nothing to get, this is Emptiness, No Thing Ness in essence and is an aspect of Enlightenment, but it has to be Experienced, if it is not then there "Is" somewhere to go and somewhere to get to lol... and if someone is not willing to go somewhere and get something then we are doomed...

All Religions came from what we call Spiritual Beings having Enlightenment Experiences, then passing it down to others for them to have the same experiences, but when this happens Humans begin to organize and compete with others then it (the Original Experiencer and passing it down to others) becomes distorted and not what it is originally for, it becomes the opposite of what it was meant for, corrupt, anti Truth anti Reality, ego dominates, separation rules, like we have today in the world...this is the result of the one's learning not being in the same state of Experience as the Original Experiencer, each one learning is slightly different in experience and understanding due to Karmic Substance and Influence, and therefore not exactly the same, so distortion is brought about because of that..

Anything You ingest does not really produce the effect You feel, it rather just brings forth the Potential that is always within Us, nothing ingested can make you feel something that is not already possible to feel, you can't feel something impossible to feel... Its like when I was training and teaching in Martial Arts for 30yrs, I came to the Realization that the training at whatever art that is practiced is not really teaching You anything, it is just making You realize a certain Potential within You. There are 1000 ways to throw a punch, that are somewhat unique to one another, you learn a particular way of doing it (via certain body structures and body mechanics) then that potential is exposed within You, and express by You, that is the same with smoking weed, snorting a line of coke, or taking a hit of 5meodmt, when it comes within the boundary of Your Body, where all Experience happens, then it bring about a Certain Potential Experience that was already there but waiting to be exposed.. Now the key is if that Potential is always there, can I expose it naturally via my own Free Will? Yes of course, You can manifest any Experience You want under Your own free Will, just work at it, and then decided do I want a 5meo experience right now or a normal waking state experience right now, or Bliss/Depression Experience right now...

The Awareness, of being always aware of the nonduality at all times, that cannot be manifested or brought about directly, it has to be the residual result or consequence of setting up the "playing field" per say, you set the atmosphere up in your own system so that Awareness is naturally arising, for eg if You truly Realize we are all one, individual Bodies and Minds yes, but that is not what we are, in what we are we are all One, if that is truly realized then Awareness comes naturally..Once that is in place, no War is possible...

He talks about how the process of Knowing Life is, how most ppl are not stable enough to really go thru the process of Knowing Life while here and embodied, and that it takes plenty of preparation work before the real work happens.. We are all layers upon layers of karma, of things that need to be worked out, but we have highly tuned up and alert but conditioned Intellects, everything on this forum is Intellectual, ppl expressing ideologies about all sorts of things, this is helpful on a tiny level only, because we are far too identified with our intellects and what we think about things, this is minor realizations, it is prep work only! The Real work sooner or later has to happen, it can kill some ppl, but it has to be done otherwise same old cycles happen, we are worse off in many ways than we were before the industrial revolution and tech revolution, we can all destroy ourselves in many more ways today than ever, but no Awareness is really present...

Your Correct but Incorrect, there is something to "Get", that is until there is Nothing to "Get", it is a circle.. Bruce Lee said "Before I learned the art, a punch was just a punch, and a kick, just a kick. After I learned the art, a punch was no longer a punch, a kick, no longer a kick. Now that I understand the art, a punch is just a punch and a kick is just a kick", Life is cyclical, the only thing is Awareness of this cycle, that is the only thing we can do as Human compared to any other life form, and that is a sort of Action, Being Aware, then the cycle shifts. Awareness is another form of Intelligence for lack of a better word, its not really a Doing, one cannot make themselves Aware, they can just fix the atmosphere or inner situation in a way that Realization of Awareness blossoms by itself, like planting a flower, other things have to happen before the flower blooms, there is no planting of seed, then flower instantly appears, so in that is a "Process" and that is where action and Doing is, creating the situation for it to happen naturally.. Lots are UnAware, and via that we have a mixed up corrupt world, systems of dysfunction and suffering for billions of ppl, something has to be done, if Nothing is or has to be done then we are doomed, we have to deal with these situations, Body and Mind and Emotions and not avoid it by saying Nothing is to be Done, no one can just do nothing for the most part, if they could then for sure things would transform, but they/we can't, so action has to happen...

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Good Post! I think his 3 pillars in the IE program of This Moment is Inevitable, This Moment is all there Is, and Response Ability is the best way to have a "Friction Free" as You say, I call it a Stress Free Life which is the foundation of any Spiritual Path, if Your always Reacting, being a Slave to outside situations, then Enlightenment is not in the cards for You! Peace and Ease have to come first, then it will happen most naturally I think!!

that's not real joy, the murders and evil ppl of this world are not in joy, they are in delusion, they feel pleasures but that is not joy for sure..they can't be, as when one is in joy they see everything is connected, everything is basically no different from them, if that is so then how can they be evil...