Francis777

In general 5 meo is considered a much more powerful experience than dmt at similar doses. Of courses there are anomaly’s where that’s not accurate.

Why is that? Considering 5- Meo is more potent. is it because DMT shows you such a broad spectrum of consciousness, like being able to see a million different shades in the color spectrum all at once. So there’s so much more beauty to appreciate and thus the realisation of love potentiates. as appose to 5 meo just showing you that you are all light, but not displaying the unlimited distinctions you can make within it?

your egos just decided that its wanting to stop.

ok I get that, so is this another way of putting it, the ramifications of pure love are as if you could take an infinite amount of MDMA and you never could never overdose and you could never build tolerance and the effects never wear off. I'm not saying you don't come down from pure love, just in this scenario. So say you start with 1gram dose in one go, and your writhing around in bliss, then you take a further 5 grams and now the feeling of love is so overwhelming that you can no longer move just your finger or even your eyes. Then a further 10 grams at which point the love is so powerful that its completely disintegrated all ego mind and your not even strong enough to produce a single thought like love is the sun and a thought is a droplet of water a metre from the suns surface which evaporates in less than a nanosecond. Now you take a further 50 grams, the love is so strong that your body is involuntarily convulsing and the feeling is so overwhelming that it feels like your body is being struck by lightning from a thousand thunderstorms simultaneously. The love is so pure and so powerful that its turned into a torture beyond any fathomable conception, so unbearable that you turn to the only option you've got left. You kill yourself. Is this the ramifications of LOVE? (I was also going to write that the love is so intense that you've completely forgotten all memory, all consensus reality has disintegrated, you forget that that you ever imagined anything (I don't mean realising that everything you knew was actually imaginary, but that consciousness never imagined anything at all). Your mind has turned into an uncontrollable rollercoaster of insanity that is going so fast that nothing can ever slow it down and continues on for eternity) Not sure about this bit, let me know if I've gone off topic to the essence of love that I described with the analogy.

was the terrifying "horror movie" like having extremely unsettling realisations like what love really means, is imagining the murder and rape of a thousand babies and then completely embodying, feeling every single ounce of fear and complete and utter torturous pain, and realising what it means to love is to completely bask in that torture and find complete and utter blissful satisfaction in every bit of hell that those babies are going, listening to their screams as if its the most sweetest lullaby you've ever heard, appreciating it as much as two people that could not be more deeply in love at the peak of their honeymoon, was it realisations to that sort of degree? jheese that was hard to even type

your desire to exist as one I think if you do reach these levels of consciousness you might realise that there's no good reason why you should carry on trying to be one

The closemindedness on this forum shocks me, when I joined this forum I expected serious people. But majority of you guys shunt understanding at every turn, its very clear where your priorities are. which is fine, however the amount the amount of dishonesty with yourselves about what your genuine intentions are makes my blood boil.

its crazy man, like lighten up a bit

@Leo Gura yeah, got you

Getting sick of these mods, @Leo Gura I’ve just received a warning for trolling, gaslighting, provoking and whatever for saying “one that doesn’t mind a finger up his ass” as a joke, because most guys do mind and therefore would be a testament to a real man for not being insecure and confident enough to explore this part of their sexuality. Could you have a word please, this is a complete overreaction and abuse of power, what’s even the point in this forum besides the obvious, if we can’t even joke around and have a laugh with each other? the mod was @NoSelfSelf

@Leo Gura, when you say that your baseline consciousness doesn't really ever increase that much. Do you mean that people have confused re-contextualising their perception of reality with the insights they've realised while actually in higher states of consciousness either through psychedelics or any other practise, like meditation or yoga with a sustained expanse in consciousness? When actually their level baseline state of consciousness is pretty much the same its just now they've filled it with more truthful awakened content. Like they've swapped out the lens that they perceive reality through to a more truthful one, more accurate to how reality actually is. But there hasn't actually been a sustained expanded level of consciousness that they now live from? Because the ego is designed to automatically reimpose limits the second you stop the practise which dissolves the limits, like struggling to hold your focus in a meditation, or the molecule of whatever psychedelic being transported out of your synapses as you come down?

