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Yes agreed, I was just relating it too siddhis. Ppl in the west bastardize everything from the east, with Tantra they think it is about Sex, but its about using it too transform, but ppl will use it for pleasure and when that happens the ability disappears! Its like the dark side of the Force lol!!!

You cannot be intouch with Truth/Reality and be in a Suffering state, so that is the logic I believe.. Just imagine if You did not suffer at all? I would imagine Enlightenment would happen pretty naturally for You!! Pain is different from Suffering, especially Self Suffering as is the case with the majority of ppl, they do it too themselves, reacting to life, not living life!

I did Security for 20+yrs, seen most everything one can see in that job, worked all sorts of public sites, hospitals, hotels, malls, etc... I trained in Martial arts, taught it too, since 1988, so even with all of that, when stuff was about to pop up of course Your peeked in adrenaline mode and ready to fight or flight, but luckily for Me nothing got too serious ever, lol, but when I got into Yoga and Spirituality yeah I didn't feel like I wanted to do that sort of work anymore, I felt like I was holding back for the other persons sake, not for mine, so that is dangerous, and since things out in the world are getting more messy and violent, ppl will stab You just for looking at them the wrong way, never mind being a security guard and they are drugged up or drunk and you have to deal with it, so for me I just got out of that sort of work because of all the crazy and my internal Experiences coming forth, it was a bad match up for sure.. Today You have to have more of a killer instinct feeling, Yeah You don't want to do it, but if it happens You go all out, and that is no fun to deal with, legally and otherwise!

You have a certain sort of Enlightenment look or how one should be or what Enlightenment actually is, but maybe it is slightly different for ppl.. My interpretation of Enlightenment is that it is the highest possibility and potential for someone to have as an Experience, how that is Expressed is for sure different for Everyone, as well most ppl that get to the Enlightenment Experience also physically die at the sametime, so mostly only Masters or Guru's stay around to do specific work or purpose (Many are just here to balance the Karma of the world).. For eg Eckhart Tolle IMO is not Enlightened, he's a Saint or Sage of sorts, has a teaching and shares it but is not an Enlightened Master of sorts, compared to Sadhguru or Swami Rama or someone like that...

Here's the Secret Sauce! The essence of what we all are, all Life that is, is the same, call it the soul, atman, Life Force, Source Intelligence, God, Absolute, whatever, but the essence of what all life is is the same... Our Bodies, Mind, Karmic makeups are different, via all this an individual Ego and/or Identity is formed. This gives all life, especially Humans, that sense of Separateness.. Separateness is here for Us to play the game of Life, so Absolute/God/Source can know itself, it cannot know itself if it is complete and One, in a Oneness Experience per say even though it is not Experiencing or capable of it.. all its capable of is Potential and Possibility, so that is Us here, feeling Separate from everything else, even our true self, but knowing deep down that it exists, that we are one and the same, its just a matter of How to Experience this... Don't deny the Body/Mind level of Awareness/Consciousness, it is very real, but we can Experience more than this, only Humans can experience what Absolute Is...If You deny this level of Experience, then Your falling into insanity, Your intellect/mind will try to figure it out, but it can't and that will take Your life away from You and then it starts over again once Your body dies, so don't deny it, just find out for Yourself what is what...

Spirituality comes in different forms, and it basic meaning is not about Understanding of Reality, You or anyone will not "Understand" Reality because it is too complex to Understand, once You think You understand, then something else will pop up and once again You will not Understand, its like a never ending fractal.. Spirituality is about touching that dimension of You that is beyond the physical, so what the monk are doing with their sort of Sadhana is just that, a certain way to go beyond the physical, its not too Your liking, or mine, so we call it "anti Spirituality" but if we do this, judge it, then we become blind to what it has to offer and where it leads too, so don't fall into that sort of trap of thinking You know what Spirituality is all about, none of Us do really, we know basics, thats all, Guru's are here to teach us certain things, and too be an example, there's lots of them because there are lots of ppl with varying karmic makeups and personalities/identities, that's all, in the end they are the same, with the same message, You can go beyond the Body and Mind and find out what You truly Are!

