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You mean relative to porn?

Thanks, but I don't need to jerk off every day to "master my sex life".

Wtf happened, how could he have said that and now not believe it. Actually I'm stunned.

It's definitely, absolutely a backward step to have realized how bad porn is and then go nah, actually, jack off all the time, fuck up your dopamine receptors, why not

I can wrap my head around a random consumer in society, a non spiritual person thinking porn is no big deal and isn't damaging. It's still a bit difficult for me to wrap my head around the fact that some people who think alcohol, weed, video games, internet addiction, social media are all bad, who have studied many spiritual traditions, who have an understanding of dopamine and brain science... I'm still kinda unsure how some people out there that fit this description still don't recognize porn is really terrible.

People who say porn is not damaging are going to look like the people who said cigarettes aren't damaging - eventually the evidence will become so undeniable and there will be so many cases of extreme damage due to porn (like the video I linked above that you ignored) that only absolutely hopelessly addicted in-denial people will still say porn is not damaging.

I'd say this is relevant too: https://www.manual.co/health-centre/erectile-dysfunction/porn-induced "The truth is that higher numbers of young men seem to be experiencing erectile dysfunction – with around one in four new ED patients now under 40 years old. To begin with, one 2011 Italian study of 28,000 participants looked at the role of porn use on male attitudes to sex. It found evidence that high porn consumption can cause low libido in young men – and, ultimately, an inability to get an erection. Similarly, a review with clinical reports investigating the neuroscience behind the link between sexual dysfunction and pornography considered a range of medical theories into the phenomenon of PIED. It speculated on pornography’s impact on dopamine levels – and suggested that pornography’s hyper-stimulating quality triggers incredibly high levels of dopamine. In this way, it becomes addictive, but also makes real sexual experiences feel a little underwhelming. Finally, one sensational 2014 study found a possible link between the number of hours of porn watched and a reduced quantity of grey matter in the sections of the brain associated with sexual stimulation."

I'm not saying everyone who watches porn will end up like this, but let's be real, without internet porn, this person could not have been possible:

So now you jack off to porn and feel better?

Literally never had that happen nor ever heard of it happening.

Maybe because when you go up to a girl solo, she doesn't see any social proof. If you are a well-liked member of a group and approach women within that, surely it's better odds?

What techniques do you use to divert your attention elsewhere?

Am I missing something, why did you quote your own posts that you already said?

I haven't fully understood the spiral dynamic stuff yet, but hasn't Leo left stage green yet still thinks this?

This is totally true and I can also that I think dating apps for those recovering for porn, while at first the man can think "oh, I'm leaving porn behind and trying to find a real woman" - the constant feed of new and novel girls on the apps feels a lot like porn used to and to those men (including myself) I suggest trying to meet women through approach in real life instead. I know this is a bit of a change of topic, but hope it makes sense.

Do you think it's innate that some people just get bigger dopamine rushes with sexuality and therefore have more likelihood toward getting addicted? What causes such variance?

I suppose I agree, being a fuckboy is not good either.

This is a fun post, I am entertained, but I don't know if I understood it

Thanks, I appreciate the response.

Could you please break that up into paragraphs? People will be more likely to not dismiss it immediately, which I already sense people doing.

Yea, I have to say, it's REALLY surprising. Almost every spiritual traditional that Leo has an entire video on advises against lust and has people in it that practice celibacy. Really confused but maybe his mind can change in time.

What does that mean?

This explains it all pretty well: https://andreian.com/nofap-flatline/#:~:text=The Nofap flatline is a,while quitting masturbation and pornography.

Dismissing all peer-reviewed research on porn related topics as bro-science seems unfair, pretty sure the links here are actual science https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/ybop-articles-on-porn-addiction-porn-induced-problems/effects-of-porn-on-the-user/porn-recovery-and-the-mysterious-flatline-2013/

Agreed 100%.