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@Ulax Around 1000 approaches should be enough to see very promising results. Leo slept with a 9/10 woman after 450 approaches.

@Leo Gura Is maintaining a hot girl harder than attracting her? I'm trying to figure out how much work and effort the maintenance phase requires.

@Xonas Pitfall I think you're making this way too complicated. First off, the idea that attraction has changed throughout history is nonsense. It's not even reasonable to compare how mating worked 100 years ago with how it works now. Now is actually the best time to analyze female psychology and how women select mates, simply because this is the first time ever in human history where dating is a market, where men and women are basically shopping around. The qualities and traits that women find attractive are the same, regardless of culture or the time we're living in. We've kind of moved from socialism to capitalism in dating. In the 1950s, it was much more regulated, with stronger social norms and family involvement limiting people's choices. Today, dating is far more open and market-driven. In many ways, the 1950s were more comparable to how dating works in countries like India or Pakistan today. It's only been in the last 40 years or so that men have started to discover what truly attracts women. Postmodernist and pluralistic views aren't going to work when it comes to mating, simply because it's so essential to our survival. I'm not saying there's no value in those perspectives, but if we want to solve the current dating challenges we men are facing, pragmatism is absolutely necessary.

Exactly. Especially when the objective is to date above average women.

@Hojo Most relationships operate in this way to a large degree.

There are two main components of relativity. In this context, I'm referring to the dependency component. For example, for someone to be considered tall, there must be someone who is shorter. If everyone were the same height, then concepts like "tall" and "short" wouldn't exist.

@Ulax For me, the meds had the opposite effect lol. I take 90 mg of Vyvanse, and I become really introverted. The dry mouth also makes it hard for me to speak. But yes, being emotionally ungrounded makes it very difficult. Getting rejected feels much worse than it does for neurotypical people, especially considering the strong correlation between RSD and ADHD. To be honest, it's kind of sad that these aspects haven't been taken into account to a greater extent.

Okay. What is the truth, then?

@Ulax Not really related to the thread, but is it harder to do pick up with ADHD? What's your take on that?

@Leo Gura Thank you for the clarification!

Not long ago, Leo claimed on his blog that Epstein was killed because he was allegedly involved in arms dealing, etc. However, there is absolutely no evidence that he was killed, and thus I see no difference between Leo’s analysis and the typical Alex Jones–style speculation in this regard. And as most of you know, Leo is heavily against conspiracy theories. Or did I miss something?

@Optimized Life Where is the evidence?

No, because he can read people’s character in seconds, like an X-ray. His ‘intuition’ is so powerful that he can ‘sense’ what’s happening on Saturn.

But Leo, in your Spiral Dynamics Stage Red video, you seemed to praise this guy. Will we see you praising him again in five years?

@Lila9 Also, if a woman is an 8 or above in terms of looks, she has more privileges than the majority of men do. Pretty much in all areas of life. It’s quite concerning to be blinded by an ideology to the point where you’re unable to see some basic facts in this day and age.

@Rafael Thundercat Lol, doesn't seem like a very powerful personal development tool.

@Leo Gura What’s mind-blowing here is that back in 2014, your dating advice was full of positivity, hope and positive energy. For example, in your video called “How to Make a Girl Fall in Love with You” from 2014, you literally said, “Girls are attracted to personality, not looks…” with a big smile on your face. What happened, bro? Sure, people change their opinions and views, but it’s still rare for an evangelical to become a stage green hippie in 12 years.

Agreed.

What I mean is that he's way above average in all areas of self-help, personal development, and life in general. About 14 years ago, he started approaching thousands of women over a period of two years. Hell, I'm usually too scared to even do ten approaches in a month. So what if he's bald? Being 6'2" and having well-developed charisma and social skills makes baldness pretty meaningless.

Lolz. As far as I know, Russian girls aren’t usually his type. It’s a big mistake to try to predict Leo’s behavior as if he were an average person.

Sure. However, Leo has extremely high standards, according to his own words.

@Leo Gura But were those simple good girls 8s or above? It's quite diffficult to get 8s, 9s and 10s without playing the status game. Also, girls at this level tend to require status and social position during the relationship, in the maintanance phase.

@Cred Is ADHD considered ND?

Also, it was 3 or more years ago when he said that a woman should be at least 25. He was giving advice to a dude that was dating a 19-year-old.

@EmeraldDid you know that @Leo Guramentioned in his How to get laid videod that we men should aim to approach 3000 in a year, and MAYBE we will get 3-10 lays.