Excellent!!!!

Yes was just going to say this.. Semen is life giving force, so as you said if it is not used, and one of doing Sadhana/Spiritual practices that life giving force is used elsewhere, its like a physical representation of Kundalini, which in its most basic form is semen, as well as the basic structure of the body, which allows it too survive another day... Tantra is the sec that is known for sexual practices, but its not about sex for pleasure, its about using sex to bring about Spiritual insights, semen retention is just one of them and yes they have techniques where a Man can orgasm without ejaculation and orgasm as much as a woman could, one after another after another, since there is no release of semen one can have multiple orgasms over and over again if they master the technique, problem is if You get addicted to it, like other siddhis, the power will go away if misused...

Yes... My understanding is that there is Me, it is not the Body or Mind, so I am not identified with either, when that Happens there is a space btwn what is Me and what is not Me, so I like to say that the volume of the mind chatter or past/future rumination is not so loud for Me, it gives Me a chance to respond better with more clarity to what is NOW.. And Yes, most mental suffering is living in the past or future too much mentally/emotionally. If Your past orientated then You get bitter, angry and depressed.. Future orientation is Anxiety, Fear Experiences.. MInd is past/future orientated, So something else is NOW orientated, whatever that is is YOU!

Pain will happen, physical pain for sure, Emotional Pain is a choice.. Suffering is different from Pain, Pain comes then goes, or it should..Suffering, which is mostly Emotional in our Society today, is continued experience of Pain over and over again, this is Unconscious Action, if You make it Conscious action, then would You choose to Suffer? Probably Not!

Yes, as well as Realizing "I am not my Emotions" and that I am creating them, but mostly Unconsciously. So its just a matter of making it a Conscious Action, which is what Responding means! If You Consciously control Your Emotions, then the question is which Emotions do You want to Experience, Peace, Love, Joy, Excitement, or Bitterness, Anger, Guilt, Anxiety/Depression etc...? Also, which Emotions Empower You, Which ones disempower You?

Yes, as well as not using the language or words like "failure" or "setback", In Life there are not failures or setbacks, there are just situations... Generally we are ruled by Expectations, so we set up a goal or task/event, expect something to happen a certain way (this is living emotionally in the future, which does not exist!), then go do it and find out things did not go how we Expected.. So ppl are already setting themselves up for failure by Expectation, or living in the future emotionally... One should set goals yes, but live Now and Respond to Now as it is, then You have more Clarity and can use all Your tools, intelligence/experience etc to achieve the goal...

With the past, You either become Wounded or Wise from it, if someone experiences allot of failure and setbacks, losses if You "react" then you will probably suffer it via emotional pain (Wounded), if You respond to it likely You will become Wiser from it, so that is the choice.. If I go down a path and trip over a bump in the road, the next time I go down that path I will avoid that bump and not trip over it...

Its okay to share One's experiences in Spirituality, its okay to share what to do's and not do's, its okay to debate and such, but a balance has to be in place, and it shouldn't really affect how You feel about things basically, one will not progress down the spiritual path via participating on forums, or debating and reading stories of others experiences, it can only inspire or uninspire really.. The real work is within Your own Being and Doing... I find lots here are too into this place and they luv the drama of arguing and finding conflict, it makes their hearts beat and is ego driven!

No culture has taken it as far as India/Bharat has, they delved into Spirituality (that aspect of You/Us that is not physical in nature) more than any society ever! They have made it a precise Science (Yoga), and anyone can use it, not to just become or realize Enlightenment (don't even think of Enlightenment if You are not naturally Peaceful), but just normal Wellbeing, just doing Hatha Yoga is good for Your Health, the basic Sadhana practice improve Mental Health, and the basic philosophy and intellectual tools make Stress not possible for one who is familiar with them!! What the shamans do, in Africa and other places doesn't compare really, its not nearly as in-depth and sophisticated as Indian Spirituality imo!

