Eskilon

I want to explore this topic in depth. Keep in mind that I wouldn’t say I am awake, that life is a dream(like I am in a lucid dream, I would presume that's what awakening is), so that’s the understanding that I am coming from. What is intelligence? A person can be an intellectual but that doesn't necessarily mean he is automatically intelligent – You definitely wont say every intellectual is actually intelligent I dont think. It seems to me that intellect has intelligence in it, but intelligence doesn’t necessarily have intellect. Intelligence seems to belong to something bigger while intellect belongs to the human mind, this 3d reality and thinking specifically. But then what is actually intelligence?? When you look at nature you definitely can’t deny its intelligence: the order of it, the balance, the self-regulation, it is intelligent, but what is it? What is the substance of that?? One thing that I noticed while reading the forum and contemplating by myself, is that intelligence is never really on the current layer of reality but on the meta-layer. A computer is not really intelligent, the intelligence comes from its inventors. Same thing with you and your body's internal workings, you have no idea how to balance your body or how it really works on the atomic level, you couldn't do it if that job was assigned to you– the intelligence is coming from a meta layer, you could say the universe. And so on and so on,it seems that intelligence goes upwards in an infinite regress, never having a definitive starting point. Intelligence is nowhere to be found, and it seems to be a spontaneous “thing”, like a form of spontaneous knowing or understanding? Could this be what magic is? Intelligence = spontaneous magic? —----------------------------------------------- When you listen to Leo or read some trip reports here or elsewhere, you usually hear something like “I am infinitely conscious” and sometimes they will also say this also “I am infinitely intelligent”. Does this have to be absolutely linked? When you are absolutely conscious you MUST be absolutely intelligent? Can you be infinitely intelligent without being infinitely conscious? Also, when you are infinitely conscious you don't necessarily know how to conjure a planet out of your ass… or do you?? Do you know the deep mechanics of how a planet or something like water is formed? Does being infinitely conscious mean you can do more things and understand how things work on the atomic level? If so I dont think consciousness and intelligence can be separated but they are also not the same thing? In life you meet intelligent people(engineers, doctors, philosophers), but you wouldn't say they are really conscious or have some deep wisdom. How is this possible? How can someone be intelligent but not have that much consciousness? I think an updated video on intelligence would be really nice @Leo Gura

Cool shit. I used to play fighting games competitively too: Tekken, SF, Anime fgs.

Do you still think that beings that accomplished such a feat as interplanetary travel and galaxy travel would still be playing this imperialistic and power hungry games? Wouldn't this self-deception vanish in light of such development? I find it hard to believe that somebody can be that advanced and still be that self-deceived and selfish. But hey, if someone can construct that condition it is God lol. God probably fantasized about that at some point so it might exist

If you are introverted, you need less socialization. If you need less socialization, you need less money and status too. Haven't you noticed that people that enjoy loads of money are usually social and status zombies? Their whole game is: impressing others, chasing titles and going places; and of course this needs loads of money to maintain. If one values wisdom, intelligence, and beauty, you usually wont be socializing much like most of humanity; and I think a lot of people here do value this things. Most learning happens when you are sitting in a room by yourself, while looking at a book or some screen. Want to write a cool story? You will be in a room. Want to learn a new instrument and create music? You will be in a room. Want to create a new game? You will be in a a room. You wont be learning by leaps and bound by being a social zombie or chasing status. The path of wisdom is a interior path, not a exterior one, at least it has been this way since the dawn of civilization. A important question one can ask is: How much socialization do I need? Which in turn will usually tell how much money and status you will need to have a happy life.

If aliens exist could this be the reason why they don`t show up in mass? I think that event too would break the consistency of the dream... too many paradigms shattered and created in an instant lmao

https://www.actualized.org/insights/it-was-all-just-a-dream This is so true. Humans cling to stakes and meaning so fucking much. They want a narrative, legacy, position. They can`t live without it. People want stuff to matter like crazy, cant handle things being a dream.

Because Death exists. All impact is ultimately meaningless. The point of life is to enjoy whatever you enjoy doing, wheter you enjoy having an impact on humanity or not is irrelevant. Do whatever you enjoy doing is what matters. Some people want a lot of money and status and thats okay, but others do not. No one option is superior than the other because Death exist. Whatever your impact is it wont persist because everything changes, so dont kid yourself thinking youre too important or more important than others because you choose to be a CEO or something. Do whatever you enjoy. Life is a play, nothing is really important as people tell you.

I guess the final answer is that our ego is absolutely inevitable. God didn't choose this in a particular sense, it just need to happen no matter what. Every finitude must exist exactly as it is. Another way of saying is that God cant prevent itself from being limited.

You play figthing games competitively?

Yes, I can see that. But you said being finite is more valuable than being infinite --- I don't think this is necessarily true. If reality is infinite, as far as I can tell right now, it is a mystery on why it drops out of infinite state to the finite. You can say to know, but if it were infinite in the first place it already knew, why did it forget??? To know again??

This makes no sense. The whole Buddhism idea is to stop hoping from body to body and be in bliss forever. I am not saying necessarily that Buddhism is true, but it does make more sense than what you said(no offense).

But why, why would GOD trade infinite orgasm for a human life?

How can I do it while in the wake state? Is that the realm of siddhis？ The reason we taling heads can`t realize our desires in an instant is because this is not supposed to happen in this reality? And the reason that is not supposed to happen is because this current configuration of reality must exist the way it does as part of absolute infinity(every possibility)?

So you did experience the power of creating planets, galaxies and universes?? And then dropped out of it? You were functionally all knowing and intelligent ? You knew every language that existed, exists and will exists?

@LastThursday By that logic non-existence exists because it is the opposite of existence. But that is false, only existence exists, theres no contrast even though it appears so because we are using language. Consciousness and intelligence seems to be fused together so theres nothing that is unintelligent if reality is consciousness.

I makes sense too. But my view now is that there's not really anything unintelligent, just less intelligent but still intelligent. Intelligence seems to be always present, the question is only about "how much".

This is a good take. But I don't think intelligence is limited to coherence. It must include absolute decoherence. Total chaos must be there.

@Joshe I think this is the topic of omniscience. People say they do know everything, but not every micro thing. They claim omniscience is mostly a macro understanding, not a micro one. So I don't think they will magically solve any equation or know all the languages in the world fluently. But this puzzling because to me ominiscience includes both the macro AND the micro. But what do I know... Never experienced so I cant comment.

I see. I want to merge. I will work on this.

You are right, that's a jump. I still dont know that. Beautifully put. I think conciousness and intelligence is a marriage made in heaven, they can't be put apart. Although consciouness(if it is existence) is the only thing that seems to survive all conditions. Even the condition where theres no intelligence. I still need to realize most of the stuff talked here, some I understand intelectually but not at the undeniable level, which I think is at the level of being.

Me? Its true that I cant find myself in any specific place, but that realization is not profound yet like the recognition in a dream...

That's the thing, I can see that there's no difference between my life and my dreams at night. However, this is not at the level of knowing, its at the level of the intellect, it makes sense, but is not undeniable beyond a shadow of doubt. When you suddenly become lucid at your nightly dreams theres a deep, deep knowing that that shit isnt real, its not at the level of thinking or making sense, you just know and it is undeniable(and also only you know no other dream character know, they will even act scared if you tell them lol). I havent been able to do this with this dream(life) yet, if it is indeed a dream...

Good analogy, it makes sense.

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