Don’t take trip killers, you’ll miss out on your greatest lessons, at least not on a normal dose like this.

Direct consciousness cannot be taught, only pointed at in hopes that you see it yourself

maybe just keep the post open and write bullet points before you submit until you can figure out exactly what your trying to say. Because i cant understand a single thing in that message either. more productive that way as then we can give you genuine replies

actually yeah, the more you look at them, they are the exact same pattern as the Fibonacci sequence, just so happens to look like a 6 from that angle. They're spirals

i dont think there meant to represent 666, i think there to represent infinity being spirals, like ying and yang. not numbers

Good explanation, it’s the same as purging through any other selfish motives, whether it’s from abusing your increased awareness you may or may not have developed or stealing from someone. It’s selfish intentions just now you abuse the advantage of increased consciousness.

I reached this conclusion on my own, but since you brought it up let’s do that, let Leo ratify my understanding of the conclusion, and see if he thinks I’m merely parroting him.

I have no idea how you can read my original post regarding enlightenment being illusory, and then proceed to think that I’m calling myself/think of myself as enlightened, your idiocy is beyond me. Your comment makes NO sense your clearly not even reading my posts, as such why even bother replying to them.

none of my prior comments have been to insult or troll anyone, quote me exactly where I'm trolling, you cant because your just whining like a child

you don't have the capacity to understand it because your not conscious enough. I don't give a shit if you think I'm arrogant, I know that the truth that I do know, is accurate.

because I have, therefore its clear to me that you haven't.

there is no appearance in a non dual state, you will not understand me till you experience it for yourself, this is free for anyone to experience do not take my word for it. An awakened view of the boundaries in consciousness being illusory is not the same as experiencing a full non dual state.

You have never had a non-dual experience, you do not realise the LITERALNESS of a non dual state, your completely wrapped up in the concept of it. THERE IS NO DISTINCT REALITY IN A NON DUAL STATE. There is nothing to observe! Nothing to admire! My friend a word of advice if I may, you are so far deluded and misguided in your own concepts that its hard to even make sense of the messages that you post on here. It is very clear that you have no little to no comprehension of what direct consciousness is. My suggestion is that you take some psychedelics, solely with the direct intention to experience one of these states, COMPLETELY FREE of any ASSUMPTION that you have of it, what you think it is, what is might be and so on. Not even to have the complete breakthrough state, just even to have a little taste of TRUE direct consciousness would be enough for you to start questioning the structure of this conceptual mountain of bullshit your currently working off of, it would save you a tonne of time and hopefully stop you wrapping yourself up even further in the giant conceptual web that your currently in. Provided that you have a genuine desire to become more consciousness. I'll just say it again mate, I didn't write this with any intention to condescend or demean, or to make you feel bad about yourself. I can just see that getting massively stuck up on this, solely because I don't believe you've had a genuine realisation into the nature of direct consciousness, and your not going progress any further down this path without it. of course your free to do what you like, but I really think this is what you need to be focusing on. Hope you receive this in the positive light I sent it in.

I think the point should be made that what many consider to be a complete breakthrough "enlightenment experience" which is a NON DUAL experience. (refrain from thinking about god for a minute I'm not talking about a breakthrough to becoming THE SELF as infinity, but NO self, the traditional Buddhist samadhi state) IS achievable and a definitive experience you can have, HOWEVER once you come down out of the non dual state and the ego start to mould back into place, the idea that you are now "enlightened" and "living an enlightened life" is utter horseshit. Its no different from identifying with a culture, or identifying as a Nazi, a scientist, or a hippie. Its all bullshit that your self concocting and projecting, its not grounded in anything and saying that you are now "enlightened" and live an enlightened life is no difference from saying that you live the life of a poor beggar, or a school kid or a gangster. THE ONLY ENLIGHTENED LIFE THERE IS, IS THE ONE YOUR DREAMING UP. You haven't broken out of the the illusion of "normal life" or regular day to day living and am now liberated, YOU'VE JUST CHANGED THE CONTENTS OF THE ILLUSION.