This is a sign that You have fallen for the trap that Pain or Suffering HAS to be a part of Life Experience.. Yes for sure no one goes thru life without experiencing pain, most of it physical.. When it comes to Emotions, no one should be able to produce a stimulus for You to Experience Emotional Pain, since Emotions cannot be touched by anyone other than YOU. Body can be influenced by outside stimuli as it functions and interacts with the outside, Emotions are You interior barometer and are only touched by you, if You react to outside then for sure You will feel emotional pain, but if You respond then it is up to You if it is painful or not... We are this way, reactive and suffering because when in these states we spend, consume, buy and do things that we don't really need to do to either distract from Emotional pain or numb it, this is conditioned into Us via our culture which is narcissistic in nature and greedy, its all about Money and Power, a few have it and they use this tactic to control the masses. Once You take Your Power back by Responding to Life rather than reacting, then society will transform!

This is True, but You are guilty of it as well, as are all of Us that participate in this forum.. You started the thread tell all of us what we are stuck on, so that is no different from all the replies here, which proves the point, identification with ideology is rampant here.. There is a recent post on the kriya thread, how someone just got back into kriya yoga after a layoff and how the process has opened their eyes, this is real, not this ideological difference discussions that dominate this forum, it proves the level of Awareness here is not very high, even from those experienced psychedelic users that claim via the usage they are enlightened, obviously not!!

God/Absolute is like the game maker, You are the game player, God has set up thing Perfectly, it is You that has to play the game perfectly! This is all about Free Will, How You want to Experience this perfectly set up game, God has nothing to do with that aspect of it, God has set it up perfectly and that is the end of it, You have to go through it, but You have to determine if You want to go thru it Joyfully or Suffer it! The problem is You and so many others have not set this up, You don't think it is possible, so You live accidentally, going thru this perfectly set up game imperfectly via unawareness, if like a blind person walking around with no training of how to walk around safely, they learn this skill, so its a skill to walk thru this life Blissfully, You just haven't learned this skill Yet!

Everything I read here, on this forum and everywhere else, is just a story, and philosophy of sort, a concept, until it is my Experience too, so everything You sense from the outside its real, but You don't know if it is Truth, as Truth only lives within You. All You can do is Expand Yourself endlessly too include everything as You, then it is not longer a story to hear, because it is not coming from the sense of hearing it, or reading/watching with the eyes or feeling it with a touch, rather its an Experiential Inclusion via a sense that is not one of the 5 normal senses...

I don't buy into this because the majority our self suffering! Yes while being Tortured I would not appear to be "Enlightened" but that is not the case, I am not being Tortured daily and I do suffer, but my suffering is minimalized because I am on an Enlightenment path, while most are not, they are living in paradises (just see any celeb, they are living a life in paradise, expressing their creative talent, making tons of money, lots of relationships, lots of admiration and recognition for them and their accomplishments, lots of travel, but they suffer allot!), so that is self suffering which come via Unconsciousness or UnAwareness of what is... The problem is ppl do not really have problems, a real problem is living in Gaza, or Syria or some other war torn, place like Haiti, they have an Excuse for Suffering, and even in those places I bet there are some not suffering, Pain and Suffering are not the samething, You will feel Pain while in Enlightened States, but You won't Suffer, normal ppl suffer after prolonged pain, and most ppl are not being tortured daily or living in war torn places...

Everybody is stuck on the samethings, and its seen in most every thread here now, Ideological Identification, as well as Logically trying to understand Reality.. As I've said before here, nothing written here is Truth, its just a bunch of stories and personal experiences being expressed, but readers get identified with it via belief, they like what they read, identify with it, then argue about it with others, this is anti Truth! Real Truth is just the Experience.. Everything is Experience, no Experience is an Experience, as is every other sense organ input and otherwise... Only question is are You Enjoying it, or Suffering it, answer that question then You know where Your at..The Smart/Wise Person Enjoys it, the dumb/unwise Suffer it...

Ego embraces Your Identity, Opinions/Beliefs, Personality, and allows a Sense of Separation (this is important for Spirituality to exist!).. The Death of Ego means Your Identity is gone, and so is the sense of Separation, Your Experience of that of Completeness and Connection to Everything, but Your Intellect is still intact, Your Personality is there, but You choose when to use it, it doesn't Use You! Enlightenment is the highest Potential for a Human Being to Exist in Experiencially, its all of the above, but the Energies within are super Intense all the time, Your very Present Moment Aware, Peace and Bliss are always there in the background and can be as intense as You want it too be.. Your relatively Healthy, Compassion and Love (including others as Yourself) are natural to You, You dislike only the Actions of the person or thing, not the person or thing itself! You play this Human Game, deal with all situations with openness and clarity, your not a know it all, but are curious about a bunch of things... This is the last Incarnation, no more body/mind complexes to go into again, you merge with Absolute, no individuality anymore!

What he says is true... Living the life I live, everything seems fake or stupid.. I work for an International Corporation, well known, they teach our managers to seem to care, but they don't really because their too busy trying to keep their heads above water, their just like us the front line workers, but they have more say and power, and they don't understand the frontline worker really, even if they used to be one.. This corporation, they make changes, without frontline consultations, which in the end always always makes my/our lives harder, and this process happens weekly, they make a change and inevitably is that my work life is now harder.. All to save money in the end and increase stock market rates and shareholder returns, which is the elite benefitting off my work and doing nothing for it... Governments are no different, each and every politician is out for themselves, thinking "How can I stay in my position of Power and Prestige for as long as I can" at the expense of the avg person paying more and more tax, inflation, and aggravation just to live another day, its all a big scam where ever you look, our society is elite based, the majority get nothing out of it other than another day of torture to endure.. What pains me the most is that we could do and be so much more, its such a Narcissistic society, the best thing that could happen is a total reset, nature will take us all out maybe or we will, and a reset will happen, hopefully more Conscious People are left behind to rebuild and make it much better than it is today!

No I'm not young, 50+.. My problem with Society and what I see daily, for me its just sad to see, not sad emotionally, I don't go home and cry over it, its just a sad state of affairs that's all, the only thing that gets me hot is traffic jams lol, since I drive allot at my work and traffic here is nuts... I don't really buy into life purpose stuff, I've done many things in my life, taught Martial Art professionally, Private Investigation work, Security Work, and many more things, so I've experienced allot already, so much so that what turns most ppl on doesn't for Me, so since i've been into Yoga and Spirituality my main goal is Enlightenment within this lifetime, maybe it will happen, maybe not, but I have normal responsibilities with family and such, so life is pretty good, I just have high standards and think we could be doing much better as a Society and Humanity than we are:)

I would agree with what is shared in the short video... Karma could be likened to Software, its the Conditioning, the Tendencies and Habits, all the stored memory (not just in Your head, think of all the data/memory in Your DNA), and how it is affecting Your right Now Experience, it is Affecting it 10,000%, virtually no one is immune to this process. Karma is present in all things in creation, both living and non living things, if Karma was not a real thing, then there would be no Existence, no Creation, no Forum, no computer, no internet, nothing would exist, because Karma is present, Existence/Reality Exists! Only Humans can live and go beyond Karma, the easiest way I think is to live Absolutely NOW, if Your totally in the Moment, then Karma has no effect on You, problem is can You keep this up Moment by Moment?? It's been said that once You dissolve Your Karma, You are Liberated, and at that exact moment You drop the Body, it is because of Karma that You have a bond with Your Body and Mind (identifications and strong attachments), if all of that is dissolved what is You no longer stays with the Body, and therefore Physical Death happens at the same moment that all Your Karma is dissolved or completed.. So be weary of this process!!!